Yeah, if he really didn't want all this, could've said no and push her away. Not like he was tied down and struggled. Same goes the other way too. If you don't say no and don't even try to fight back, it's kinda hard to argue that only the other party wanted all to happen.
Yeah, if he really didn't want all this, could've said no and push her away. Not like he was tied do
"It's not rape because they didn't struggle" is a hell of a take I didn't expect to see in this comic, but here we are. There's such a thing as taking advantage of someone, even if you don't physically dominate them in that moment. That being said, regretting it afterwards doesn't mean the consent you did give is suddenly absent.
"It's not rape because they didn't struggle" is a hell of a take I didn't expect to see in this comi
I just don't like the assumption that because he didn't struggle against her advances, he was as consenting and enthusiastic as she was. Power dynamics and pressure are a factor to be considered, though I guess you're right that I shouldn't have taken it to the extreme for the sake of demonstrating a point.
I just don't like the assumption that because he didn't struggle against her advances, he was as con
Power dinamic does apply, though they're pretty much equal, bein siblings, and twins at that. So his sister shouldn't have an upper hand in things, unless he lets her. And that she's a girl, doesn't really means much in terms of mutual consent.
But my point was mostly about the fact that he didn't show any kind of disconsent at the time, so he has no solid ground in accusing her of it being only what SHE wanted. He wanted it as well, fair and square. It's okay to have second thoughts later, but you've made your choice AT THE MOMENT, gotta own at least SOME of the consequences, even if you were pushed into it. Piling all of the responsibility on his sister is quite immature, and she's kinda right - if he has the balls, he gotta say a firm NO.
Again, not all situations are ever the same, but my general message was - if someone did the deed, enjoyed it, and then blame everything on the second party, they're just as much in the wrong, cuz consent, even under pressure, been given. I know how filthy that feels, my EXes pressured me into swearing to "be forever loyal", and even say simole "I love you", without meanig, only to later spin it out of proportion against me. But saying those things, and trying to accomodate to my promisses for the manipulative gfs, time and time again, was MY mistake, not specifically solely their fault.
I hope that makes my message more clear for understanding.
Power dinamic does apply, though they're pretty much equal, bein siblings, and twins at that. So his
It's a correct take. Unless the non-initiating party is being threatened, a lack of struggling is a form of passive consent. If you don't want it to happen, give a clear and firm "No!", physically push them away, or otherwise express an unambiguous objection.
Threats need not be violence, a boss at a job could threaten to fire the non-initiating party, or a blackmailer could threaten to release sensitive information, and it'd still be rape even without a struggle, because the non-initiating party is being coerced. This is not the case in the comic, nor were any objections voiced.
Likewise, the comment you responded to didn't imply that a mere lack of a physical struggle makes something not rape, they were very clear in specifying the complete lack of any clear objections.
You are, therefore, very clearly in the wrong here.
It's a correct take. Unless the non-initiating party is being threatened, a lack of struggling is a
You do make a good point about the in-comic situation not being what I described, maybe I was wrong to bring my objections up under such light. Still, he did just say he didn't really want to lose his virginity to her, and she's just... seemingly not caring at all because hey, he apparently consented at the time, and it's what she wants. That's a sign of incredible narcascism, and he should stay the hell away from her. Dude's gotta learn how to say no.
You do make a good point about the in-comic situation not being what I described, maybe I was wrong
I don't think I agree with that, but it's at least a reasonable point to make. I see why you would think that, and you may even turn out to be right, but the evidence on display here is not enough to convince me personally. Not yet. A lot of people here seem to be thinking that he's being unreasonable, because he's describing the situation as if she was the sole initiator and kinda strong-armed him into it, when in the previous comic it very much looked like a fully mutual thing. So maybe they're both somewhat in the wrong. She's too dismissive of his regrets, he's shifting blame onto her, both are unhealthy behaviours.
I don't think I agree with that, but it's at least a reasonable point to make. I see why you would t
10 years ago, I was with a girl. I didn't say no. Because, it was a pretty girl, and she was horny. Guys aren't supposed to say no when they're offered, right? And yeah, it felt nice, really good even, but it didn't sit right with me. But that was just me being silly. I mean, I got laid! I'm supposed to feel happy about it! So I let her do it again. It's what guys do with a girl that wants it. It's 'being a man.' But it still left me feeling awful afterwards. She was happy, but I wasn't. But it's not like she FORCED me, right? Guys are supposed to want sex! I mean, I was bigger. I could have stopped her... but I didn't.
But I should have. I let her use me. And for the last 10 years, it has fucked with my head. It's only a VERY recent thing that I feel comfortable enough to even talk about it. Was that rape? I genuinely don't have that answer. But I haven't let myself even get close to anyone ever since, so it'll never happen again!
Don't write off someone's genuine apprehension to their own actions. Yes, you have to accept the consequences, but you also have to look at the context. "You wanted it!" vs "I took advantage of your moment of weakness." I just hope they do get past this quickly, because the silly porn comic I like has started to feel a little too close to my reality...
10 years ago, I was with a girl. I didn't say no. Because, it was a pretty girl, and she was horny.
Obviously, not every case is supposed to be outright labeled as "rape or no rape", the world is not black and white after all. The one commenter above took my point straight to the dire left field, when mine only scratched the surface of the issue.
The point of my comment is more about "you both wanted it initially, why do you paint it like only she pushed you towards the decidion?" If he trully didn't want it to happen, all he had to do is push her away. Same goes for the other party, in similar situations.
But yeah, guys "supposed to never say no and always want sex". It's a fucked up double standart that persists through ages. And if a girl consents to sex, she could easily say later that it was "rape", cuz only guys want sex.
Sorry to hear that your experience left you scarred so much, hope you'll manage to get through it and find someone that'd do right by you.
Obviously, not every case is supposed to be outright labeled as "rape or no rape", the world is not
Yeah, I get what you were saying, and I didn't mean to sound as if I was saying you were being rude or anything so trite. Sorry, it just struck a personal nerve. No hard feelings meant, or taken. And that's all I'll say on it, since I've filled Ratcha's comment box enough with my nonsense.
Yeah, I get what you were saying, and I didn't mean to sound as if I was saying you were being rude
Responding to this specifically to give a second outside perspective. The comment from NeksusCat didn't read like they're completely dismissing the regret on display here, but merely criticizing the character for seemingly trying to shift blame onto the other party.
As for whether what happened to you was rape, try to view, not the same situation, but a similar one, from the other perspective. You like someone. They don't seem to dislike you. You try to push for something, and you don't notice that they're having doubts, or you think they'll be happy with it once it's happened, and they don't stop you. Years later, you find out that they deeply regret the whole experience. Should you go to prison and get labelled as a sex offender for doing what you thought was going to be a mutually fulfilling experience?
I don't know if that person was genuinely taking advantage of your moment of weakness, like you seem to be implying, or if the situation is more like my hypothetical scenario. If she took advantage of you, that's FUCKED. UP. I won't deny that. But do consider the implications of allowing "sex that one party regrets" to become equivalent to "rape".
Responding to this specifically to give a second outside perspective. The comment from NeksusCat did
It's... complicated. Because nothing can be simple. I probably did comment a little harsher than I should have, but it struck a nerve and I felt I should say something for once. Still, I won't be going on about it, since this isn't my art to go on long diatribes in the comments of.
It's... complicated. Because nothing can be simple. I probably did comment a little harsher than I s
I can’t say I haven’t seen this behavior before (gals and guys both).
She’s just the type of sister to push him into doing the deed again. Or, he ends up the bad guy by forcing himself on her in anger. I’m getting a vibe that she wants to breed badly, and he doesn’t!
I can’t say I haven’t seen this behavior before (gals and guys both). She’s just the type of sister
Assuming this universe's moral logic runs similar to ours...
It's more accurate that he's conflicted, he was raised in a society that says incest is wrong and worthy of going to hell for. He knows he liked fucking her and that's what's making him feel conflicted. He's thinking: "Fucking my sister is wrong yet I enjoyed every single second of being balls deep inside her, why?!."
He may also be attempting to piece together his emotional state after all this since his first time was with his sister and he's unsure if he loves her as a sister or loves her as a lover at this point.
Assuming this universe's moral logic runs similar to ours... It's more accurate that he's conflicte
You know that if she ended up pregnant, she would flip the discussion around to be all "hey, this is YOUR fault for screwing me!" as if she wasn't the instigator...
I diagnose her with narcissistic personality disorder.
You know that if she ended up pregnant, she would flip the discussion around to be all "hey, this is
Reading over the comments here, I've gotta say that I'm really not a fan of considering a past sexual encounter to be rape after the fact simply because regrets were had about it later.
Reading over the comments here, I've gotta say that I'm really not a fan of considering a past sexua
Same. No matter the amount you regret what happened, it doesn't absolve a person of giving consent, even under pressure. If a person enjoyed the sex, haven't been beaten and restrained in order to get sex, then they're gotta own to it. Imagine if you did something in life, didn't like it, then go to blame everyone around for "taking advantage". It doesn't work like that, it's very immature.
Though sister acts as a narcissistic and manipulative bitch too, in this page. Hope the conflict won't flip out of proportion. It was quite a fun and silly incest porn comic so far.
Same. No matter the amount you regret what happened, it doesn't absolve a person of giving consent,
And this is why rape cases tended to sided with the females
Even my country's judicial law's definition of rape is a copulation acts between a male or female "WITHOUT THE CONSENT BY THE FEMALE". And don't get me started on the same sex relationship
Yet ironically this country try to solve the male sex abuse cases, and even have sexual assault where female is still can be convicted, yet the rape law is still broken
And this is why rape cases tended to sided with the females Even my country's judicial law's defini
Funnily enough there are places where their relationship would constitute a felony offense, even if one of them wasn't having regrets about what was done. So either way they can't win.
Funnily enough there are places where their relationship would constitute a felony offense, even if
Unfortunately not in my, where you can even marry your sister... have kids with her and no one will mind. And it's even often counted as "old-fashioned' and traditional.
Unfortunately not in my, where you can even marry your sister... have kids with her and no one will
So in your country sex that's regretted after the fact is considered rape and is illegal... but fucking your sister and having kids with her is perfectly legal and considered socially acceptable...
That explains way more about your country than it has any business doing.
So in your country sex that's regretted after the fact is considered rape and is illegal... but fuck
Lul, not acceptable, they just don't give a fuck, if they're not your relatives most of the time. East European culture is sometimes... crazy, but that's fine.
Lul, not acceptable, they just don't give a fuck, if they're not your relatives most of the time. Ea
whats weird was that they both started the relationship. heck he did things to get things going more than her. Im guessing he was fine with things till she tried to get mom involved. but even after that looking back at the original he was still fine initally.
whats weird was that they both started the relationship. heck he did things to get things going more
