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Where did Tinas Story go?

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For anyone wondering...

Some guy called Akhazita on FA (he is banned now) reported me to my local police (and local schools) for "creating child pornography" (I didn't) and showed multiple pages of Tinas Story (adult characters mentioning when they lost their virginity, or recounting that they were abused) and I was visited twice by the RCMP.

I told Graymuzzle about what was going on and he decided to delete his accounts and I deleted the comic from TheDuck and got rid of any even somewhat (adults dressed in 'sexy schoolgirl' costumes, sexy chibis, the Aggretsuko fanart, etc) content that I had created because apparently even that counts as child porn in Canada according to the police.

The comic is still available on Patreon (Gray wanted to abandon it entirely, but I said I wanted to finish the story), because I quickly went to the "offending images" and completely blacked out the panels (including text) that I was in trouble for. I do want to go back to those sections when I have the time and edit them nicely so that I don't get in trouble again before reposting the comic. When I do, it will probably be back on TheDuck since I am allowed to post there (human/anthro sex) and can't post that here.

It is what it is I guess. Personally, I don't think I did anything that prime time TV shows haven't done, and I never drew children having sex/nude but I am still in trouble. I think I am okay now as I talked to the constable the day after their most recent visit and told her everything I had deleted and censored, but time will tell I guess.

If you see anyone ask about the story, You can link to this journal. I didn't want to air the dirty laundry, but I've seen lots of people asking about where the story/Gray have gone.
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Added: 3 months, 1 week ago
 
Fira
3 months, 1 week ago
All I will say is that I hate that some people feel the need to be fun-nazis and that I look forward to the day that the comic can come back.
xephion
3 months, 1 week ago
dude that is absolute bullshit the characters never were shown in porn situation or were even children, beside is fiction that asshole knew how bad canada become with their ridiculous regulations holy crap that person is a monster. but you should get a lawyer your work never was children like and agretsuko is an adult woman
FoxyLove
3 months, 1 week ago
It truly is sad that nowadays idiots are so zealous for destroying things that aren't even what they are but if you go into other areas like politics they will threaten, main or worse.

It shows how humanity can go into a Downward Spiral in stupidity ignorance and worse totally enthralled by the 7 Deadly Sins.
Ironmania2003
3 months, 1 week ago
It really sucks that once again a Asshole hater scared a really cool person into deleting their furry art
LoZeed
3 months, 1 week ago
Honestly people like that can just go die, they are worthless and cause nothing but the suffering of others.
We life in a pretty fucked world where some random nobody can just ruin someone's day for no real reason.
nanokoex
3 months, 1 week ago
Thats cold hearted, now people are getting swatted over art?I swear the human race is teetering on the edge of pure chaos
AlexanderValentine
3 months, 1 week ago
Yep... This world is getting too messed up for it's own good.

And the west is spearheading the collapse.
nanokoex
3 months, 1 week ago
Its only cause no one does research anymore, they just believe what there told
AlexanderValentine
3 months, 1 week ago
Yep. Social media is not a court of law, and I'm hoping Zenia will attempt to open a lawsuit against these accusations.
Even more, Furaffinity itself could be held complicit since they allowed this to happen.

we really need to do something about this cancel culture sneaking into the fandom.
nanokoex
3 months, 1 week ago
Im in america not canada, and even were getting to this point, scary time to live on this planet
AlexanderValentine
3 months, 1 week ago
There's also the chance that in 10-15 years, some of these people might be in power.

The future is getting rather dark, indeed.
Furlips
3 months, 1 week ago
I've mentioned the hazards of cub porn 6 years 8 months ago.
And again comic porn (link to news article broken) 5 year 3 months ago.
And for those of you screaming "my rights!" The only right you have is to get convicted and go to prison.

And for those of you about to accuse me of being an Art-Nazi, don't. I don't have a problem with cub porn.
But I do have an issue with friends of mine getting convicted for it.

Bunners
LoZeed
3 months, 1 week ago
But the thing is the deleted comic didn't have any children in it, furry or otherwise
Tigerfestivals
3 months, 1 week ago
yeah i don't see how this is relavent.
MviluUatusun
3 months, 1 week ago
It's like I've always said.  If someone wants to be offended, they'll be offended by two kittens play fighting.  They'll scream that the video is promoting bullying.  AND if one of the kittens is on the back of the other, then they'll scream cub porn.
Kepora
3 months ago
Pretty much, yeah. :T
CreamPup
3 months, 1 week ago
aah, I hate things like this happening, surely Salty dudes ruin fiction works. but yep, people also complain that killing in videogames will make you a serial murderer too, so yep. kinda spected. too bad, your arts are so adorable and cutely sexy.
JamesWN
3 months, 1 week ago
That guy just keeps escalating shit with artists on furry sites. Shame he didn't actually off himself.
LoZeed
3 months, 1 week ago
He's done this more than once?!
JamesWN
3 months, 1 week ago
He started in on DripRat a while ago.
LoZeed
3 months, 1 week ago
So basically this guy goes around and starts shit on furry websites, for whatever reason.
JamesWN
3 months, 1 week ago
Yep.
LoZeed
3 months, 1 week ago
More people need to know what this guy is up to, and what trouble he causes.
AlexanderValentine
3 months, 1 week ago
I'd like to be in the know. I'd also like to say if you see him do it again, try to get it archived.

Having more than one person sue them for defamation and false accusations... Hope they like the street.
Tigerfestivals
3 months, 1 week ago
what a loser, probably has nothing of value to do in life and so goes on self-righteous internet crusades.
MviluUatusun
3 months, 1 week ago
The definition of a troll.
DragonPen
3 months, 1 week ago
Seriously? What a shitty person...it's horrible that you're going through this insanity and I hope things get better for you soon.
doomcup
3 months, 1 week ago
You did nothing wrong. It's a shame somebody used the color of law to bully you like that.
theallseeingeye
3 months, 1 week ago
not like i can pay for it. i stopped caring about that comic once the paywall came up. sucks what happened to you no one should be punished for making porn
Ainoko
3 months, 1 week ago
Damn, when did @graymuzzle delete his account?
zenia
3 months, 1 week ago
Almost two weeks ago now.
Ainoko
3 months, 1 week ago
Damn, at least I was able to save most of his art and stories via the IB downloader as of 2/25/21, but to to me being homeless for just over a year, I didn't get what he had posted between 10/25/2019 and 32/28/2021
moyomongoose
3 months, 1 week ago
So that's how I lost a watch about two weeks ago.
Tigerfestivals
3 months, 1 week ago
Are drawings of fictional adults in "sexy schoolgirl costumes" really illegal where you live? Unless i misunderstood and you aren't in Canada. Either way its total bullshit if the laws are that overbearing.
zenia
3 months, 1 week ago
According to the constable I talked to... even an adult, say... dressed as a child with pigtails and a lollipop doing porn counts, which I think is absurd. I did promise to "stay away from the line, not just toe it" anymore though. I don't want to go to prison.
moyomongoose
3 months, 1 week ago
I was made aware of Canada's law regarding cub porn almost 9 years ago. The very first furry artiste I had an account on was Yiffy International, which was located in Canada. On that site, I had to be aware not to upload cub porn. And the text in their acceptable upload policy made it clear it is illegal in Canada.
Though I do not live in Canada, and am not subject to Canadian law, I still had to abide by the no cub porn policy in order to not to get perma-banned from Yiffy.

One time I messed up and posted this drawing on Yiffy.


Mint and Karma, who were the site owner and lead administrator, got on my case really bad for that...after they deleted the drawing of course.
Mint had told me, "No CPs please...Read the rules".
Tigerfestivals
3 months, 1 week ago
Thank god i don't live in canada then. I knew it was bad on that front but not that absurd. Though tbf every place has their share of insane or misguided laws.
KathYohneke
3 months, 1 week ago
honestly sounds like they didnt really care and were just trying to fill a quota. if you sought legal action that tune would probably change real quick because, honestly? Im pretty sure Ive seen adult magazines on shelves dressed like that on the cover being sold openly in adult stores and Im in canada.
ThatPoodleFanatic
3 months, 1 week ago
It could be much worse, you could of been of something on only word of mouth like me.  They said I stole OC from someone only with word of mouth as evidence.
TheRealMedley
3 months, 1 week ago
This is exactly why I refuse to draw OC's in compromising positions and why I refuse to draw anything my state deems illegal. Too many zealous crazies out there looking to thought crime people for 2D fictional art.

I have nothing against what ever people do its none of my business and I don't have a say in what 2D fictional art people should or shouldn't enjoy, but for some reason decency laws exist and it limits what I can and can't draw for money or other forms of compensation.

I'm so very sorry this has happened to you, hopefully the cops see this as a waste of time and just leave you alone.
zenia
3 months, 1 week ago
I hope so too... especially because I am sure they could see that I was unaware, and immediately deleted the images.
TheRealMedley
3 months, 1 week ago
I feel nothing but empathy for you, nothing is more terrifying than dealing with the law over something like this, especially when you did nothing wrong... If you need anything just let us, your followers know, so we can help if we can.
Kalibran
3 months, 1 week ago
Do you not have libel laws in Canada?
Dalesql
3 months, 1 week ago
Assholes gotta be asses.    Sorry you had to go through that.   Now ask the police about filing a false police report.  That's a crime where I'm from.
Starshower
2 months, 2 weeks ago
I agree sadly trolls like that jerk make sure to only cause trouble for people they dont live inthe same state or country as they do to avoid getting trouble irl BUT it can be done still i think
Oogiansun5
3 months, 1 week ago
Fuck people like that, ruining stuff for everyone. I hope that person has a miserable life with what they have done.
JayJayTheKitty
3 months, 1 week ago
Welp, that's all kinds of fucked up. And here I thought.... certain eastern parts of the world, were fucked up. And Canada of all places? Fuck. Off. This isn't even a case of a moral grey area of cub stuff getting censored, this is just FICTIONAL CHARACTERS referring to FICTIONAL EVENTS in their FICTIONAL LIVES. Fucking thought police. Because we need to protect people from the IDEA of questionable morality, I guess. Jesus tapdancing Christ that's fucked up.

Thank god those constables were going after the REAL criminals and I guess there's no theft or assault or murder in Canada so they needed something to do???
Chucky
3 months, 1 week ago
This is some scary shit. Sorry to hear for your troubles. I always pictured Canada as being a more tolerant place, I guess that just isn't so.
LordFoxhole
3 months, 1 week ago
The problem is global :  for more than 20 years , this kind of shit also happens in Europe....
Some criminal cases have traumatized public opinion, and the legislation is becoming more and more restrictive.
Chucky
3 months, 1 week ago
That's a real bummer. I noticed the Japanese site Pixiv now requires censor strips over genitals as well. I hope we aren't slipping into a new era of social conservatism where the slightest peek at a nipple will become taboo.
Kepora
3 months ago
That's the problem. They're not tolerant, they're "progressive" - and one of the marks of progressivism is thought crimes.
NinoM4ster
3 months, 1 week ago
fucking bullshit. people still don't understand they are fictional characters

https://youtu.be/SAZYTNlkYk8
MDarrock
3 months, 1 week ago
Mark my words, everyone: Keep an eye on that guy screaming pedophilia everywhere. Virtue signalers tend to be guilty of what they virtue signal about. I'd bet a big box of Timbits that we'll hear his name in a case of pedophilia or child porn again and he'll be on the wrong side of the stand that time. Don't give your good work Zenia, we're your side.

And drawings are just drawings! Screw those totalarian laws!
Kepora
3 months ago
Yeeeeup.
Blameme67
3 months, 1 week ago
Yes cuz fantasy equals reality. My god, get fucking real! Next someone will say if you like snuff art, you're a murderer. Can these people tell fantasy from reality?
Oogiansun5
3 months, 1 week ago
OK, that constable is incorrect. I checked Canada’s laws. No province has such laws in place. I am so sorry this happened
MDarrock
3 months ago
The definition of child pornography under the Criminal Code, Section 163.1:

163.1 (1) In this section, child pornography means

(a)a photographic, film, video or other visual representation, whether or not it was made by electronic or mechanical means,
(i)that shows a person who is or is depicted as being under the age of eighteen years and is engaged in or is depicted as engaged in explicit sexual activity, or
(ii)the dominant characteristic of which is the depiction, for a sexual purpose, of a sexual organ or the anal region of a person under the age of eighteen years;
Can written material be construed as child pornography?
Child pornography is not limited to pictures and video, it can also come in the form of an audio recording or any written material that depicts any person under the age of 18 as a sexual object or promotes sexual activity. This can be found under Section 163.1 (b) and (c) of the Criminal Code:

(b)any written material, visual representation or audio recording that advocates or counsels sexual activity with a person under the age of eighteen years that would be an offence under this Act;
(c)any written material whose dominant characteristic is the description, for a sexual purpose, of sexual activity with a person under the age of eighteen years that would be an offence under this Act;
We have defended a number of clients who have written emails or text messages to minors who have faced charges of making child pornography as a result of the content of those documents.
KathYohneke
2 months, 4 weeks ago
that seems a little vague honestly.
MDarrock
3 months ago
I think it's a load of bull...
Oogiansun5
3 months ago
well DAMN
marmelmm
3 months ago
Tcha!  Well, I'll keep following you on Patreon.  Hang in there...
Kepora
3 months ago
" I deleted the comic from TheDuck and got rid of any even somewhat (adults dressed in 'sexy schoolgirl' costumes, sexy chibis, the Aggretsuko fanart, etc) content that I had created because apparently even that counts as child porn in Canada according to the police.


THAT'S the part that burns my britches the most, people who don't know a damned thing making serious accusations/calls like that on shit they don't understand. That's censorious as fuck. Making a personal view/interpretation a legal one is NOT okay.
wallarooblacke
2 months, 3 weeks ago
Would be even funnier if the accusers had THEIR computers searched
and be faced with the SAME PUNISHMENT as their accused.

Kinda karmic, huh?
wallarooblacke
2 months, 3 weeks ago
Is Akhazita that purple wolf on FA? They didn't get rid of him there. Nothing short of Prohibition.
I blocked him on FA, in case he starts sniffing around my site, even though I have nothing like that
on FA, like that kind of art is permitted there.

And I was wondering what had happened to that comic Greymuzzle made. We need wet blankets
and hypocrites like that anywhere on any art site.
Starshower
2 months, 2 weeks ago
You did nothing wrong. and from what you said you never broke any laws. i would just wait for things to settle. make your submissions viewable for friends only for the time being and you could probably report this guy for harassment maybe even have him charged irl i think.as for FA people there are so toxic they are radioactive,  your better off sticking to sofurry and here
wollypegger
2 months ago
I do hope Graymuzzle is doing okay.
yuckytea
1 month, 2 weeks ago
Oooof this is why I'm so hesitant on drawing FNF rule 34, most of the characters are 18+ but they're stylized to be chibi. I hope Graymuzzle's doing okay.
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