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Killjoy

Talking ferals vs normal critters

I recently got into a conversation over a topic with an artist about the community's view of ferals (specially in art) and was curious what other people thought about the subject. Furries are basically just talking animals that stand up right so if you took away the standing upright part, they'd be the average Disney animals (think lion king), right? Now lets go a bit more into it and ask what about Disney animal sidekicks who can not talk but are obviously above "animal" intelligence (like Sven from Frozen or even Meeko from Pocahontas)? How do you view them? Are they on the same level as the talking animals of Bambi or because they lack the ability to "speak" does that make them lesser?
Now for the real question: What level is ok to get adult pictures with? Obviously its fine to get pics of your furry character with "furry" Disney characters (maybe a little off legally, in some cases) but what about with like say adult Nala from lion king? This goes more towards the old consent argument, I think, in that Nala could clearer say yes or no when asked for sex and understand what sex is so despite being a quadruped, there shouldn't be reservations with doing her, right? Now what about the non-vocal critters? They clearly demonstrate a near human level of intelligence as they seem to understand speech and can act in ways "simple" animals couldn't, preforming complex tasks and such. As such they would pass the three checks on the Harkness test: Does it have human level intelligence or greater? Can it talk or otherwise communicate with language (think Ash understanding Pikachu)? Is it of a sexual maturity for its species?

Thoughts?
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Added: 3 years, 8 months ago
 
MystBunny
3 years, 8 months ago
This artist. If the name begins with a K, i think i know who you're talking about. Fantasy is fantasy. I say anything goes with any and all fictional characters. You don't choose your kinks just as you don't choose your sexual orientation.
Lloxie
3 years, 8 months ago
This.
Killjoy
3 years, 8 months ago
Nope, not a K and they weren't against it, was pointing out some folks on twitter or else where complaining about it. Fiction and Fantasy are just that and if you want to dick a toaster that smiled at you, that's fine with me. I guess perhaps it might have been better had I asked for people who have feral characters to chime in on this one. What I was trying to get at is does the community at large accept non-talking ferals so long as they are smart and can express themselves through their actions or do most look down on them as one might think of racism in a sense? Sort of a furry version of the uncanny valley theory.
MystBunny
3 years, 8 months ago
If by community you mean inkbunny, i'd say that with few exceptions we're very much pro-fantasy. If you mean the entire furry community.. eh.. well... this is why i stick to inkbunny
esanhusky
3 years, 8 months ago
I think the rest of us shouldn't suffer because some people don't understand fantasy vs reality.  Just because the Woke atheists have adopted the biblical attitude of "If you've sinned in thought, you've sinned in deed" doesn't mean it's any more relevant to the real world
charphin
3 years, 8 months ago
Where does orange start and yellow end is my position on this, there is definitely points where its just animal porn and a point where your talking about four legged people, but trying to define a hard line is not going to work.
ShaneAndCo
3 years, 8 months ago
It's art. It doesn't matter.
Netreek
3 years, 8 months ago
Reminds me a bit of Tom and Jerry, where both couldn't talk, but Spike, Jerry's Nephew, some other cats could all talk.
keeshah
3 years, 8 months ago
Tom could and did talk in several episodes.
Usually when courting the female cat.
ZwolfJareAlt306
3 years, 8 months ago
I'm ok with pawing off dogs IRL, so you can guess where I stand on art...
KimaSaiyan
3 years, 8 months ago
I'd say if they can speak and reason, they're as fine as an anthro fur. I mean, they can consent to humping and all the rest, right?
Killjoy
3 years, 8 months ago
I just realized the Shrek movies are a great example of my question. You start with the "furries" like the pigs or big bad wolf or 3 blind mice, move down to puss in boots who switches between feral and furry, then you have donkey who's feral but talks, then dragon who is feral and doesn't talk (but emotes, understands speech and demonstrates high levels of IQ), then you have the horses the knights are riding who are feral and don't talk and act like normal animals.
KimaSaiyan
3 years, 8 months ago
yeah, that's a pretty good example of a movie with many diferent examples!

for a handy rule of thumb, use the harkness test:

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/505/34...

For your examples, the pigs, BB wolf, the mice, puss and donkey would easly qualify for it.

question 2 might be a bit harder for Dragon, but since she's clearly able to emote and answer questions, we could treat her as "mute", and simly have her nod in agreement to get a good donkey dicking.

The knight's horses, on the other hand, would probably fall into feral, unless they have a scene where they spit their reigns and tell their knights to fuck off.
DeltaDynamics
3 years, 8 months ago
If you ask me, it's all a question of personal taste. You either like it or you don't. It makes no sense to justify the decision with reasons why and spinning a story around it. In the end of the day you just set a visual stimulus to viewer or you want the artist do it for you, because you want it. Some people like it, some not. I personally don't like MLP stuff, the masses of shemales floating around or all that vore stuff, but I don't complain or let others explain why they think it's acceptable. I just look away and enjoy the liberty to choose what I or others can draw or view.
Vuk91
3 years, 8 months ago
I say, that it's all fantasy (tho some do practice it irl, and that is what the controversy is about), and I say, as long a it stays in drawing and doesn't involve a living victim, it's fair play. No matter what anyone says on Twitter, you should stand your ground on that ground. Draw what you want. Leave censorship to nazis. I mean, if ReedFlower and other Youtubers can have a crush on KOVU from LION KING, who is FERAL, meaning they have a BESTIALITY CRUSH by the logic of some, then you can make porn of KOVU in his feral self any way YOU LIKE! I mean, it's Twitter, littered full of annoying tweets like:

DRUGS ARE BAD OKAY?
DRUGS ARE BAD OKAY?
DRUGS ARE BAD OKAY?
DRUGS ARE BAD OKAY?
DRUGS ARE BAD OKAY?

... which really puts me off siding with whoever tweets these, and yes, I did suffer having to write that myself! Way to convince others to support the eternal and pointless chase of a perfect world... by annoying them to the depths of hell while cracking open their eyes for good measure. The Jackasses! If my example above hurt your eyes too, tell me.

We literally have videogames where we torture, kill, mangle and cripple people often innocent ones too if GTA and Postal is to count. We literally have games where you're left to your own devices to do whatever morbid thing you want, even if the gore is reduced. Sure,these games did have a small time to insult the morality of the overly sensitive, but think, those controversies were forgotten by now. Carmageddon sure did stir drama, and got censored when it first came out, but the latest Carmageddon game came out with the same brutality, if not more convincing ones, and see? Nothing. So whose business is whatever you want to draw again? The answer is... nobody. People should mind their own business. Don't let it be their business! Like, at all!
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