About humans by Saucy < Journal | Inkbunny, the Furry Art Community

ShaneAndCo

2 years, 9 months ago

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NSFW (uncensored) humans hasn't been allowed for 11 years. Staff just was a bit lax in enforcing it due to lack of mods. With the site growing bigger and bigger it spiraled out of their control until recently they stepped it up a bit.

Floofy

2 years, 9 months ago

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@ ShaneAndCo

Has never (While I've been here) allowed sexual depictions of humans.
Has always allowed censored art of sexual depictions as long it was censored in a way that could plausibly be non-sexual.

Does allow human nipples and boobs (as long as it's non-sexual, and no, boobs or nipples does not automatically equate to sexual)
Does allow human bums, but not rectal details (curves but not stars)
Does not allow human genitals at allow.
Does allow external links even if on said external site contains content not allowed.

Demi humans such as elves or nekomimis are considered human for this

Etis

2 years, 9 months ago

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@ Floofy

"	Has always allowed censored art of sexual depictions as long it was censored in a way that could plausibly be non-sexual.

Yeah, "plausibly" is the keyword. Obvious censorship only makes one think about it being sexual, so I don't think slapping something over genitals counts.

Karmandel

2 years, 9 months ago

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@ Etis

Exactly. There are words about arousal in the rule as well, and if you have to censor the faces there's not much point in posting. IB might as well just say that censorship doesn't matter, lewd humans are not allowed. (I would like to know if they have tried to update their stance in the view of court decisions over the last 15 years. The main server is in the Netherlands, though, so the US Supreme Court is not the only relevant one. And real lawyers are expensive).

Even for furry art it can be hard to figure out when you are allowed to put a General rating on stuff, though at least we don't have to try to understand what a female-presenting nipple even is. Otherwise that would be an easy fix: No humans with mature or adult ratings.

Anyway, I stopped trying to post humans even just with bare chests since my first (gentle and polite) run-in with the mods many years ago, but then I'm more interested in talking to people and developing the canon of my furry OCs, that clearly isn't what Saucy needs. I don't have a business to keep running.

Uluri

2 years, 9 months ago

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I would ask

who's in charge of the site more about it. Human art needs to be censored well enough. I personally Crop the naughty bits and link out to the full version.

I do wish that that i didn't have to crop my human nsfw here, but eh, that's the rules here.

Saucy

2 years, 9 months ago

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@ Uluri

I know I've been mentioned in a comment made to GreenReaper so I don't think it's worth doing it myself 🙃

InsaneProxy

2 years, 9 months ago

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For human centered stuff, there is Pixiv, a Japanese art gallery site that allows everything from SFW to NSFW. The only downside is you need to censor genitalia because of Japanese censorship laws.

There is also Baraag, a mastodon instance that is meant for artistic freedom. They allow everything as long as it's just art, so no photos.

There's a few others but they're not nearly as active. Hentai-foundry, HicceArs, Newgrounds. It's ironic, because it feels to me like way back in the day it was easier for lewd artists of all types to find a gallery site to place EVERYTHING they draw, and now things are so segmented.

Saucy

2 years, 9 months ago

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@ InsaneProxy

I mostly do OC content, so I don't feel like Pixiv would be worth the language barrier and censoring, as it'd remain pretty unseen;;

Baraag and HicceArs both are centered around things I don't want to associate with

Hentai foundry has that dumb "quality" rule, as well as a ridiculous filesize limit

Newgrounds isn't for sketches/doodles either...

There really isn't a "casual" place for human NSFW other than twitter, and twitter kinda sucks for organizing/tagging/etc...

:'D FA remains the best place to share that kinda stuff, but it's still a furry website.

ScottySkunk

2 years, 9 months ago

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@ Saucy

Weasyl does allow human stuff as an alternative

Saucy

2 years, 9 months ago

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@ ScottySkunk

Isn't that place pretty much dead?

ScottySkunk

2 years, 9 months ago

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@ Saucy

It is kinda slow

Uluri

2 years, 9 months ago

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@ Saucy

It's slow, but right now I can say it's way more enjoyable to reside on weasyl than DeviantArt. I'm on about every platform.

If ya don't have an account over there but ever want to make one, let me know. Id be glad to confirm ya. I'd personally put weasyl and Newgrounds in a similar ballpark having been using both of them for the last couple years. Folks exist, but ya also gotta show you exist too.

Saucy

2 years, 9 months ago

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@ Uluri

I do have an account, but it looks like I haven't used it in over 7 years...
Think I'll just wipe it clean for the time being.

InsaneProxy

2 years, 9 months ago

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@ Saucy

>Baraag and HicceArs both are centered around things I don't want to associate with

But isn't this place as well? I mean, some idiots call this place Pedobunny.

Saucy

2 years, 9 months ago

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@ InsaneProxy

From my journal:

"	A lot of the morals on this website make me uncomfortable

I have my reasons not to be comfortable with it, and if I had heard of IB now and not 11+ years ago I wouldn't have made an account. But now I have a following on here that isn't on other websites, and who might not want to make an account somewhere else for just one artist, which is understandable.

As someone who makes a living taking art commissions, I can't fully remove myself from one of the platforms where I actually get business from.

theuncalledfor

2 years, 9 months ago

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So far as I understand the rules, human porn is not allowed to be posted here, but a censored version with link to full is allowed. Genitals may not be shown, nor may any explicit sexual content. Censored images need to be plausibly non-sexual in their censored state. Your Mage Hand picture should be okay because it looks like the character could potentially be holding a steaming cup of tea, for example.

According to someone who corrected me recently, even human breasts are actually allowed, since they are not genitalia.

Additionally, as far as I know, you only get banned if you've been told off for posting unacceptable human stuff before, and then did it again.

The exact rules should be written down in the "Acceptable Content Policy", so trust anything in that over anything I say.

The main reason for this rule seems to be legal nonsense in some of the countries that the mods work in and the servers are hosted, or something along those lines. So blame those countries for having unreasonable rules.

Also, there a bunch of discussion on this topic in this here journal.

Saucy

2 years, 9 months ago

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@ theuncalledfor

The censoring thing often seems like a thing that isn't really followed, as a lot (if not all) censored human work is, well... censored but not edited. But nothing bad ever seems to happen. I'm guessing that now things will probably start changing/the rules will start being applied more often/things will be reported more, so it's kinda stressful tbh.

(and yeah this journal is why I made my own)

theuncalledfor

2 years, 9 months ago

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@ Saucy

Well I don't know when you saw that journal, but all the pictures linked at the top were basically just fully uncensored humans with genitalia openly on display, so they kinda had the removals coming. They just posted with no concern for the rules whatsoever.

MeganBryar

2 years, 9 months ago

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I hope that won't come to pass, but if it does, I won't blame you for basically shutting down here. You have every right to decide whether or not you're okay posting your work someplace, and whatever happens, I hope one day soon, you can find a better home for your human work, too.

Saucy

2 years, 9 months ago

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@ MeganBryar

FA and Twitter are the best solutions as of now, but I really wish there was like... an actual art platform for it that actually works/is active xD

MeganBryar

2 years, 9 months ago

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@ Saucy

I wish there was, too. For now, though, I'll have to remember that you do actually post on FA as well. Just in case.

Zeromegas

2 years, 9 months ago

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No site is perfect. In FA you can post naked Hoomans but Lolis and Shotas of whatever race/species is out of the question and here in IB, the humanoids are censored except goblins.

kitsunelegend

2 years, 9 months ago

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I do agree it kinda sucks that human lewd artwork cant be posted here uncensored. But iirc its like that due to some laws or something where the servers are based so they can still allow all of the content they do have. Inkbunny, afaik, is one of the very few places that allows pretty much everything, at least in a furry focused way.

I dont blame you for being frustrated with the current way the site is, and wont blame you if you end up deciding to leave. You're a fantastic artist, and I do really enjoy all of the stuff you post, so it'd be a real shame to lose you here. Especially since I do actually really love both the human artwork, AND the furry versions of said human works you post.

But at the end of the day, its your choice.

Saucy

2 years, 9 months ago

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@ kitsunelegend

I wouldn't say I'm frustrated?
More like... a bit nervous?
I'm not sure how to explain it.
I want to be able to share the stuff I make, but the options available are limited and... not ideal. And that would be one less out of what already isn't much.

kitsunelegend

2 years, 9 months ago

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@ Saucy

I mean, I can understand. But at least on the one hand the mods here are usually a lot more relaxed and easy going compared to the complete idiocy over on FA who will straight up suspend you for the smallest issues. I've seen it happen to a friend of mine. First offense, minor infraction. Was instantly suspended for a week without any warning. Apparently had something to do with a picture they posted years ago before a rule change that banned the content of said picture.

Meanwhile from what I've seen, the IB mods will typically give you a chance to take down anything that might not be ok to have on IB, or at least censor the pic differently, before they resign to suspending or banning.

Honestly though, I think you're ok with what you're posting now as long as you keep censoring it and linking to it off site. But you could always just ask a mod though if you're unsure. :)

But hey, at least FA allows uncensored human stuff, so at least theres still that site!

Saucy

2 years, 9 months ago

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@ kitsunelegend

:y the mods on FA said that Milhouse (form the simpson) doesn't count as underage so can't say I've had much experience with "stick-to-the-rules" mods on there!

I'm still getting ready in case I'm told to take things down, just in case.
And I didn't want to end up just being like "ok bye" without an explanation if it comes to that.

kitsunelegend

2 years, 9 months ago

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@ Saucy

Well, thats pretty much what I mean about the FA mods being complete idiots. They dont even follow their own rules most of the time, and its usually either way too lax (therefor allowing stuff like Milhouse) or being way to strict. In fact its in their TOS that they have a strike system or something that says you wont get a suspension until your third strike. But as many have seen, some of the mods are ban happy and will suspend a user for their first infraction, even its a very minor one. Thats actually why I'm mostly switching to IB as my main gallery. Well that, and I have 3 times more watchers here than on FA lol

Well, I hope it doesn't come to that personally, cause IB is by far my favorite site. Its got a great gallery and uploading system, has a working thumbnail system, a working BLACKLIST for gods sake, and seems to have a mod team that follows their own rules. But I do appreciate it when artists kinda give a "heads up" just in case something happens. At the very least though, I am watching you over on FA, so I wont miss out on your art there, if something were to happen. :)

Saucy

2 years, 9 months ago

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@ kitsunelegend

No actually good adult art websites on the internet 😔

As far as functionality/looks IB is definitely superiors to most! tbh the only thing I'd add to it would be customizable "most recent" (i.e:followed users, specific user, etc...) like pixiv does.
And maybe tag tracking.
And a whitelist (i.e: don't wanna see things tagged "masturbation" unless also tagged "sex toy")

xD; man I wish I had a fuck ton of money, a lot of time, and coding knowledge.

kitsunelegend

2 years, 9 months ago

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@ Saucy

Those are actually some fantastic ideas tbh! And one thing I'd like to add to that list is an actual dark/night mode! I actually asked greenreaper about a dark mode once, cause I had seen a screenshot of IB that looked like a dark mode, but apparently IB doesn't have one, which sucks for late night viewing.

Maybe thats something we IB users could push for? I cant even remember the last time this site has been properly updated with new features, so maybe now is the time? :)

Saucy

2 years, 9 months ago

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@ kitsunelegend

I feel like the "light mode" version of the site is still a lot easier on the eyes than most (with the whole grey and not white thing it has going on) but dark mode would be nice, yes.

Tho I mean... As long as InkBunny is, well, InkBunny, I feel like even if the site gets better as a website, people who aren't joining it because of what it allows still won't join, and it might not be worth it implementing new stuff if it doesn't bring in more users.

DidYaCheckIt

2 years, 9 months ago

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I've just gotten around to following you on Twitter and FA. I share your concerns about places like Baraag, and it really sucks there are so few "chill" places for human art. Hope everything works out for you.

Saucy

2 years, 9 months ago

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@ DidYaCheckIt

Maybe there's gonna be something eventually when someone with time and money realizes there's a market :P
Thanks a lot for the follows!

AmaraMcLeod

2 years, 9 months ago

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would hate to lose you, would say Instagram would be a good place, and Twitter for the human stuff

you know we love you here

Saucy

regardless of what you post, please do not leave

Saucy

2 years, 9 months ago

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@ AmaraMcLeod

Instagram kinda sucks for sharing art ngl fdggdfsf the format limitations and no-nsfw rules make it so I can barely share any of my stuff;;
and I'm not planning on full-on leaving
just... being way less active and stuff.

AmaraMcLeod

2 years, 9 months ago

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@ Saucy

okies, well still, you would be missed if you did leave

pierogero

2 years, 9 months ago

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nsfw humans arent allowed and havent been for ages. the mods are just a bit slow with covering reports.
However I -do- think it is allowed to post cropped or censored work and linking offsite to the uncensored work is okay. that's what i've done and I dont think i remember being reported for it or anything

Tycloud

2 years, 9 months ago

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Inkbutt has never allowed since i remember. They have to follow the laws of the Country that hosts the servers. So they have done a good job in protecting the site.

DiogenesShandor

2 years, 9 months ago

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@ Tycloud

I'm hoping that sometime soon one of these independent space travel companies will start putting servers in space. There's definitely a market for it.

KevinSnowpaw

2 years, 9 months ago

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I seriously dont think your in any danger just keep cencoring any lewd naughty pics of humans and keeping them off sight.

LustPuppet

2 years, 9 months ago

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Since InkBunny was created as a haven for cub and baby fur related content they've never allowed sexual content of humans, because, from what I understand, it makes working with hosts, payment processors, and the like much easier in most cases. I think the site was also started before the supreme court ruling in the US that essentially legalized all explicitly fictional content instead of leaving much in a grey area. IB tries to avoid taking chances so they can better protect the site from being taken down.

If you want something that has no set theme and is very open ended, without just blowing past baseline psychologically informed ethics, there's HicceArs and Pixiv (though with Pixiv you have to censor parts and it's a huge site like DA, so getting seen can be hard). New Grounds is similar to Pixiv in what they allow, but they expect a certain level of polish. If, on the other hand, you want a site that is more conservative on what kinds of adult content are allowed, but still want more subject matter than just furry and without the "quality" restrictions of other sites, then there's FA and Weasyl. There used to be a couple others that weren't explicitly furry themed, but they're pretty much dead now from what I've seen. There's also PillowFort, which I've heard is good, but I haven't tried it yet so I don't know much about it.

EveningFawn

2 years, 9 months ago

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Do you have another account to follow? I get leaving this place, it can be pretty ugly, but I'd hate to miss out on your art if you have an FA Or something similar

Saucy

2 years, 9 months ago

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@ EveningFawn

Oh yeah I guess I could update the links thing on my profile!
Gimme a couple minutes and they'll be up to date!

JerryLee

2 years, 9 months ago

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I'm gonna be honest here: I wish the rules about humans were stricter than they are, and certainly more strictly enforced.  Especially given the proliferation of barely-censored underage humans, in particular; there seems to be way too many folks who don't have the judgment to avoid poking their forks at that particular electric socket.

The problem, from where I stand, comes when people can't adhere in good faith to the spirit of a particular space, and insist on continually pushing the limits until it's out of sync with what any reasonable person would acknowledge as the original purpose of that space.  Now, it's not as if a single human coming across my feed makes me gag and throw my monitor, but when I look at an artist's last several posts and they're all humans (or fully humanoid elves, etc.), or when the popular uploads section has a noticeable portion of humans, someone's gone and missed the point and I don't think it's me.

As someone who likes a lot about your style (furry-wise) and really likes most of what you seem to stand for as a person, I think it would be a shame if you felt driven off from engaging here with your furry stuff.  But I guess that's beyond anyone's control.  Good luck wherever you go.

Jackofak

2 years, 8 months ago

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I've been told by support team to alter my human involved submissions a couple months ago. Not a pleasant experience because it got almost a month to un-hide my submissions after I recropped them. But it was chill and polite and I don't hold any grudge on the IB team for the delay, I get it, it's a big place maintained by a small group of people so such delays are absolutely reasonable. But what I don't get is what there is this issue in the first place. Cropping human stuff is like saying F-word instead of fuck, what's the point? And honestly - I don't believe it is a legality issue.
IB have almost every tool any artist need, except modern games and 100mb limit. Black list hide 99% of unpleasant content, so it's not biggie. On top of that IB have practically e621 search tools what allow users to easily find pretty much anything and precisely(if an artist bothers to use tags -__-).
I actually surprised IB is still up being financed by just donations. They can easily implement some ads or integrate some payed promotion tool for artists. Lost opportunity IMO.
In the end of the day, there is really no universal place with good tools and traffic. I may say Newgrounds but it have unforgivably limited social tools and low engagement, but still is best place for video or game project.

DevilKrin

2 years, 8 months ago

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Pixiv, baraag, and hiccears are my usual go to--- Pixiv is somewhat* censored, you can get away with minimalistic censoring, but that's only because of it being hosted in Japan/Japan's censorship laws. It's what my default has been for the last few years when it comes to human centric art.

BrassKnuckleTime

2 years, 8 months ago

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I got told to take down a picture I drew 10+ years ago cause it had a human who was naked but obscured by a prop. And about six months ago I got told to take down a picture of an astronaut cause it was too risky. She was in a bulky space suit.

I basically don’t post on here anymore and only keep the account for a few artists I follow and one kink. But honestly I’m starting to think mastodon/baraag might be the way to go for me in the future. Since pixiv isn’t really an option.

And I don’t like pillowfort. At all.

And Twitter is a mess.

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