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ManicMoon

Zootopia 2 Review

So last weekend I did watch Zootopia 2 and this movie left me with a lot of... "things" up my mind. And despite not usually doing movie reviews I think this is still the best place to share my mind about this movie.

First of all this review will have spoilers, so if you still wanna watch the movie yourself better come back later or skip to the last part of this review, where I´ll give a small summary.

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Let´s start with something positive here. The world building is easily on the same level like in the first movie. Especially the new swamp area is really interesting to see and almost wished to see more of. We also see more of Sahara Square and Tundra Town. Sadly nothing new for the rainforest part of Zootopia.

Also credit for most of the newly intreduced characters. Almost all of keep the standard of the first movie. The new cop teams opposite Judy and Nick are fun to watch and I honestly wouldn´t mind seeing more of them. The new major of the town first looked like a silly, one-time joke, but really grew on me the more often I saw him.
The character I dislike the most is Nibbles the beaver. She´s just the newest version of the quirky, almost crazy side-kick, who most of the time almost crosses the line of annoying. While she plays her role alright when we first meet her in the movie, I really don´t get, why she has to stay around for the big final of the movie. Once she helped Nick break out of prison, she doesn´t really has anything to do, but still sticks around and like I said before is pretty much more annoying then funny.
A little note to Gary the snake. While I don´t hate him and he plays his role well for the movie, I think the writers overdid it a bit with his "goody-good-shoes" stick. I´m honestly happy he didn´t turn out to be the silly goofball that nobody liked (like Olaf from Frozen), how the trailers first made him look, but I sure would have minded if they gave him a bit more edge in the movie instead of simply making him snake Jesus, who always only see´s the good in everything and everyone and never gives up. But in total he´s still a good character.

What honestly botters me the most is the clear downgrade of Nick in this movie. While in the first movie they only had success because he and Judy worked together as a combination of street smarts and good, honest detectiv work, in the second movie Nick is pretty much downgraded to the punching bag of most other characters and the comic relief. All the big discovery´s and break-throughs in the case are made by Judy and the new characters with the only time Nick really helping is near the end, when he helps saving Judy´s life and even that is followed like 5 seconds later by her saving his life.

Over all I sadly have to say the the writers are still Disneys biggest problem. It´s already a bit disappointing that after the first movie´s theme was based around racism, the second movie pretty much does the same, only replacing meat vs plan eaters with mammals vs reptiles. The overall dynamic between Nick and Judy isn´t as good as in the first movie too. Most of the times especially in the middle part of the movie it feels more like Judy is forcing Nick into an adventure he doesn´t wanna be a part of without any regards of his feelings.

And as a little side note for all the shippers of Judy and Nick out there. I sadly have to tell you that this movie gave zero hints that there is anything growing between those other then a work partner relationship. So better enjoy the fake family sketch Judy and Nick do at the very beginning of the movie, because that´s as close of them starting a family as your going to get so far.

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In total Zootopia isn´t a bad movie, but it can´t keep the high standard the first movie set. To make that happen Disney needs better writers and the willingsness to do something risky and not remaining the the safe slope category out of fear to offend somebody. Zootopia 2 is a perfectly fine movie, which will probably end up making Disney a ton of money, but I´m affraid a 3rd and 4th movie (let´s not kid ourselfs, those movies will happen) could rather quickly end up in the bad sequel category.  
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TepTepgi
1 week, 5 days ago
Fans will rage if they ever make Nick and Judy get married XD
ManicMoon
1 week, 4 days ago
That´s not gonna happen right now at Disney. They moved away from love relationships between protagonists at the moment.
ShaneAndCo
1 week, 5 days ago
Yeah, I do think the first one was better.

As far as Nick goes, I do think there's a hint of progress as well. He makes it very clear that he doesn't think the case is worth dying for. But he does think Judy is. As a 'solitary animal' as he put it a few times, it shows that he does see her as more than just work partner. Just like their scene after the main conflict.
I feel like Nick is just quicker to realize thoughts for Judy, while Judy is the workaholic with a hero complex.
The after-credit scene did make a tiny hint of progress in the relationship though on Judy's side imo. (Also it shows the most likely angle Zootopia 3 will do)

That said, I don't fully expect dedication between those 2 anywhere other than the fandom, unless the series gets changed more in a Police Academy type idea, instead of Judy/Nick solving everything.
ManicMoon
1 week, 4 days ago
the Disney is working right now the only way I see them getting together would be like a final movie that ends with them getting married. But that´s far from happening. Seeing how much money this movie will make they weill be at least a 3rd movie for sure. Zootopia has the fanbase and world building to become their next Toy Story like franchise.
VarraTheVap
1 week, 5 days ago
Aw, you are a bit harsh xP
ManicMoon
1 week, 4 days ago
I´m just honest. People are quick to praise this movie because it´s better then the slop Disney produced for the mayority of the year. But it´s still far from the level they once had. Like I said, it´s not a bad movie, but there is still a lot of space upwards.
CaptRicoSakara
1 week, 4 days ago
Disney writers are still in their Woke mindset. They'll never stop making slop after slop that either has girl-boss, dumb white-man sidekick, white-man villain, and DEI over story, etc. Disney writers are activist writers. That's why modern Disney is still not learn their lesson.
ManicMoon
1 week, 4 days ago
Sad, but true. They need a clean swipe. Fire almost all of them, bring back some of the old guard and lot´s of young and open minded writers, who can learn from the old guys.
SilverwingFox
1 week, 4 days ago
The writing (aside from the accusations of the writers' personal leanings taking away from the writing) is not just a problem within Disney animation as I've had to put up with Lucasfilm's own bad writing from their "phony Filloni baloney." (Yes, they are technically independent from the overall company but they still have to take direction from the board and all)  It's either too safe, bad science fiction (more aimed at Star Wars and to a lesser degree Marvel) or doesn't remember/respect what happened in a previous chapter...or even what worked in most of their movies up to the end of the Disney Renaissance (when some argue Treasure Planet was sabotaged).
ManicMoon
1 week, 4 days ago
Not respecting the source material is a huge problem in the entire film industry at the moment. Most of the time they just use the name of those old franchises in the hope of automaticly gaining their fanbase. But then insist on writing their own storys and ignore everything what made those franchises popular in the first place.
GrimmHund
1 week, 4 days ago
I was watching this movie in theatres the other day and I had my own comment on it.
Call it overthinking, and it probably is, but showing any of the characters being injected by any kind of venom raises massive questions about its effects and if creatures being of another size category are affected in any different way to the same potency/volume.

Here are my grievances with inconsistencies noted while watching the film. The venom's effects are assumed, but never exposited, to work in three stages: paralysis > unconsciousness > death if left untreated. Before I've even left the theatre, I can interpret that they've messed with the timing between each stage for three different characters of varying sizes.
Chief Bogo: Immediately unconscious. Immediately given antivenom. Recovers in the hospital for the rest of the movie.
Judy Hopps: Slow Paralysis Phase, Slow Unconsciousness Phase, Given antivenom for Maximum Tension. Immediately recovers to rescue Nick.
Nibbles the Beaver: Immediately unconscious. Given antivenom only after the villain crosses Judy, after he envenomates her, after he wrestles with Nick, after Nick helps save Judy, after Judy sprints several flights of stairs to save Nick, after they trauma dump. Immediately recovered.
Inconsistent venom that worked to the whim of the writers creating tension, not based on different size-classes of the creatures.

Then I got home and researched the actual effect of pit viper venom, which doesn't match at all what the writers wanted for Gary's venom. Then I discovered that Gary is 33ft long which that alone has further implications on his venom potency...

But nothing happened. One of those "everyone's fine now" results when the real ending should very much not be that... Obviously, they wouldn't have written that as an actual scene but if they needed a heat-sensing snake, they could've just used a viper or boa. Maybe the bad guys just made a fake venom that does exactly what the movie needs it to and since no one in-town has seen a snake for 100 years, how would they know which snakes don't have venom? Then you can let Gary be this tight-hugging friendly type. Eugh... I fixed my own problem with less then 5 minutes of problem-solving.
ManicMoon
1 week, 4 days ago
The venom was a simple plot device of the writers and since we all already know that Disney has no good writers left that would easily explain the inconsistance of the effects. They could have given the villian an electric shocker and have the same effects of knocking out Judy and Nibbles. But then they couldn´t have Nick trowing something to Gary to get Judy back on her feet.
GrimmHund
1 week, 4 days ago
True. A tazer would've worked to incapacitate Nibbles and Judy if Gary wasn't a poisonous snake. Could've even secretly tazed Bogo when Gary accidentally bites him and reveal that as part of their twist-villain montage. Problem is, that gives nothing for Nick to do because Judy isn't in any danger, so Nick would fall and die unless Judy miraculously regains consciousness and sprints several flghts of stairs to reach him.
Another revelation with Pawbert (yes, that's his name) having any kind of antivenom makes no sense. Sure, Gary made his own in a convenient Epi-Pen and he can help anyone he bites, but if Pawbert if jabbing people with pit viper venom, once he's in full control of the situation, why not... dispose of said pen?
Also, wait... Pawbert has a steady supply of pit viper venom? How is he getting that? Gary's been the only snake around for 100 years. Is... Is Pawbert milking Gary? How'd they discuss that transaction? Pawbert isn't making antivenom for Gary, is he?
BadRabbot
1 week ago
" GrimmHund wrote:
Maybe the bad guys just made a fake venom that does exactly what the movie needs it to and since no one in-town has seen a snake for 100 years, how would they know which snakes don't have venom?


Actually, that could be exactly what the bad guys did.  Judy and Nibbles didn't get struck with one of Gary's fangs, after all; Pawbert used some kind of mechanical injector on them.  So... where did Pawbert get a bunch of venom-filled cartridges from?  It seems unlikely that Gary deSnake would have allowed the Lynxleys to milk large quantities of venom from him to fill those injectors with, especially when he was so careful as to carry around his own antidote injector in case of any accidents...

But, yeah, the difference in responses was a bit unrealistic, at least from a purely biological point of view.  (Realistically, Bogo should have been the one undergoing a prolonged period of slow paralysis before finally losing consciousness, and Judy probably should have just dropped like a rock and been dead within only a couple of minutes.)  And of course, there's also the inconvenient fact that a snake's venom is contained in sacs behind the fangs, and venom injection is accomplished by muscle contractions that squeeze the venom sacs and force the venom through the hollows in the fangs -- so breaking off one of Gary's fangs and then stabbing Bogo with it should've had no effect on Bogo at all, really.

But, let's face it -- most movies require a couple of breaks from real-world biology or physics, in some way or another, to make the plot work, or increase the drama of a crucial moment. :-)  Both Zootopia movies have freely blended real-world and cartoon physics whenever it suited them, really.
GrimmHund
5 days, 2 hrs ago
If a movie shatters the suspension of disbelief with too many red flags, then there's a problem. To this day, I can't remember anything specific about the first movie to really criticize. The closest parallel to the snake venom logistics might be the Night Howler, but the Midnicampum Holicithias is a fictional flower that's refined further in a chemistry lab.

I don't think anyone would've cared if Gary was a fictional snake species and/or Pawbert had a hobby in chemistry. Maybe give him control of local pharmaceutical companies using Gary's venom for research.
GrimmHund
1 week, 4 days ago
I couldn't help but imagine Jesse in a 'Foxy Dad' shirt, Cadence in the pink dress pushing a stroller, and the little bunny-fox kit, Velvet, with her long ears inside the stroller.
ManicMoon
1 week, 4 days ago
that sure would be adorable
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