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mudpaws

2 months, 1 week ago

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ummmm ?__?

RoareyRaccoon

2 months, 1 week ago

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@ mudpaws

English would be nice XP.

mudpaws

2 months, 1 week ago

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@ RoareyRaccoon

i say old man waots this all aboot ... LOL

RoareyRaccoon

2 months, 1 week ago

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@ mudpaws

The video is for that XP.

mudpaws

2 months, 1 week ago

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@ RoareyRaccoon

M'kay ,, pip pip and all that sorta rot :3......

mobkiller

2 months, 1 week ago

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I'll admit, for me DEI was always a latin word which means of god/from god
Which is the reason I was thoroughly confused whenever I heard people referring to it xD

moyomongoose

2 months, 1 week ago

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Diversity, equity and inclusion should be applied as the name of the movement implies, and not as a means to punish any one or more select ethnic groups.
I'm old enough to remember the days of discrimination we've occasionally experienced when my family immigrated here to the U.S. in the year 1960.
Now I realize I'll be called "Uncle Thomas" for pointing this out...But let me tell anyone out there, I will be among the first to advocate that discriminating against you white folks (I presume, Roary, you are white) doesn't undo the discrimination of 60 years ago. If we discriminate against you all for the actions of your grandparents, that would make us no better than the past generations of white folks who discriminated against our past generations. Any discrimination is wrong.
And if I'm ever offered reparations, I'd tell you that money is yours. I didn't earn it. And you are most likely not someone who robbed it from us.

I'm not into the crying victim thing. There are so many opportunities to strive for to waste life playing that game. And anyone out there who is still practicing discrimination to this day should be severely punished, regardless what colour he or she is...There is white in my mom's side of the family by the way, so I'm not about to demonize relatives on my mom's side of the family.

This is the first time on this site I've expressed my views to this extent on this matter. And I realize there are those who have already labeled me an Uncle Thomas a long time ago...But hey, I wear that badge proudly.

The way man in the video presemted himself may have come off sounding like he could be a white supremacist. That doesn't do a situation like this much good either. Of course I only listened to the first minute of it.

moyomongoose

RoareyRaccoon

2 months, 1 week ago

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@ moyomongoose

If you think a Scottish comedian making jokes alongside stating facts could come across as white supremacist, I do wonder to whom you refer.
Frankly, anyone drawing such a conclusion would be so utterly stupid and ideologically possessed that their opinion isn't worthy of consideration. Tailoring ones speech to try and appease bastards who are actively looking for any excuse to label you as something fucked up is never to be encouraged. Fuck them and their idiocy.

There's no proper application of DEI either, having quotas is socialist filth to begin with and we've already had laws against discriminatory practices for decades, so we don't need departments in every institution to specifically focus on this pointless bollocks.

moyomongoose

2 months, 1 week ago

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@ RoareyRaccoon

Though I have listened to only a minute of the video. I'll have time to play it in it's entirety tonight.

RoareyRaccoon

2 months, 1 week ago

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@ moyomongoose

I don't think that matters. What DOES matter is the concept a white guy needs to watch his tone, because he's white. I reject that outright.

moyomongoose

2 months, 1 week ago

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@ RoareyRaccoon

100% agreed.
For that matter, no one should have have to watch their tone because of who they are.
And on the flipside, everyone should have respect for others as well...It's called courtesy.

RoareyRaccoon

2 months, 1 week ago

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@ moyomongoose

As a general approach to manners sure, but true respect is earned, always. Nobody can be compelled to respect someone, but they can be compelled to pretend they respect someone. I don't respect a great number of people, for the ideology they follow or their actions. It's best to know who someone is before you respect them XP.

UrianKitsune

2 months, 1 week ago

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@ moyomongoose

" Any discrimination is wrong." I beg to differ. Muderers, kidnappers, thieves, rapists, etc. etc. etc, are sensible things to discriminate against. A culture that views your own as an enemy and seeks to destroy you is something that absolutely should be discriminated against. Some people NEED to be discriminated against. Ideologies and any person that supports them that are hostile to you NEED to be discriminated against. Stop telling people they need to tolerate their own destruction.

In addition, we've had enough of "white supremacists bad! everyone else good!" shit from all of you. It's a manipulative, divisive, and insulting to an entire race of people. You should be ashamed of yourself for that.

moyomongoose

2 months, 1 week ago

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@ UrianKitsune

To set straight the misunderstanding, intolerance against murders, thieves, rapists, kidnappers, etc., does not fall under the description of discrimination.
Discrimination is when an entire ethnic group is treated with intolerance based only on their ethnicity.
Profiling is when an entire ethnic group is treated with intolerance based only on the malice actions or others who happen to be of their same ethnicity.
So when I said all discrimination is wrong, the consequences that murders, thieves, rapists, kidnappers, etc. receive for their actions is just and right, and does not in any way qualify as discrimination. Those who do evil bring it on themselves. When someone has done something to deserve intolerance, that intolerance is not discrimination.

I'll place an example here.
Let's suppose Allen had finished a 5 year prison sentence he served for robbing a liquor store. After Allen is released from prison, he wants to purchase a gun.
When the white owner of the gun shop refuses to sell a gun to Allen, that is not discrimination. After all, someone who behaves like Allen does should not have a gun.
However, If I walked into that same gun shop wanting to purchase a gun, and the white gun shop owner told me, "Sorry. I won't sell a gun to you because someone of your race robbed the liquor store up the street 5 years ago", that would be discrimination. Especially considering I am not a convicted felon, and have not been deemed mentally incompetent.

You had mentioned;

"	In addition, we've had enough of "white supremacists bad! everyone else good!" shit from all of you.

To also set the record straight, that is a rhetoric I do not buy into and never have bought into it. There are some who I know that do, but I don't.
Black militant hate groups and white supremacist groups are both a bad thing, with the colours of their members being the only thing different.
Malcon X' Black Panthers and the KKK are no better than the other...both hatched from the pits of Hell. And all that kind of hate divides a nation and drags it down like a divided house. A divided house can not stand and will someday fall...Hate destroys nations.

UrianKitsune

2 months, 1 week ago

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@ moyomongoose

If you have to set your record straight that means you're being disingenuous, at the very least in my eye, so say what you mean and mean what you say.

No, it's not rhetoric, and just to refresh myself I went and read it's definition. I think you might want to do the same, bud.

You apply motive to what I said that isn't there and so you've entirely missed the point. There's no advocacy in my comment, as I'm pointing out hypocrisy plain as day, and you'd notice that if you weren't programmed to go onto the defensive when anyone mention's the left's great boogey-man. If you can't discuss these difficult topics without virtue-signaling and posturing in the process then you shouldn't be in the conversation.

I will politely ask that you kindly not misrepresent my statements going forward.

moyomongoose

2 months, 1 week ago

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@ UrianKitsune

I do tend to come off as being disingenuous at times.

It's actually due to sometimes lacking a coordinated command of language skills and text structure rather than trying to be disingenuous.

UrianKitsune

2 months, 1 week ago

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@ moyomongoose

Takes someone of character to admit to mistakes or fumbles. Much respect.

UrianKitsune

2 months, 1 week ago

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@ moyomongoose

I'd say your use of language overall is quite exceptional. Nuances of text based communications are a hurtle for us all I'd wager. Also, I'm clearly an asshole as well, so that's a big complication :P

moyomongoose

2 months, 1 week ago

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@ UrianKitsune

That hurtle is even more so for me as it also comes into play with my story writing.
Now...lots of artists on this site like my stories and had told me how epic and awesome they are.
However, there is a point where I have to deal with those nuances.
When I first complete a story, I have to reword much of it many times, and change it around time and time again before I can post it.
Much of a new story, I have to research different words that express better what is meant to be conveyed in the story.
But finally it pays off when I get to a point where proof reading it doesn't seem so awkward.

If I were to post a story in the original form I've first written it, it would be posted as a disaster with awkward grammar.

UrianKitsune

2 months, 1 week ago

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@ moyomongoose

That's more care and effort than I've seen out of most writers in years. O.O

KevinSnowpaw

2 months, 1 week ago

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There was a reason the Jester could criticize the king and not lose his head for it...

We have lost the plot

RoareyRaccoon

2 months, 1 week ago

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@ KevinSnowpaw

They have; there are still plenty of us who aren't fuckin nuts ;).

DiogenesShandor

2 months, 1 week ago

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In regard to the idea of historical oppressors and the historically oppressed I am reminded of the words of my namesake Diogenes of Sinope:

"I am searching for the bones of a king but I cannot distinguish them from the bones of a slave"

The dead are dead.

moyomongoose

2 months, 1 week ago

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@ DiogenesShandor

First time I've heard that one. Who coined that spoke wise and well.

That reminds me of a dialog I had with a neighbor friend when Rodney King was beaten up by Los Angeles police officers about 40 years ago.
He asked me, "Omar, doesn't that make your blood boil how white people treated us for the last 500 years".
I replied to him, "Terry, I don't remember that long ago. Nor do you. But I guess we aged well for men of 500 years old. I don't look a day over 35, and you don't look a day over 40...We aged well".
Terry goes, "Huh?"
I then explained to him, "Our ancestors were around back then. We were not...Besides, I wasn't born in this country".
What could Terry say but, "Oh".

RoareyRaccoon

2 months, 1 week ago

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@ moyomongoose

What a pussy, blaming people alive today for shit he never went through. Total, blinding, absolute weakness. I'm fuckin sick of that attitude.

moyomongoose

2 months, 1 week ago

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@ RoareyRaccoon

I don't believe those who spew that rhetoric had ever stopped to think and reason anything out.

From what I could perceive from hearing them talk, it seems like they simply think that way because their friends think like that and they think it's cool. Their parents also raise them on that notion. They hear neighbors chilling out at the local corner store talking that talk.
I do know some of them follow the que of some agitating preacher in the pulpit of a rouge church who preaches that rhetoric to the congregation. Much of the congregation in that kind of a church just eats it right on up. There's a term for that. It's called brainwash...I myself have actually seen it happen, and left a church 30 years ago because of it.
You'd think older folks should better. And as much as I don't like to have to say it, many of the ipetuous young bucks are quick to follow the leader and buy into that crap like "monkey see, monkey do" with a ring in their nose.
At least that has been my observation of what goes on about all that mess.

moyomongoose

2 months, 1 week ago

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@ RoareyRaccoon

The practice of collective punishment ain't nothing new either. In fact, it goes back to ancient times.
You should check out this Wikipedia article I found.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collective_punishment

In countries since ancient times ruled by tyrannical kings or emperors, when someone expressed contempt against authority or committed an act of treason, everyone's house in the entire village where the perpetrator lived was burned down, along with the perpetrator being prosecuted.

In some ancient societies, whole families were punished for the actions of one family member.
In other tyrannical kingdoms, when one or more villagers stirred up trouble, soldiers were sent to rape the woman and girls to punish and humiliate the whole village.

Among tribal cultures, if a tribal member is killed by someone from a different tribe, the chief would send 5 of his warriors to go kill 3 members of the tribe the perpetrator came from. The chief of the perpetrator's tribe would then retaliate by sending 10 of his warriors to kill 5 members of the other tribe. Then a tribal war begins.

Hillbilly fueds in the Appalachians started out in much the same way...Same so with Scottish clan wars.

The article has a hit, "nine familial execution"
In the Chinese Qin Dynasty from 221 B.C. to 207 B.C., when someone committed an act of treason, the perpetrator was executed by slow slicing. The rest of the perpetrator's family was also executed the same way, which included:
Parents and Grandparents
Spouse and spouse's parents and siblings
Children
Siblings
Grandchildren
Uncles, aunts and cousins
3rd cousins
Very young children were not executed, but put into a lifetime of enslavement instead.

During the fall of Germany at the end of World War 2 in Europe, Russian soldiers raped German women and little girls to punish the Nazis, and in retaliation for the earlier German invasion of Russia.

In more modern times, 2014, an Israeli professor, Mordechai Kedar, advocated that terrorists can be deterred if they had knowledge their sisters and mothers would be raped for their actions.

From that article, I discovered that history had more disgusting shit than I was aware of.

UrianKitsune

2 months, 1 week ago

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@ moyomongoose

Yes. This exactly.

RoareyRaccoon

2 months, 1 week ago

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@ moyomongoose

Indeed, when people criticise my country (England) and its history, the question essential to ask is "Compared to what?". I'm very proud of my country, not because it is innocent, but because it's fantastic compared to most of the other places that have actually existed and still exist, rather than comparing it to some fantasy utopia that cannot exist or a fabricated, idealised vision of other countries where nowhere near the same scrutiny is applied. I'm sick of the anti-white, mainly anti English-speaking hatred out there, when those countries are the largest hotspots on earth for mass migration. Can't have it both ways. This is an infantile self-confidence issue being projected onto great nations and cultures that have been an enormous gift to the world, so anybody expecting me to feel ashamed of it is a clown XP. It's not white supremacy, it's cultural superiority; an empirical, demonstrable reality when it comes to human welfare, prosperity, ethics and longevity. Regardless of anyone's race, any nation which uses the anglosphere as a good example to emulate will prosper from it, and I only wish more nations did, rather than picking socialism or theocracy.

moyomongoose

2 months, 1 week ago

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@ RoareyRaccoon

You can rest assured I'll never buy into that Palookaville poop pile known as anti-white rhetoric. In fact, that anti-white rhetoric is also an offence to my family just like anti-black rhetoric is, considering there are some whites in the family history of my parents, more so on my mom's side of the family.

On a few occasions during my school days, I have told both white and black classmates who talk that talk, "You need to quit that shit".
It almost got me in a fight once in 7th grade with a white boy who was on the school baseball team. However, now days, telling that to someone who you don't know could get you shot.

In addition to that, my parents had taught my siblings and I how totally senseless it is to dislike someone based on appearance only..."never judge a book by it's cover".

moyomongoose

2 months, 1 week ago

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Forgot to hit "reply".

OhgunBeastar

2 months, 1 week ago

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I'm tired of all of this D.I.E. madness to the point I want to be cleansed of it for good. It's brought nothing but misery in all aspects of life.

RoareyRaccoon

2 months, 1 week ago

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@ OhgunBeastar

Indeed, it has been an exhausting nightmare for years XP.

AxleFurret

2 months, 1 week ago

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Remember, "Equality" is the new "bad word" lol... They want to push "equity" which is inherently "unequal"...

The exclusionary left has gone so far left that it is almost indistinguishable from the exclusionary right wing.

That horseshoe "theory" lookin' more like fact every day.

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