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methenarrator
2 years, 1 month ago
furaffinity.net/journal/10552819
May 19, 2023 - Internal Policy Update
2 days ago
Update Regarding Upload Policy 2.7 - Content Involving Minors

Since Fur Affinity has taken the stance against fictional content featuring minors in sexual situations, we have continued to evolve our rules to prevent minors from being exploited and to ensure that our rules are equally applied.

Our most well-known change removed the classic “1000 year old loli vampire” loophole trope by expanding our definition of minors to include humanoids with childlike body proportions, including canonically adult characters who look like children. Such characters need to be aged-up accordingly (proportions changed to that of an adult) to be allowed in submissions containing sexual situations. These changes were well-received, and based upon additional feedback from our community, any reports we receive of Pokémon or Digimon who have childlike body proportions or appear as adolescent animals will be treated as any other when in the presence of sexual activity, sexual objects, nudity, or fetishized in a sexual way. This update will go into effect on July 1st, 2023.

We would like to reiterate this applies to those characters only with childlike proportions or are otherwise presented as children in sexual content as described above.

Accounts found in violation may receive a 1 week suspension and a final warning. Repeat violations may result in a permanent ban. If you believe that this change may impact your gallery, then you should delete any and all content that may violate our rules before July 1st, 2023.

If you have questions as to whether this may apply to your content, please feel free to open a ticket under “NSFW Underage Content” with links to the content in question, and we can verify if the content is in violation or not.

As always, thank you for being members of our wonderful and creative furry community. We hope that this update will continue to provide everyone with a safe and inclusive place to share your artistic endeavors and meet new and interesting people from all parts of our furry world.

Appended: Additional Clarification

Due to feedback we have received regarding this update, we are providing the following clarification on the changes that went live today.

- NO, there is no blanket ban across species.
- NO, there is no list of species that we will always take action on.
- YES, characters in your NSFW art must be aged up.
- NO, simply making something bigger or smaller does not indicate age.
- We look at anatomy proportionally alongside other context in submissions.

There is also some confusion as to the extent of the changes that went live today. Section 2.7 of the Upload Policy has been in effect for many months with its current wording. The only thing that changed as of this update is our internal policy on Pokemon and Digimon. Pokemon and Digimon are now actionable, if presented as children, when they were not in the past.

Again, small or otherwise cute adults, Pokemon/Digimon or not, will not be removed unless they proportionally/anatomically represent a child.
Norithics
2 years, 1 month ago
It's all so clear! Like a bowl of pea soup.
Waccoon
2 years, 1 month ago
It's remarkable how often they need to remind us how open and transparent they are.

I see Dragoneer never updated the misleading "guilt-free adblocking" sales pitch for FA+ accounts, like he personally told me he would.  Priorities, I guess.
Norithics
2 years, 1 month ago
He's got more important stuff to do! Like, uhhh...
.....
Uhhhhhhhhhh...
Exelbirth
2 years, 1 month ago
So basically, "we are biased against petite and flat chested women, we uphold a misogynistic view that women should have big boobs."
RollerCoasterViper59
2 years, 1 month ago
Sounds about right, but what are we to expect from FA any more. Or it's counter part E621 who apparently supports Fascon... Also known as FreeFurAll
Meowvela
2 years ago
Wait, what is "fascon"? The only mental image that's coming to mind is pretty bad, but I feel like I must be over-thinking it.
RollerCoasterViper59
2 years ago
Fascon is a fancy way of saying FreeFurAll. FreeFurAll is a furcon reproduced by the cancelled in the fandom. Mostly pedos, zoos and Nazi furs/furry raiders as well as those tricked into thinking it's a legit con when it's not unfortunately. Jason and Kabs are this year's GOH and while I don't have anything too negative to say about Kabs, according to reports Jason slept with her when she was 16 as well as used her voice in earlier animations. She may be an adult now so there isn't much anyone can do about it now but that's still immoral on his part. He's also been accused of being homophobic and racist but I can't find anything to prove those claims, but that should tell you what type of con this is.

Their con Chair is Peace wolf and she has also been accused of Racism. She was kicked off the Board of Tails and Tornadoes fur con in 2019
Meowvela
2 years ago
Okay, yikes, that is actually worse than I pictured. 0_0
RutherfordDragon
2 years ago
also people who draw in more simplistic/cutesy styles, characters with naturally shorter proportions...

Like any of that will change the fact that they're still dogfuckers. Respectability will get furries nowhere.
Neos8
2 years, 1 month ago
You know that last part of their "policy" is what they are planning to go after. As soon as that person that posts a cute pic is going to get hit.
Jeffron
2 years, 1 month ago
I don't know if anyone has even made a decision to come here or not, but good to have that up anyway as a welcoming thing for folks.
DesertMutt
2 years, 1 month ago
There has definitely been an increase in the number of posts being made, and I know of at least one artist that posted on both, who has declared that after this, they will no be posting on FA any further (pointing out in the process that the art posted here is a higher resolution as well).  There was also at least one post which directly referenced the change when I was browsing new art yesterday.
Jeffron
2 years, 1 month ago
I see. Maybe it's just due to me not noticing I guess. Heck just noticed there was an artist I am acquainted with also happening to be on here, had no idea. It's odd how this place always feels...empty at times.
SkeletalK9
2 years, 1 month ago
Can confirm. Came for the Nori - Stayed for the better everything.
Norithics
2 years, 1 month ago
Stayed for being an absolute fukn QT✨
SkeletalK9
2 years, 1 month ago
No you!
dragonclaws
2 years, 1 month ago
Speedrun on Dragoneer, admins, and script kiddies not fucking up challenge FA - Impossible
Norithics
2 years, 1 month ago
They've been dominating this category! Untouched champs!
FallenArtsIB
2 years, 1 month ago
inkbunny wins again

now i have an actual excuse to use the site YES
RegiosRhenac
2 years, 1 month ago
People striving for censorship of art they dislike instead of curating their experience like responsible adults got exactly what they wanted, yet they are complaining about it.

It baffles me, really. But then again, can't expect much from people who thought the sledgehammer of censorship could be used like a scalpel.
Norithics
2 years ago
The leopards ate their faces. Who knew.
SassyAfterDark
2 years, 1 month ago
I joined Inkbunny ages ago to follow an ex-friend (wherever you are, my guy, I hope you're doing well), and I stayed because I instantly enjoyed using it more than FA. And now it feels ev en more justified. I'm not deleting my art. I'll take the ban with middle fingers in the air. IB is better anyways.
kyecoonvox
2 years ago
wonder if they will ban us on fa for posting a big picture of a middle finger? 😁
SuperRobot
2 years, 1 month ago
I don't even have that many underage OCs & that last FA update makes me wanna get on that out of spite. But yeah, blocked words ftw.
Ravi
2 years, 1 month ago
It's such a small but nice thing I adore about the site. I don't have to see things I don't want to. Other people can enjoy'em but they're not to my tastes. And if an artists I like uploads something that I wouldn't care for, the blocked words save the day (especially since everyone's usually good on tagging).
Ravi
2 years, 1 month ago
IB's been my go to site for over half a decade now. It's the best website in terms of everything:

UI, Community (Only ever ran into like 2 or 3 bad apples but they were cut out of the tree pretty fast or personal)

An easy to use tag and blacklist which, how the fuck FA doesn't have/use a proper tagging/blacklist is a mystery aside from just being lazy

Not to mention the creator is active and open to discussion/help with the website. I don't know much about Dragoneer's history aside from the IMVU thing but it's a real bad look when almost no one has anything good to say about him.

The whole "update" was a not necessary thing that's worried a lot of people that do use the website. I have a couple secret accounts up there for when I just wanna check on folks (OG got banned ages ago cause I made some admin mad over an argument) I do like but man, I do feel bad for the users.
OliverJarvis
2 years, 1 month ago
How do they breath with their heads so far up their own asses?
TheDJTC
2 years, 1 month ago
I'm getting feelings of how tumblr was once Elon Musk started getting into the server wires like the world's largest rat XDDD
DragonPen
2 years, 1 month ago
I joined this site almost 13 years ago at the very start of the "cub ban". I did so following many artists whom drew sonic characters and were getting wrongfully punished by the FA mods for even having aged up sonic characters. Seriously one person drew Amy rose with huge bazongas and it got him in trouble! I knew from the start that FA would start to implode from within as they eventually ban more and more stuff. Soon I'm certain they'll ban human x furry artwork.
kyecoonvox
2 years ago
you used the wrong Wacom tablet BAN 🤯
DragonPen
2 years ago
Uh..what?
kyecoonvox
2 years ago
referring to fa's banning reasons some of them are quite out there I seen some one get a ban over the Wacom tablet they used  it was an old model that that had a known hackable driver witch makes some sense to ban if the tablet was actually connected to fa severs but not for a picture done on it
DragonPen
2 years ago
Oooooh! I get it now. Didn't know about the Wacom thing before either. But yeah you're right. They seem to hand out bans like candy on Halloween
onipuck
2 years, 1 month ago
Yet more of that brain rot that thinks there is a correlation between the 2D world and 3D.
KlinKitty
2 years ago
It's a persistent one, too. Can't challenge it, or you're treated as being basically equivalent to a child molester. That kind of reaction is the same kind of thing the right weaponized against LGBTQ people; "You're defending something that we baselessly claim hurts kids? You must be a groomer!"
MacDragon991
2 years, 1 month ago
I've been here about a year.  Haven't had any issues with the site that I can say or remember.  Just can't post my human smut here, but hey, Newgrounds can fill that void as it already does.  Not sure if much will change if and when my fa would get struck down.  Not sure how much of my business even comes from any sites anymore.  I have my discord advertised for my main contacts everywhere with my commission sheet.  If FA wants to go scorched earth for puritan moral bs, fuck'em.  
AmaraLemur
2 years, 1 month ago
What sucks is, I fear they are going to target my comics based on the title alone. Even if I were to change it, they'd still use it as an excuse, leaving half of my viewership unable to see my content.
RollerCoasterViper59
2 years, 1 month ago
This entire journal needs to be pinned in the front of the website
Lopsy
2 years, 1 month ago
Save your favorite cute FA Pokémon art while it lasts. I recommend gallery-dl as a mass download tool. For FA, you can give it the prompt 'gallery-dl "<FA artist page url here>" --cookies-from-browser chrome'.
MotherNoroi
2 years, 1 month ago
shame the fa2ib tool doesnt work anymore. wouldve been convenient at this time if FA's still crackin down on the whole minor content
Norithics
2 years ago
Gah, it's true, would've been perfect.
ElCid
2 years ago
Honestly, I'd move all my stuff here if there wasn't 17 years' worth of content and OC lore and shit. All I can do is hope I fly under the radar as always due to being so unnoteworthy or just don't get targetted by people who hate me because reasons.
MrBIGDON1992
2 years ago
You have a FA account?
Norithics
2 years ago
I left 11 years ago, but I never deleted the account.
PaperRatKelly
2 years ago
Well, any FA white knights come here, this'll play.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HS7gPuNS-R8
Meowvela
2 years ago
So... I just got banned for speaking out there. I don't mean "I can't post there" I mean "I can't even view my account there any more."
pyrostinger
2 years ago
Probably the biggest sticking point to the new policy is that it's basically a judgement call and FA mods are notorious for exercising poor and/or capricious judgement
Norithics
2 years ago
Oh yeah. Trading on trust they never earned.
88000088
2 years ago
This is all pretty lame, but i find it funny how this witch hunt against cub is based on the (really bad) argument that it makes people desensitized to pedophilia. As if you couldn't make the same argument that being into furries make people want to fuck animals.
Corona688
2 years ago
the argument is based on money.  their advertisers have them on a ball and chain.  it is about money.  that is all
TundraSilvermyst
2 years ago
People like to draw a line directly beneath themselves because it makes them feel better about themselves, and pushing other people past that line makes everyone else seem worse by comparison so they can feel EVEN BETTER about themselves. Lots of people just never really grew past that high-schooler/middle-schooler mentality, and it shows.

"I like fatfur, but you'd never see me draw vore."
"I like unhealthy body standards that would be fatal IRL, but not sexually because that'd be wrong."
"Sorry, I'm only into entities who are Shaped Like A Friend. You scumbags with your Primary And Secondary Sexual Characteristics disgust me, blech."
"I like inflation but people who like popping are horrible."
"Dub-con sex? Ew, get lost. Now excuse me while I go commission an artist for porn of my OC gassing an innocent to death with bowel fumes."
And I've seen many more incredibly hypocritical opinions other than the few I wrote down after adjusting the phrasing to match the speaker's actual intent, with different people defending their kink by dragging another interest/party under a bus, in my time lurking and browsing.

Here is an objective statement that I think everyone who isn't a closet-or-overt furry-hater, or at least isn't a deeply disturbed individual who hates themselves and takes it out on others like a stereotypical abuser, should agree with.
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Either no kink or preference is alright because "everyone is an idiot and susceptible to temptation to do something morally dubious or wrong, so nobody should be allowed to have fun" which is just as much a vacuous generalisation as it is a questionable and vague one.
Or every kink is fine, and it's just what a person ends up doing with them that defines that person's morality. Which honestly is logic more people in the fandom should have just by virtue of being a furry.
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But apparently some people feel that the right to not be judged arbitrarily, only applies to them and again arbitrarily.

There are tons of people with utterly plain tastes who abuse those tastes and people in their clique to achieve self-satisfaction inside AND outside the fandom. There are lots of people in the fandom who get or have been sexually abused in ways that don't really involve a kink. Maybe a person with moral failings has those moral failings for different reasons than their fetish, it's just that their fetish is what their moral failing ends up being expressed through.

...But good luck trying to explain all that to anybody who very obviously has their bias. : / Never mind explaining the Boy Who Cried Wolf consequences to their actions AND getting them to understand how they're hurting rather than helping.
JasmineRedkat
2 years ago
It's almost like FA really want to drive folks away from there site or something.
Noah888
1 year, 9 months ago
FA is a sinking ship. Soon enough, it'll go under.

(By the way, I love all the work you do.)
DrBattlemage
1 year, 4 months ago
Personally don't see the difference in both sites, but i think thats simply because i haven't had any issues on any page i've been on. Not even on DA.

I never read rules i just tend to go and draw if i can bring myself to do it. Maybe if i became more popular by being more consistent i would run into the folk who actually want to stand in my way.
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