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Poop Art will be on my Twitter Feed!

by FurBrush

As per my previous post.
The admins of Inkbunny are censoring my A.I. art, and don't want me posting here,
so I am moving the current pics over to my Twitter feed!

For those of you who want to continue enjoying the relieval poop series of pics that I make!
I will continue to post them over here.

Please follow: https://twitter.com/FurBrush

Again if anyone has any suggestions on places I can post without admin interference and folks that are more accepting of A.I. art, please let me know!

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Added:	12 months ago 09 Jan 2024 12:56 CET

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mobkiller

12 months ago

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"	Again if anyone has any suggestions on places I can post without admin interference and folks that are more accepting of A.I. art, please let me know!

Gotta stick to their upload rules for AI content

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In the event that the image is mostly or fully AI-generated:
* The image must be tagged with the ai_generated keyword
* The image must be tagged with the name of the generator and model used
* The image description must contain all the prompts and seeds passed to the generator
* The image description must indicate what generator and model was used
* The image description must indicate what training data was used (if known)
* The image must not have been generated using prompts that include the name of a living or recently deceased (within the last 25 years) artist, or the names of specific non-commercial characters (fursonas) without the express permission of the character owner - in line with our Ownership policy
* You must not sell fully AI-generated artwork adopts or commissions
* You may not upload more than six images with the same prompts in a single set
(this means "be selective", not "make lots of submissions with the same prompts")

FurBrush

12 months ago

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@ mobkiller

This is ridiculous to me.. do you see other artists being badgered or harassed for their worlflow on how they make something??  That's literally unheard of.. so WHY on earth should I give up HOW I made something just so other people can take it and use it??  I don't think that's about to happen.  If someone wants to create what I create, then they can come up with it themselves.

This is the equivalent of going up to an artist and demanding that they teach you what they know, right then and there.
That's just not going to happen.  If someone wants to know they can figure it out themselves.

I think Inkbunny needs to stop fence sitting and decide whether they are going to support AI Art here 100% without harassing other users for their work flow, or just NOT be accepting of it all together.  But asking AI Artists for their workflow to me is rude, and intrusive.

GreenReaper

12 months ago

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@ FurBrush

First off, we do badger artists if we have strong reason to believe that they have created an uncredited derivative work, or one which may otherwise violate our policies. That's because as the host we ultimately share some responsibility for its publication, at least after having been made aware of a potential issue.

The primary goal is to make it possible to verify that you have not done the things mentioned earlier, i.e. trying to reproduce a specific living or recently deceased artist's output (a-la Dune: "Thou shalt not make a machine in the likeness of a human mind"), or used a service or model that is only available for payment. Being able to reproduce the end result demonstrates this.

That said: you have, effectively, taken what other artists know by using models trained on their work. You didn't work long hours to obtain that knowledge; you got the benefit of their skill for free - without asking. We consider providing your own information a reasonable trade, as if you'd licensed it under Creative Commons NonCommercial-ShareAlike and built on it.

What artists find most objectionable is "AI bros" basically monetizing their own efforts while giving nothing back to the community their work was derived from. It devalues their own work, literally - notwithstanding that it is hard to deliver the commissions furries like purely with AI. If it's "for fun" - showing off what you can do, helping others do the same - it's less of an issue.

KammyKay

12 months ago

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GreenReaper's words specifically...

Using Inkbunny while selling AI-generated images is prohibited.

On top of that, selling pornographic content on Etsy is also prohibited.

FurBrush

12 months ago

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@ KammyKay

Yeah sure, that's why they made me a Star Seller over there. If you don't understand how A.I. art is created, and that it's perfectly legal and takes work to create GOOD images, then.. I can't help that kind of ignorance toward it. I'm not going to scream into the ears of anyone that doesn't want to listen or bother understanding.

KammyKay

12 months ago

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@ FurBrush

I can't find the good images. Can you point them out to me?

scat

12 months ago

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@ KammyKay

I found them. There was some rare gems here before all this. It's truly unfortunate this is the outcome. I had high hopes seeing the stuff I had been looking for around here, and now the rare few good ones are gone.

FurBrush

12 months ago

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@ KammyKay

Oh man you're so funny... drown me.. it was a lot better than the crap in your gallery that's for sure.
I could out do all of your art in a single day, where as it took you months to produce whatever the hell it is that you produce.

KammyKay

12 months ago

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@ FurBrush

My gallery? You mean the one that still has images in it?

FurBrush

12 months ago

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@ KammyKay

Blocking you, since you are clearly immature, and butthurt. :}

NikkitheTanuki

11 months, 3 weeks ago

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@ FurBrush

the immature one here is you that thinks he's a special snowflake. Rules are rules. Either you follow em or take your business elsewhere.

AutoSnep

11 months ago

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@ NikkitheTanuki

I'd say both could have acted much nicer, but in this fight, KammyKay gets extra points for class and conciseness. 👍 It comes with practice, of course.

That being said, on the moral side, I'd rather support people selling packs of 5 AI-generated images for $10 than people dedicating their lives to the futile fight against generative machine learning.

I must admit though that my expectations on the speed of progress (and thus public perception of ML) miserably failed. Still very few digital artists publicly support ML assistance.

AutoSnep

11 months ago

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@ FurBrush

KammyKay

claims in their joournal they don't block anyone unless the user is trolling, but that's apparently a lie because they can't take fair and square objective criticism. Who could've thought. 😆

As much as I find the practice of selling AI-generated art on websites not suited for it questionable, the AI haters somehow keep proving the only compromise they see is pure hatred and make choosing side so much easier. Sad really. 😐

scat

12 months ago

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Don't got twitter

scat

12 months ago

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Darn looking at the censored AI content posted on there looks like you really did put out stuff I would have sought after. Unfortunately even I could not support that concept no matter how good it looks.

Hopefully it works out.

FurBrush

12 months ago

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@ scat

Well, people support it.. It's 2024 and technology is the evolution of the future. You either go with the flow of things and grow with the tech.. or sit back in time living like a cave man. I'm sure it was the same back in the cave man days as well refusing and pushing back against technological leaps. We're humans. But not for long. The pencil and stencil are being phased out. That's just the reality of it, whether people like it or not.

AutoSnep

11 months ago

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@ scat

The generated images looked nice, but most of that niceness came from "by blotch, by lizardlars, by ..." in the prompt. InkBunny's rules prohibit this approach to style variety, while a lot of furry models are designed around it to a heavy degree.

With FurBrush's galleries gone on both InkBunny and Etsy, I have my doubts about them keeping posting on Twitter...

If you're using Discord, you can join Furry Diffusion server. They've removed restrictions on first watersports and recently scat too, and never restricted use of any words in the prompt (other than violating Discord policy, that is, like cubs). There're watersports and scat threads on that server where you can find lots of high-quality images.

scat

11 months ago

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@ AutoSnep

Eh well either way judging what I can see in the samples this person really made stuff I would have appreciated. It's unfortunate they decide to approach it this way.

AutoSnep

11 months ago

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@ scat

Makes me wonder how lucrative selling packs of 5 AI-generated scat images for $10 on Etsy is. Sounds like a tough sell to me. 😆

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