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by bbmbbf
vi sculpture
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My Figures (14/Oct/2016)
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Well. the scultures that i'm producing are actually digital made (zbrush) and 3d printed, before going to be painted with traditional tool, I think people know that, but the common idea is that a 3d printer gives you a ready model to be painted and that's not exact,   as you can see on the first photo the model is printed splited in parts, you have to prepare the file first,  make some parts like clothes bolder in order to have a strong printable structure, and of course split, which includes created knobs/pegs and holes where the parts will be fit,  there's some reasons because I do this, 1- it allows you to paint it more easily since is easier to reach inner areas with the brushes, 2- it allows you to make bigger prints, and 3- it helps to posicionate better the pieces to generate less support structures that will be printed..  you see those extra parts/columns behind the pieces?. that's what the printer use to print areas that are like "flying", the support structures.  after remove these you must polish the areas where it was joint with sandpaper and lot of patience, the preparation from the 3d printer product to having the pieces ready for paiting take a whole day usually, making the whole process of create a sculpture liek this

between 10 to 20 hours for 3d sculpting and digital painting,  (that give you a good file for posing and create renders, like the models I posted here).  some people don't want a sculture, this is like the first part of the job and sometimes it's all,  it have a separated price.

in case the customers want a sculpture, it require around 3 to 5 hours to prepare the file before 3d print it, (split and creating the joints/pegs/holes).. then, leave the 3d printer to work between 15 to 25 hours.. (yes, 3d printing is slow, and i have a good printer, a expensive one, but the technology is just not that advanced yet like people believe.),  after that, and in case the print didn't failed you will receive something like the first photo, (you will face problems around 20% of the time, for many reasons, bad posicioning on the printing bed, incorrect temp, a structure support that didn't came like you expect, or even run out of plastic filament...)

then the remove support / polish part start,  also you will find that some parts are not printed like you expect, so we use some kind of clay (don't know the name on english but is what people use to repair crashed car deformation before repair the paiting again) and then lot of sandpaper.. leaving the model ready for painting can take around 8 hours (which is a work day),  ..once with  a enought smooth surface we proceed to paint it, air brush, traditional brushes and acrilic painting  the painting job takes 2 days extra usually

But the result is very cool.. i'm really proud of all the models i did (i didn't showed some of the ones I already did because i want to surprise people and make auctions for those), i think theese figures looks better than the regular ones produced with more traditional sculpting process,  that's perhaps the advantage that this method have, I guess is analog to draw with drawing tablets, you still need the talent and the patience, but the digital media helps you to correct things easily and well, and the 3d printer do a precise job that in regular situations will require a sculptor with surgeon hands. is not faster, is not easy, but it gives you better results.

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Published: 2 years, 8 months ago
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DAM
DAM
2 years, 8 months ago
Thanks for thoses explanations, I learned a lot of stuff i didn't knew before ^^
The models you did are nice and, in my opinion, each new one is better than the previous ones. And you're right to devellop your abilities with 3d models and printing, I'm sure demand will increase a lot in the future :)
bbmbbf
2 years, 8 months ago
Thanks my friend, yes..  and i'm really proud of the quality .. it really makes me happy ^^
Yaminobaka
2 years, 8 months ago
this is beyond cool!
bbmbbf
2 years, 8 months ago
Thanks ^^
Fursat
2 years, 8 months ago
Ya sadly not even one printer below 10k bucks will print good quality at the speed they say...
Soon ill be able to print the close or even same Quality as you do but with real 70mm/s and above with a printer for around 600 bucks :D
With my Prusa right now its impossible but its a good printer to start with^^
DaftVenture
2 years, 8 months ago
Um.... I have about six that do. Printers print well and fast. You have to know your settings, but 10k is ridiculous. Most of the expensive printers don't focus on speed anyway. They are marketed at people who care about quality, to hell with how long it takes.

A prusa usually is a bad place to start for speed because the frames are not that ridgid. But if you have a tight frame and a decent hotend you can print at blistering speeds. I ran one of mine at 120mm/s to see if it could do it. .3 layer height with pla. Part looked great. Tho I've never done it since because I was afraid I was going to destroy the machine xP

Generally a $600+ printer will kick ass. The powerspec ultra I have defaults to 80mm/s and prints very nice even at those speeds. Tho I don't like to cross past 60mm/s

Another thing that really helps is slicer software. Unfortunately much of the free stuff is almost garbage. Cura is decent but slic3r and skinforge make my skin crawl after switching to simplify3d
Fursat
2 years, 8 months ago
ohh my prusa actually prints very well now but its still nothing against a core of course
i wonder what my prusa would bring out at 0.05mm and 50mm/sec if i find the right settings, i bet it beats the ultimaker and with all upgrates it was just 500€ XD
bbmbbf
2 years, 8 months ago
I have a zortrax m200 ^^  good printer, but the damn thing is jelous with its software, you can use external slicer programs :-/
and yes, speed is not what they focus, usually 3d prints are aiming to create the prototypes or original models, not a mass production thing, that's why they give priority to quality ^^
Fursat
2 years, 8 months ago
What software you use actually to prepare the figures for the printing, i still look for a good one to remove inner polygons/faces/points, i have the hell alot trouble with em even if Simplify has serval options for slicing.
KNIFE
2 years, 8 months ago
If things don't go to shit in the next few years 3D Printing will be as common as regular printing is now. I'd give it about 5 more years and then another 5 to get people really aware of it. Once the quality and speed of printing meet on the same line of the graph you'll see some TRULY amazing things. I can't wait cause THIS look amazing right now! Thank you for sharing! :D
DaftVenture
2 years, 8 months ago
What bed material are you using, bbmbbf? I ask because I see rafts xP. I hate using rafts myself but I usually never have to use them unless I'm printing really thin parts that warp off the bed. (Which is kind of funny in a way, rafts where originally suposes to help with bed level issues xP

3d printing is literally my day job, and I love it! I'd live to chat about things. :P it looks like you have a retraction issue causing stringing. Though not much... XP I have to say I'm blown away by those pictures, they look like really good prints. Are they as smooth as they look or is that the camera? Mad respect for the effort it takes to model like that and then get everything to pin together. Is everything just pressfit or do you glue or melt them together? Acetone bond?
bbmbbf
2 years, 8 months ago
Well.. the printer I use is zortrax m200, which prints on ABS,  as you may know abs have this bad habit of shrink once gets cool, creating deformations ont he final product if its not stick to the bed,  in a regular print I don't use anything, but if is larger I heard that apply some hair spried or "abs juice" will help the model to stay stick on the bed...  about the strings.. i have no idea why they appear really, but the damn printer is not the most customizable model sadly, it doesn't allow me to use external slicer programs, it also wants to control the temperature by choosing just material profiles (tho found a way to control the extruder temp/fan speed, but it will require me some experimentation, seems the correct temperature again depends of the size of the model

and yes!.. after all the work the result is amazing (a friend here of my team helps me) and is very very smooth, hell, from I can say it looks better in real life than in the photos even
altharin
2 years, 8 months ago
I had no idea this was this complicated and that it demanded such hard work.
SargeB96
2 years, 8 months ago
Have you ever heard of a resin printer? On Culture Japan (a YouTube show) they went to Good Smile Company's where they produce a lot of figures and showed how they do it and you see this printer they does a reverse image into a pool or resin. From what I can tell, it's good for both figures and doing clear parts (from what I've seen of it from research)
bbmbbf
2 years, 8 months ago
yes yes.. i wanted to buy one but they don't sell it here.. and importing it will be a lot expensive..  tho, liquid resin printers are cool there are two negative points,  1- the material that you use for print have an expiration date (you have literally months to use it, specially if are shipped to another country) and 2- the printing area are kinda small..  still the products are amazing and i'll not mind have one ^^
SargeB96
2 years, 8 months ago
Ah, I see X3 all the links I'd seen on them didn't mention that, but from that, sounds like it would be best if you many figures lined up. I was looking into it as I'm wanting to start making props for films in a few years (Been my dream to either write or a props master on movies) it would help with doing small details or models for making master molds
greenfox
2 years, 8 months ago
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/polymaker/polysmoo... you might take a look at this :-) I am thinking of getting one to improve the quality of my prints.
Halpthiuian
2 years, 8 months ago
Ah, yaaasss. Good old "Bondo". Like duct tape, a substance of 1001 uses.
Naytdawg412
2 years, 8 months ago
Wow...Excellent Job!!!!!
ThaPig
2 years, 8 months ago
Fascinating! I had never seen the printed pieces before all the work.
I have been reading discussions on model building forums about how 3D printing technology is changing the hobby. Some people see it as another tool that should be embraced and others see it kind of like "cheating" because it makes the process too easy.
These images tell me it's not as easy as some think, there is still lots of work and skill involved.
bbmbbf
2 years, 8 months ago
it's analog like drawing with tablets ^^ ..sure is easy to fix mistakes than drawing with pencils and papers, but you still need a lot of skill and patience ..  heh
KatPanikku
2 years, 8 months ago
This came out amazing!  Thanks for showing the process!
Zehntacles
2 years, 8 months ago
Considering the amount of work it takes to put all of this together, can see how you'd become attached to one of your pieces with all the time and effort put into them.
bbmbbf
2 years, 8 months ago
YES!.. totally yes.. I love how they look and didn't dared to sell any of these yet :P
CrystalMendrilia
2 years, 7 months ago
Alright. I gotta say this project of yours is fucking awesome. ^_^
CrimsonWerecat
2 years, 3 months ago
ahh y dime, se puede reciclar el material? por que podrías hacer eso con las estructuras de soporte, o una vez que solidifica ya no se puede volver a fundir?
bbmbbf
2 years, 3 months ago
vi una maquina para reciclarlo, pero me parecio muy costosa y rudimentaria, ademas escuche que el filamento tiene que quedar muy liso para que no se malogre la impresora, y la verdad esa maquina se veia muy rudimentaria.. asi que no.
CrimsonWerecat
2 years, 3 months ago
ohhh ya veo, interesante, gracias por la respuesta!
Randochi
1 year, 5 months ago
I will recommend XTC-3D for a possible solution for your sanding.  You can use this for smoothing and finishing 3D printed parts. A major problem with 3D printing is the gaps it creates with each layer.  XTC is a solution I was recommended for this.  You'll still need to sand or cut off the support pieces but this will fix everything else.  It changes the game.  Adding a very small amount of nail polish remover makes its consistency much easier to work with.

https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B00PFXK4JY/_encoding=UTF8?c...
bbmbbf
1 year, 5 months ago
yeah.. it's $23 plus shipment as i'm watching, i think i found a cheaper way already for coating, "cloroformo" but the thing is that using sanding you have more control ont the level of details that you want to keep,  i'll give it a second try tho.
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