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Well, for one, a political party isn't a geographic region. More over, if it was meant to be interpreted as specifically China, I have to side with Trump on this one. It's a virus. That came from China. That makes it a Chinese virus.

If it came from America it would be and American virus. That's not how racism works.

HattieTheHat

3 years, 3 months ago

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@ JayJayTheKitty

Calling it the "CCP Virus" is what's racist. If it had come from America, calling it the "USA Virus" would be racist. Don't call a virus after the country it came from. That's not fair. Calling the corona virus "the China Virus" or "the CCP Virus" implies the narrative that the Chinese government created the virus on purpose to use as a weapon, which can't be proven, and is unfair.

Darckwolf

3 years, 3 months ago

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So.. a political party is a race? I think you have racism on the brain and have no idea what it means anymore. Also, just to help you out more, a geographical origin point isn't a race either. Accuracy in speech isn't being 'unfair' or racist. Calling everything racist is just stupid. Don't be that person.

HattieTheHat

3 years, 3 months ago

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Racism is things that harm a specific race of people, intentionally or not. Yes, unintentional racism is a real thing. And casting blame on a country's government, or pointing out what country's land something came from, can have harmful effects on the country's people. Why? Because there are people who conflate people with the country they're from. People who see the words "CCP Virus" and think "Chinese people bad because the virus is their fault." It's just better to not call Covid 19 "CCP Virus" or "China Virus." Who does it benefit to call it "CCP Virus"? Nobody.

Darckwolf

3 years, 3 months ago

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What that line of nonsense is, is an excuse to call anything that upsets you 'racist'. Congrats.. guess you really are that person.

HattieTheHat

3 years, 3 months ago

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It's not about me being upset, it's about people being harmed.

Darckwolf

3 years, 3 months ago

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Uh huh. For the record, your definition of racism is part of the problem. Expanded to include anything perceived to be 'harm' including accurate descriptions of points of origin is insane. Not to mention the other ridiculous ways the term is used these days. Here I'll help you out on what actual racism is. Dictionary definition:

"A belief that race is a fundamental determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race."

HattieTheHat

3 years, 3 months ago

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You're just using semantics to get away with saying "CCP Virus" instead of "Covid 19" or "Corona Virus." But why? Do you really have that much hatred in your heart?

Darckwolf

3 years, 3 months ago

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.... what? You can't counter the definition of racism when presented with it so.. I have hatred in my heart over a non-racist joke name used? I could not care less about the CCP joke. It simply wasn't racist as you falsely claimed. Do you have that much of a need to be offended in your heart?

HattieTheHat

3 years, 3 months ago

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I'm not offended, I just don't want people to be hurt by harmful "jokes". An insidious result of jokes is that they can justify really crappy behavior and attitudes in some people's minds. They numb people to compassion and empathy. And this particular joke leads people to treat chinese people (and sometimes even people who just look chinese) like crap.

And if you "could not care less" about the """joke""", then why did you respond to me four times? Or are you just adamant about defending JayJay?

Darckwolf

3 years, 3 months ago

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Quite simple. Because what does bother me is false or even nefarious cries of racism over anything that someone wants to find offensive, even those like you pretending to be doing so in defense of others feelings.

HattieTheHat

3 years, 3 months ago

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I'm not pretending to feel empathy, it's genuine. If I didn't actually care about protecting people from harm, I would've dropped this already. This is fucking tiresome. But I care too much about this to call it quits.

Senet

3 years, 3 months ago

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It's funny how everyone in this generation tries to call a virus racist. It's a freaking virus! It has no race or gender! So do we now call Ebola racist? What about the Spanish Flu or the West Nile Virus? These viruses originated from those places therefore they are called that. Stop trying to push propaganda on things so meaningless like this.

Instead of calling the virus that originated in China racist, DEMAND the CCP to reveal and show the lies and deceit they pushed on the world. That Government did everything in their power to silence anyone that tried to reveal the truth. They dared to play god and now sadly the entire world has to suffer for their ignorance.

HattieTheHat

3 years, 3 months ago

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@ Senet

WTF? I didn't say the virus itself was racist. That's asinine. I said that a person calling the virus "the CCP Virus" is racist. You do not need to call it "CCP Virus" or "China Virus" for people to know what you're talking about. You can call it "Covid 19" or "Corona Virus" and communicate just fine.

Also, instead of dwelling on the past, which can't be changed and helps no one, we should focus our attention on the future, and what we can do to make things better.

RaccoonRanch

3 years, 3 months ago

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@ N3CR0M4NC3R

intentionally or not (which still has to be discovered) china is responsible for covid 19, as they are for bird flu, h1n1 and porcine fever. among other plagues. so, yeah. at this point, china is being more racist towards us by not having a real sanitary program to keep these plagues away, and then gettinnway with murder, again, intentional or not. so, yeah, ccp virus is more than correct.

HattieTheHat

3 years, 3 months ago

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@ RaccoonRanch

There's literally no reason to not call Covid 19 anything other than "Covid 19" or "the Corona Virus," except to sound edgy or cast blame, which isn't helpful and is only cruel. And to imply that the Chinese government intentionally created Covid 19 isn't helpful either, unless your intention is to stir up hate.

RaccoonRanch

3 years, 3 months ago

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i said intentional OR not. i am not assuming either, because, again, we dont know, but, china has a very long record of spreading diseases, as i mentioned before, apparently. people forgot about h1n1 and others.

covid 19 is just another one in the list. so, yeah, i think it's time to start pointing at the responsible. again, INTENTIONAL OR NOT. the point here is, people died, many people. and, honestly, i think we should worry less about how "racist" it would be to point at the responsible (voluntary or not, i wanna make this point clear, since you obviously didnt get it.) and ask some form of compensation. the virus came from china, so, yeah....it's china's responsibility, this is not about racism, this is about responsibility. use racism as a shield does not bring back the people that died for a disease.

i dont need to sound edgy, nor stir up hate. what we all need is closure, responsibles must pay for their crime (intentional or not, i wont stop saying this, so you understand what i mean.) people died, white people, black people, asian people, covid 19 didnt discriminate colors. so we can't defend the responsibles based upon the "it's racism if you point at the guilty ones" argument. somehting that must already be left behind, use racism as a card on any argument is out of fashion.

HattieTheHat

3 years, 3 months ago

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@ RaccoonRanch

"some form of compensation"? "responsibles must pay for their crime"? I sure hope you aren't talking about violent actions here.

Also, it's most likely the unhygienic and cramped conditions of factory farms which lead to viruses mutating and becoming zoonotic, farms which humans all around the world employ. It should be the responsibility of all humans everywhere to do their part in reducing and hopefully ending the pandemic, instead of saddling a single country with all of it.

ElfenSciuridae

3 years, 3 months ago

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Calling it "CCP Virus" is not racist because CCP stands for the Chinese Community Party - the single party system of the nation of China and its government, not its people. The CCP does not care about you and would want you under its control. Period. The people and their culture is not their government. If you can not sort this out in your brain then you need to go back to school and learn about the differences between people's cultures and governments.

I called it the 'CCP Virus' as many of my friend do, many of them from China (both the People's Republic and the Democratic Republic - if you know the difference). dare to call them racist? And whether YOU like it or not, I am not going to change it. And anyone who points to Krezz and tell him to change it will be dealing with me. He only quoted what I said as a quote not as agreeing in that I said. If you do not like it, you do not have to eat it.

HattieTheHat

- I'm going to PM you a Youtube video showing what the CCP and the PLA (The People's Liberation Army, the military arm of the CCP) is nothing short of Biological warfare against the rest of the planet. So it they who should pay up for the damages and deaths that they caused. If you refuse to look at this video, then you are _________ and __________ as ever.

I wrote a Thanks to Krezz for this excellent piece of art and all you can do is criticize whether the use of one word that I put up is racist? You are some sick people and should be locked up in reeducation facilities because your first round of childhood education has came out tainted with some serious hate mantra.

HattieTheHat

3 years, 3 months ago

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Do you not understand how words can incite people to commit acts of violence? Some people can be very impressionable. And they can be too stupid, rash, or indiscriminate enough to conflate a government with its people and misdirect their race and violence. This is what racist words do. I don't like people using racist words because of violent people who react to them. And me looking the other way would not make that stop.

And I did watch the YouTube video you sent me. It was just one source though, and my mother taught me to never believe something that has only one source, as it may be biased. And, as you are making a positive claim that the CCP and PLA are using viruses as weapons, the burden of proof is on you.

ElfenSciuridae

3 years, 3 months ago

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Please, I live in NYC and see and interact with it all the time because of such misplaced entitlement. I have been bullied and fought against it for much of my life. I have worked hard against even at times put my life in front of others to help them and do not make excuses for not doing what is right for all, not some or the selected few - but for all.

Actually you have two sources if you dare to go after the second - the book mentioned in the video. It will give you a lot more detail on how it was planned and in reflection of the past year's history - how is was executed. That reflection will be your third source.

HattieTheHat

3 years, 3 months ago

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Surely you must know saying things that incite violence isn't doing what is right for all.

ElfenSciuridae

3 years, 3 months ago

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We live in a violent world, and have to take violent action to get things done. We use violence to enforce the law with arrest and imprisonment to those who would break the law for their selfish gain. We use violence to save lives. From pounding on one's chest hard to get their heart beating again to sticking a blade into somebody's body to cut open an area that needs medical attention too. Even the act of procreation and birth is a violent act. That act of Death through it various causes is indeed violent without saying. Without it we would not be humans in a human world doing human things. And this is light compared to the animal world where you have to kill or be killed everyday in order to survive.

But there is Violence needed to live and survive and there is Senseless Violence. There is a difference where one is needed and the other is not required except in the commission of crimes and personal demented entertainment. No one can live a non-violent life as life is nothing but a series of conflicts of violence. It is how we deal with it that makes us better than most.

So if words incite violence, then so be it. You are either a leader and creator of those words or a mindless follower of them. In the end it is up to you to deal with this as you see fit. As for me, in a world where one is damned for doing and damned for not doing, I rather be damned for doing than for not.

HattieTheHat

3 years, 3 months ago

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You perceive the world as being a violent place because your brain is just wired that way, or you've been indoctrinated into it, or something. I feel sorry for you that you can't see the truth. Other than those highly specific medical examples, diplomacy, negotiation, regulation and other non-violent solutions will suffice. And there are non-violent methods of procreation too, though clearly you wouldn't know any of them.

ElfenSciuridae

3 years, 3 months ago

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Thank god that it has been a crazy week. But this needs to be said.

Stop being an Entitled A-Hole, Hattie. You have a history of taking a subject and twisting it about to make yourself look good and shame others like myself. If you came to where I lived in - El Barrio at 110th Street and Lexington Avenue NYC, you would not last 15 minutes there. Everyday somebody is getting shot or stabbed there, once a month somebody is pushed into the train tracks in the subway below. Crime and violence here is so high it is not even mentioned on the news unless it disastrous, like this event last year that killed a hero motorman (aka. train engineer) who evacuated everyone out of the train and station before the flames got to him. Lenox Avenue is only 4 blocks blocks away from Lexington and is part of the community where I live. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_New_York_City_Subway...

What bothers me is that you took the representation of this art and twisted it to fit your criteria of political injustices when you do not even know half the story that is happening on the world stage. This was was to give thanks to all the Essential Workers, from truck drivers, store workers, restaurant workers, emergency services, hospital workers and so on. It is not about politicizing and shaming the original poster (me) about the use the phrase "CCP Virus" as Covod-19 did originate in Wuhan China in one of the research labs, not from a bat or pangoline as some of their news releases said it came from.

You are wrong in doing this - you took away the intended message of thanks because you are so entitled to prove a point that has nothing to do with giving thanks for the people who help us all everyday and put themselves on the line to make sure we get the goods and services for our care and well being of our everyday lives. You try to shame in in my usage of words, you need to go back to school because your obvious education is very lacking and tied up heavily with entitlement.

So enough about this tirade. Continue with your personal shit here, and I will discuss with the admin about your behavior and attitude and what actions to be taken.

To all of you Essential Workers out there - from me, Thank you! Especially you

Dragonzero

, being your friend I know you working at the hospital is not an easy one for you during this time. I'll be around in those times you need somebody to talk too. That is why I had Krezz commissioned for this work for you, and he did an excellent job.

HattieTheHat

3 years, 3 months ago

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Stop standing up for people who get hurt by callous words, attitudes, and actions? I think not. Also, shaming is an appropriate and proportionate counter to harmful words.

It bothers me that you took the representation of this art and pointed at the CCP when mentioning Covid 19 when that wasn't at all necessary, because of your conspiracy theory. It makes you look petty and vengeful. I agree that our essential workers should be thanked for all they do for us. It shouldn't be about shaming the CCP for something you're convinced they did. You are wrong in doing this - you took away the intended message of thanks because you are so entitled to prove a point that has nothing to do with giving thanks for the people who help us all everyday and put themselves on the line to make sure we get the goods and services for our care and well being of our everyday lives.

I don't believe I need more brainwashing and indoctrination from the US education system. But from what I've seen, there's less of it today than there was when I went to school, and less when I went to school than there was when you went to school. And in 10 or 20 years, there'll be less of it than there is today, because societal values tend to move more progressive with each generation.

Go ahead, say whatever you want to the admins. I seem to recall you attempting to get AcidSkunkWolf kicked off of InkBunny, and he's still here. I'm not worried.

ElfenSciuridae

3 years, 3 months ago

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You crossed the line Hattie, on more than several occasions.

"	HattieTheHat wrote:
	I don't believe I need more brainwashing and indoctrination from the US education system. But from what I've seen, there's less of it today than there was when I went to school, and less when I went to school than there was when you went to school. And in 10 or 20 years, there'll be less of it than there is today, because societal values tend to move more progressive with each generation.

This alone says you need to go back to school and relearn the basics. No such world as "There'll" as both auto-correct on the browser and on MS Word is marking it wrong.

Secondly, you do not know nor understand the separation of a people, their culture and their government. CCP is the Chinese Communist Party, it is not the Chinese people nor it is their culture. It is their government that 1) created the virus, 2) released the virus onto the world, 3) lied that they are the cause of the spread of the virus, 4) blamed others for it, first it was Italy that spread it, then the USA, then the USA Army, then (now) Canada. They also tried to blame it on the consumption of game animals like bats and Pangolans. 5) They have lied about the severity of the virus, denying that they have over 21million dead so far, saying that they a few thousand infected.

But no, you say calling the "CCP Virus" is racist, as it is not because the CCP is the Chinese Government, not the people of China. calling it the "CCP Virus" says that it came from China, not Hong Kong and not Taiwan - areas of self governing people who are also Chinese. So according to you, if I called you a Democrat, then I am being racist in calling you as a member of an American Political Party. You say anything against this statement then you logic fails, and it show how much of an uneducated fool you, and that is an insult to uneducated fools everywhere to include you into their group.

You need to go back to school and learn the basics of people, culture, government, society and race - in a called known as Social Studies because you are very lacking in these skills.

HattieTheHat wrote:

It bothers me that you took the representation of this art and pointed at the CCP when mentioning Covid 19 when that wasn't at all necessary, because of your conspiracy theory. It makes you look petty and vengeful. I agree that our essential workers should be thanked for all they do for us. It shouldn't be about shaming the CCP for something you're convinced they did. You are wrong in doing this - you took away the intended message of thanks because you are so entitled to prove a point that has nothing to do with giving thanks for the people who help us all everyday and put themselves on the line to make sure we get the goods and services for our care and well being of our everyday lives.

Until here, you said nothing about thanking the essential workers, and took it upon your self to push the issue of racism where it does not belong. You want to see racism in action, you come to where I live and I'll take you to places you will not be allowed in because of the color of your skin, the mode of your dress or the way you carry yourself. If you refuse to take this challenge, then you are nothing more than a coward in top of being everything I stated so far. And I dare say it because as in my life and career choices I had to deal with people with preferred to see me dead on the side of he road and try to make their everyday lives better or save their lives from the actions that they took. In my time I did my best to help people out from the goodness of my heart and the strength my body has to offer. What have you done in your lifetime? According to your statements in the stream - I rather not post it such words here to face your face from embarrassment.

And here again you are not able to separate truth from fact from opinion from conspiracy theories. You are using words incorrectly to trying to prove a point that...

HattieTheHat

3 years, 3 months ago

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First off,
https://www.quora.com/Is-therell-gramatically-correct-o...

Do you not know that racism is scattershot and affects both people AND government, even if only aimed at one and not the other? Just because you only intended to harm a government doesn't mean that's all it'll do. That's pie-in-the-sky. It WILL effect the people too, whether you want it to or not. It'll also effect people who superficially look like the people affected. Violent people aren't going to stop and ask, "Are you really from China, and not Hong Kong or Taiwan?"

I used to be Democrat, but then I moved to the left.

I'm not made of money, so I can only go on one vacation a year. You can be darn sure I'm gonna go someplace fun with that one vacation, somewhere like a theme park. And there are still eight theme parks on my bucket list, plus two I want to re-visit.

You say I'm using words incorrectly and need to go back to school?

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ElfenSciuridae

3 years, 3 months ago

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... does not exist. All this proves is that you need to go back to school and relearn a lot of thing that are missing from your basic education. And don't you dare say that you were "home schooled" because if you do, you just insulted your parents and your home school teachers in doing an incomplete job with your education and only did enough to pass an exam that would give you a piece of paper with the word "Diploma" on it which equals in value to a roll of toilet paper.

You are not capable of separating the basic concepts and ideas about the classifications of people and their groups says a lot about you and your level of education. Your unwillingness to go out and learn shows that you are entitled and believe that you are right and everyone is wrong.

"	HattieTheHat wrote:
	Go ahead, say whatever you want to the admins. I seem to recall you attempting to get AcidSkunkWolf kicked off of InkBunny, and he's still here. I'm not worried.

There are things about AcidSkunkWolf that YOU are not privy too. So do not assume that nothing was done because something was done. It is that you are not aware of what was done.

HattieTheHat

3 years, 3 months ago

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I wasn't homeschooled.

I know that Acid didn't get kicked off of InkBunny. And I'm still not worried, so do your worst.

HattieTheHat

3 years, 3 months ago

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