Before I begin, I want to say that this journal entry below is my responsibility. I hold myself accountable for what is being said, and whatever consequences come from posting this follow up.
With that out of the way, let me start by saying after a bit of contemplating and thinking things over, I feel the need to come clean and reveal the identity of the artist as well as the art submission he made, his response to my journal entry, etc.
Now, when I first saw 0r0's art, which depicts Whisper the Wolf in the snipping position with the sniper rifle, smoke fuming from the barrel, seeing the title and the word bubble saying "9/10," and noticing that this was posted shortly after Charlie Kirk's passing, I immediately put two and two together and came to a quick conclusion that this art piece he made was meant to mock Charlie Kirk's assassination, by having Whisper be the assassin. I quickly felt that this was wrong, having placed the character herself in a bad light and in bad taste, was unacceptable, and that I felt to need to take action against this, first by commenting his art, saying he was sick, then followed by blocking him in my FA settings. I then called him out in my last journal, but decided to keep his identity hidden out of whatever little respect I still may have had for him.
For a bit, I waited for responses, and I got them clear across both sides of the conflict. While many praised me for standing up to him on this, others felt I was naive and drawing to conclusions without having all the facts, and even started calling me chud or n*zi.
Now I have no dispute those in the replies in his entry. They've said their peace, so I'll leave them at that. They are exercising their 1st Amendment Rights of Free Speech, as am I. My concern is with 0r0ch1.
In addition to his response, I found out after my original journal post that it was the FA mods that have removed the submission, as stated here in their Submission Removal Notice, which means my original assumption of him deleting the art himself was false, again my mistake: https://imgur.com/a/fa-mods-notice-of-art-piece-removal...
I also feel the need to included this screenshot of 0r0ch1's response to another commenter about the submission. This reply in his comments told me that 0r0ch1 clearly doesn't care when someone tried to ask him what if the assassin's target was a family member of his. His reply speaks for itself: https://imgur.com/a/shin0r0zs-response-to-comment-about...
Finally, I found out 0r0ch1 got a reply back from the FA moderators, after submitting a trouble ticket, saying that he may re-upload the submission at a later time, if he edits to submission to indicate it had nothing to do with the events surrounding the shooting of Charlie Kirk: https://imgur.com/a/fas-response-to-shin0r0zs-trouble-t...
And that's were we stand at the moment.
I've said all I felt the need to say, and I still stand by what I said the other day, stating that the submission was sick, sinful, and disrespectful of Charlie Kirk and his family. If this submission were post months before or after the events of last week, and the weapon not being an actual sniper rifle, I might have let it go and be none the wiser. But it was posted just after the shooting, and now after seeing his immature responses to all this, I think I've made the right call.
I know, many of you downright hate me for this, and will not longer follow me, and that is your choice to make. If you feel that I am the one who is at the wrong here, then so be it. As I said, I take full responsibility for this pose. I rather lose all my followers than my humanity and common sense and self respect.
I know that I come off as naive, gullible, immature, and I know I have very low social and communication skills, and I hardly even post shit anymore, but I'm smart enough to see that when someone's death is being celebrated, mocked, and/or disrespected, even if it's with art, then that is not only immature and uncivilized, but also inhumane and cruel.
I've said my peace. So if you're against what I've said, go ahead and call me a N*zi, a B*got, or a Chud, or even a "le centrist boomer Sonictard" all you want. I don't care anymore.
Those that stood up with me, Thank you. I appreciate your comments and words of support.
lets be honest Charlie Kirk was a man of merit and he stood up to promote talking things out instead of fighting. He rather let people know what they were doing was wrong than have them attacked for it
You were in the right as the artist had a post that exclaimed 'IDK how somebody knew what I posted it for but they knew what I meant" you were absolutely correct in your assumption as he deleted the account before I could screenshot it and its sickening how this 1 man was the epitome of the thingsa they hate Truth honesty freedom of information freedom to not be attacked
your going to be ok Yes, its ironic how the furry community has effectively helped every group that now attacks up get their time in the sun & acknowledged for their accomplishments but we have weathered way worse because we are more willing to come together and help 1 another faster than anybody else.
If ANYBODY wants to talk or vent, I used to be a combat medic/Alternatie medicines & chaplain. Im willing to help as best I can just understand this 1 major rule
We are only human and prone to make mistakes
lets be honest Charlie Kirk was a man of merit and he stood up to promote talking things out instead
"A man of merit" who: -Was intensely and completely racist, sexist, transphobic, islamophobic, ect, and spread those ideas --Spread the Great Replacement conspiracy theory, claimed that Islam was a threat to America, went on and on about DEI, et cetera -Claimed that empathy was a sin (on the contrary it's literally core to Jesus Christ's teachings) -Claimed that gun crime-- specifically school shootings-- were an "acceptable cost" for unfettered gun rights
Yeah no. But then again, as I said over on FurAffinity, the Kirk that your average right-winger knew and the Kirk that your average left-winger knew are almost two different people; the "reasonable family man" image he presented to the right didn't also get presented to the left. (Not that the left would've gone looking for it; the idea seems about as laughable as like, the idea that Voldemort had a loving wife and kids)
I'm not saying that I like the fact that he was assassinated; on the flip side I would've much preferred that he go out via an agonizing slow disease-based death. (COVID, perhaps, or cancer. Anything non-human-caused would do.) But the fact that he IS dead, is good; and although I'm not Christian myself, I hope that if the Christians are right about the afterlife, that Asmodeus has him on a slow broil in the pits below. (Brings the flavor out better.)
"A man of merit" who: -Was intensely and completely racist, sexist, transphobic, islamophobic, ect,
yeah you cherry picked alot of that but its funny how correct Charlie was as you BARELY missed the 24 hour window on openly mocking him.
heres the thing, the man was not evil and the gun safety thing only became a problem when people in positions started going after the individual rights of Americans through fear tactics. ALL GUN LAWS ARE NULL & VOID BY PROXY OF THE 2ND AMENDMENT as its easy to use fear tactics on the easily manipulated. The thing about your little "school shooting are an acceptable loss' is destroyed by EVERY school/mass shooting involves dominantly lgbt/trans supporting if not openly affiliated as an active member of those groups. In the last year people have outright noticed websites disappearing, wikipedia deleting or fully editing entire systems/articles, historical preservation records being lost/destroyed/edited, and way worse but you say so it becomes law? Nepal just overthrew their own government for democratic/open communism abusing the people AFTER stripping away their rights to bear arms then using the same weapons they banned civilians from using to mass slaughter them. Back when EVERYBODY wasnt a dummy and had basic weapons training & understanding, there wasnt a mass shooting much less anything involving children, do not count the Kentucky OR Tennessee as those were uprisings as entire cities had effectily become the personal playground of individual families that were going out of the way to maintain their tyranny. Islam? Are you daft? You are on a furry site thats known for porn while defending lgbt ideals. Muslims would kill you before doing worse to your family for allowing it. Great replacement was proven with all the illegal immigrants siphoning welfare & social security. DEI thing was proven as there are a TON of people in jobs they arent qualified much less trained for so the company can get grants or special benefits of. The truth got a man killed for telling it as we all know there are 3 things you dont publicly speak about without being killed publicly over Isreal because they own the media & banks Islam because everything about them is evil the outright truth on how people are manipulated in defense of evil things
yeah you cherry picked alot of that but its funny how correct Charlie was as you BARELY missed the 2
I was giving you the benefit of the doubt, but I can see quite clearly that I'm talking to someone who's already made up their mind as to what's "true". Have a nice day, and I hope you find your way back to Jesus soon.
I was giving you the benefit of the doubt, but I can see quite clearly that I'm talking to someone w
that is actually more than I expected of you while half expecting the xy vs xx chromosome stuff being irrelevant as many others try to pull
Good form and if you get to an age where this is a changed knowledge base for you, I will still be here. Humanity fails to see time as a precious commodity by comparison of others
that is actually more than I expected of you while half expecting the xy vs xx chromosome stuff bein
He was a hateful piece of shit through and through, he made his living spreading intolerance, calling for public executions and stoning gay people to death. In his own words, he said that a few gun deaths a year are a worthy price to pay for allowing the crazy amount of access to firearms. I wouldn't have personally pulled the trigger on him but the fucker died for a cause he believed in, and the shooter seems to be someone even further to the right than him. One nazi killed another nazi for not being nazi enough, that's what happened and I'm not fucking sad about it.
He was a hateful piece of shit through and through, he made his living spreading intolerance, callin
Get a grip on reality, breathe and think before you speak or type next time.
If saying that you don't agree with someones lifechoices but should respect them as an individual is hatefull then breathing is because it steals oxigen from the air.. Seriously get out of here.
Get a grip on reality, breathe and think before you speak or type next time. If saying that you do
Take your own advice, he didn't say anything incorrect. Dude was a stochastic terrorist. He was at least partly responsible for all the people on the left who regularly get murdered– but you know, they weren't as famous so they don't matter I guess.
Take your own advice, he didn't say anything incorrect. Dude was a stochastic terrorist. He was at l
Someone who uses or incites violence to inflict fear in specific populations, something Conservatives largely and Charlie Kirk specifically have always done with their "don't poke the bear" and "you're gonna regret it liberal" and "come take it" and all that other fucking bullshit that was way worse.
Someone who uses or incites violence to inflict fear in specific populations, something Conservative
He had no respect for the people he hated. Since he was killed everyone is just ignoring what he actually said and believed. He was a fascist, racist (claimed black pilots made people nervous and that black women are stupid), sexist, homop pile of garbage who was gunned down by the world he helped create. He said gun deaths from shootings were an acceptable price to pay for the unlimited access Americans have to firearms and spat in the faces of the victims loved ones, claiming they shouldn't be allowed to emotionally manipulate the narrative.
Also he wants rape victims to carry through with their pregnancies, and said that if it happened to his own daughter he'd still make her go through with it. Just, fuck him and fuck the entire right wing.
He had no respect for the people he hated. Since he was killed everyone is just ignoring what he act
"He had no respect for the people he hated" that is projection. He has never said he hated the people you are referring to.
The only one "ignoring what he actually said" apears to be you, what he actually said are the exact words he said, not your interpretation of them..
Define Fascist and Racist in your terms or refer to the actual ones.
Since when is it not okay to have an opinion on things? He's not forcing anyone to do those things, or was. You sound like you need some counceling or broaden your news outlets/inner circle.
"He had no respect for the people he hated" that is projection. He has never said he hated the peopl
Since fascist has become a nebulous term, I'll just say that I use the term to describe anyone who aims to strip the rights away from others, specific groups, or ideologies. Generally anyone who aims to impose their ideal way of life, morality, or sense of acceptable and unacceptable behavior. Examples would be Ronald Reagan, Richard Nixon, Donald Trump, J. D. Vance, Kim Jong Un, Vladimir Putin, Charlie Kirk, Stephen Crowder, and Charlie Kirk's alleged assassin.
Opinions are fine, "I" wouldn't have killed Charlie Kirk, but I don't mourn him because his opinions actively created the world that resulted in his death, by someone who is more of a nazi than he was.
There's no hate like Christian love. Since fascist has become a nebulous term, I'll just say that I
That's an oxymoron + there are variants in Christianity, to label all their love as the same or claim they all express it the same is doing the exact thing you accuse them of.
I believe he would agree with you that forcing anyone to do a thing would be wrong. To impose would be to enforce, and I have never seen or heard about Charlie doing such a thing; he wasn't forcing anyone to become a Christian like himself, and he wasn't actively stopping people from getting an abortion or forcing anything for that matter. To lump him under the same category as an actual dictator is wild.
I don't see either of those people falling under the label nazi and I don't personally mourn his death as I didn't know him. But that doesn't mean I think it's okay or that he deserved it. There are things he's said that I agree with and dissagree with, just like you would with anyone on this earth. The main thing that created this climate is people saying he meant certain things or implying he said a certain thing, not just comparing but calling him a nazi and feeling indifferent towards any attemts of an assasination.
The sad thing to me is that he would mourn your death more than you do his. Yet he is the villain.
~~~ Quote: There's no hate like Christian love. ~~~ That's an oxymoron + there are variants in
He didn't force anyone to get an abortion or be a Christian because he lacked the authority to do so--But he was closely associated with Trump, who IS actively taking away rights largely in accordance with the kinds of things Charlie Kirk believed. Even now, people are getting arrested and deported for exercising their first amendment rights to mock, lambast or speak disrespectfully about the event. Would Charlie Kirk have approved of the actions that his associates are taking in response to his death? I think he would, I think they're doing exactly what he would have wanted them to do with his death: weaponizing it against the left, the "woke", the godless, the groups that the right has and always will continue to attack and oppress with every ounce of power they have.
He didn't force anyone to get an abortion or be a Christian because he lacked the authority to do so
Most things here seem like based on a feeling/assumption. It's putting words and actions into other peoples mouths without any actual evidence of it having occured and then holding that person acountable for those hypothetical actions...
There is a seperation of church and state in america so no I don't think that would make any sence.
He stood for people standing up for their believes so saying he would want to strip people of that right is contradicting his own claims and actions. I've not seen news outlets banned for reporting however they please, or people sentenced to prison or death for that reason. Everyone apears to be allowed to express their feelings, beliefs and concerns wich is the 1st amendment in a nutshell.
As an outsider the only group talking these actions okay are people in the left with exceptions. It's about the principle, and one side clearly says this is wrong regardless of to whom it happens, the other is asking for more, condoning it or tolerating it.. So that seems pretty EXTREME LEFT if you ask me.. The further you stand to one side the more extreme the other apears.. But hey that's a non-american speaking.
Most things here seem like based on a feeling/assumption. It's putting words and actions into other
The separation of church and state in the US, as someone who lived there for 30+ years, is in text only. And now it's being dissolved with some public schools having the ten commandments displayed in every classroom. It's happening in Texas in clear violation of constitutional law.
Charlie Kirk said that he would, in a hypothetical, force his daughter to undergo a pregnancy that resulted from a rape rather than allow her to get an abortion. He spoke openly of death by stoning as "God's perfect law" as punishment for homosexuality. He wanted public executions, used his influence to oppose any form of gun control and declared that gun deaths such as his own were an acceptable consequence for unrestricted gun access. I've said before that I wouldn't personally pull the trigger but I'm not sad about his death because I found him detestable, and his own rhetoric helped create the world that led to his death.
Meanwhile, the RIGHT were the ones who were quick to jump to the conclusion that this attack meant war on the left. Trump and all the little bitches at Fox News started calling for violence on the far-left. Stephen Miller, human garbage that's only used his power to send Latinos to concentration camps, has used Kirk's death as a springboard to start eradicating the "far-left terrorists." Even though Kirk's alleged assassin is right-wing, just like, statistically the VAST MAJORITY of perpetrators of political killings. Can you really look at all this and tell me that the right are being more reasonable? They're arresting and deporting people who exercise their first amendment rights by mocking Charlie Kirk or just not responding to this shitstain's death with appropriate reverence. That's not freedom.
The separation of church and state in the US, as someone who lived there for 30+ years, is in text o
I just know that as an individual one can't experience or know everything that happens all across one country as large as the USA. And ones experience can differ drasticly compared to someone elses.
To me that's more of a personal belief to answer a hypothetical question, considering parents are responsible for creating and raising children it makes sence he does what he believes is best for his children. That doesn't mean he is forcing others to do the same.
Both the RIGHT and LEFT where quick to jump to conclusions and generalized statements. I have not come acros evidence that suggests the shooter was right wing, their parents where some sort of christian, and they renounced that belief, where part of the furry and LGBTQ community or at least made reference too and had a relationship with a transman. That doesn't really seem right wing to me.
Either way I aprieciate you taking the time to reply, and allowing me to attempt to understand your postition. I wish you well and the USA politics seems like a nightmare, I can't imagine living in such a black and white political landscape.
I just know that as an individual one can't experience or know everything that happens all across on
That's fine, Shawn. As said, I'm just moving on from it. On a side note, this is why I hate politics as they are now: Modern Politics break apart families and friendships. I've seen it on Tik-Tok thru YouTube all the time. Family and friendship should always be above politics, no matter which opposing side you take. There use to be time, long time ago, when those on both the left and right could have civilized discussion without breaking into arguments or acts of violence. Unfortunately, those days from decades ago are gone. And this is our dystopian nightmare reality. All I can do now is pray and hope for the best, while fearing for the worst. Please stay safe.
That's fine, Shawn. As said, I'm just moving on from it. On a side note, this is why I hate politic
It's not as simple as disagreement anymore. If I had a family member or a friend who su or voted for Trump, I'd cut them the fuck out of my life and spit in their face in the process. These people are rounding up immigrants, mostly with no criminal record and hauling them off to concentration camps, and anyone who voted for Trump last year is responsible because he said that's what he was going to do. The MOMENT Charlie Kirk was dead, before that dipshit's body was cold, Trump and all his little syco declared war on the left, claiming they planned to wipe out the "far left terrorists" and immediately changed their tune to "thoughts and prayers" and "what a poor lost soul" when it got out that the shooter was a right winger. Fuck these people, I won't meet them halfway on shit, I won't sit down and put aside my disagreements with someone who wants to take someone I love deeply away from me because of the country they were born in. I will not compromise with authoritarians. I left the US this year because I feared what might happen if I stayed and it was the fault of people like Charlie Kirk, so fuck him and if hell is real I hope he's fucking frying right now while Satan shoves hot coal up his ass 'til he coughs up diamonds.
It's not as simple as disagreement anymore. If I had a family member or a friend who su or voted for
None of the Fox News fuckers lost their jobs for inaccurately blaming Kirk's death on the far left or trans people, they just shrugged it off, chanted their "thoughts and prayers" bullshit and got back to business.
None of the Fox News fuckers lost their jobs for inaccurately blaming Kirk's death on the far left o
If they come yelling to you just hold up a mirror, they are not just telling ON themselves but are using others to tell it TO themselves, although they won't listen to that either. It's pure projection and blame shifting. They need something or someone to be angry at.
They are so busy looking at the splinter in someone else that they don't see they themselves are a hedgehog;/ (Nothing against hedgehogs, they are cute ;p)
It's refreshing to see others speak up, it is exactly what Charlie would have hoped, if you are no longer allowed to say, discuss or explain how you vieuw things and why you believe them than you are denied your reality, a thing so many of the Woke mob claim to stand for..
If they come yelling to you just hold up a mirror, they are not just telling ON themselves but are u
Both the left and the right are taught by their media to hate the opposing side, that their the good guys and the opposite party are the villains. the bottom line is someone that's not right in the head shot and killed someone which isn't anymore right then when John Kennedy who was a democrat was shot. anyone who thinks someone is right or wrong, smart or dumb, good or evil are dependent on what political party they belong to then you know the media has brainwashed you good. there's plenty of examples out there where both left and right wingers murdered each other. shame to few people out there see that and would rather just add more violence to the tragedy.
Both the left and the right are taught by their media to hate the opposing side, that their the good
That is true. All my life, I tried to remain centered politically, as my dad told me, but after years of seeing how the left behaves, I found myself leaning more and more to the right-side, mostly just out of persevering common sense. Maybe your right - maybe I too was brainwashed by the propaganda, and Charlie Kirk's death and 0r0ch1's art post in response might have been the trigger that showed where I stand on all of this. Either way, I've said it before, I take full responsibility for my journal entries calling out 0r0ch1 on his art and response. I said what I felted was needed to be said, and I must live the rest of my own life with that, and move on.
That is true. All my life, I tried to remain centered politically, as my dad told me, but after year
Why are you posting this guy's full real name? Are you trying to get him doxxed? Because it doesn't seem like there's any other reason to do that. That's a wildly political act.
Why are you posting this guy's full real name? Are you trying to get him doxxed? Because it doesn't
I'm sorry but regardless of your "intentions" posting peoples IRL identity after you publicly disagree with them feels absolutely disingenuous and gives the impression you want someone to go after 0r0ch1 because they disagreed with you. For all the talk in this journal and comments claiming to not support politically motivated violence, that feels like a politically motivated call for violence towards someone you disagreed with. Why else would you even use the IRL of anyone on here?
I'm sorry but regardless of your "intentions" posting peoples IRL identity after you publicly disagr
I see your point. Regardless, I removed his real name (which really wasn't his real name to begin with - that name was of a Spanish composer). Either way, my goal wasn't to bring 0r0ch1 harm, but to just call him out on what he did. Posting his real name was my mistake either way, and my fault to bear. That is on me.
I see your point. Regardless, I removed his real name (which really wasn't his real name to begin wi
What is the problem if it's okay to shoot people you dissagree with according to your stance. It's publicly available data. If you stand for your beliefs you should not fear speaking about them. Words have meaning and all that, words can hurt and so on. If they are saying and posting harmfull things they should be held acountable no?
you sound like the biggest hipocrit, but so are most of the american lefties.
What is the problem if it's okay to shoot people you dissagree with according to your stance. It's p
I didn't say it was okay– Charlie fucking Kirk did. I wanted to live in a Social Democracy, like Norway, where things are boring and just work, and you don't have to worry about police brutality or being whisked away to Guantanamo. But people like Charlie Kirk pushed the fucking envelope until he got shot, and now you're blaming me?? Are you drunk??? Get the hell out of my face with that shit you drooling ape.
I didn't say it was okay– Charlie fucking Kirk did. I wanted to live in a Social Democracy, like No
After reading both journals and all the evidence you've included, I thought I'd just not respond and move on. Politics aren't my thing, and I'm not budging from it, even though I live in a South American country that's more polarized than the US.
However, I've seen many posts about what happened to this political activist. Some glorify the shooter, others glorify the activist, and still others (and I don't know why from other countries) offer conspiracy theories about the incident. Everyone has their opinion about that incident, just as I also have my opinion about it, and I'm sure my opinion won't please many people, regardless of their views, even if it's a neutral one.
I honestly don't give a damn about politics and political activism, and I'd rather talk about other things. Regarding your opinion, I never expected to see you talk about politics (although I follow many artists whose political leanings I know) and I have followed you for years... even on DeviantArt. I respect your opinion and I praise the fact that most of what you have said has been in a respectful tone.
After reading both journals and all the evidence you've included, I thought I'd just not respond and
Thanks. Even though I myself grew up being liberal, my Dad always tells me to never takes sides political, and stay neutral. For the longest time, I tried. But with the way people on the Left have been behaving the last couple of years, from what I've seen on Tik-Tok videos via YouTube, etc., I find it hard to stay centered anymore, and lead more to the right because of it. It's like all common sense that makes us human is evaporating. And what happen to Charlie Kirk, and that art 0r0ch1 submitted after, I just felt the need to take action. Even now, I don't know if my action in posting these journals was right or wrong, but I meant when I said I take full responsibility, and have to live with that. If what I did is ultimately considered wrong in God and Jesus' eyes, I pray for their forgiveness. My intentions were not to hurt the artist, but seek justice for what I believed that artist did wrong. Nothing more. I have to move on from this, and only pray and hope for the best, and fear the worst...
Thanks. Even though I myself grew up being liberal, my Dad always tells me to never takes sides poli
All I'm gonna say is, the situation with Kirk was sad and a mess. (Personally, I didn't know much about the guy other than he debated people.) Given the pic, I can see where you made your mistake and good on ya for owning up to it. shit happens. But you're trying, that says something.
All I'm gonna say is, the situation with Kirk was sad and a mess. (Personally, I didn't know much ab
Thanks. I hope we can all move on from this. But those on the left that I might have offended, I wish I didn't have to lose their friendship or even respect. This is why I hate politics - they have power to destroy friendships and break apart families, no matter the reasoning behind it. This whole thing pains me to no end, but in the end, I have to live with it and move on. Simply as that.
Thanks. I hope we can all move on from this. But those on the left that I might have offended, I wis
Hey, I understand where you're coming from on this, mate. The issue politics have become so crazy that no matter what you do, you will offend someone. And the reality is, it's gotten to that point where some people want to be offended so they can shut you up. Your mistake was an honest one, but to those gits, it doesn't matter what your intent was. They see you as a "biggit" or this or that. They will not forgive you and will hold it against you, no matter what you do. i don't blame ya for wanting to move on, but this shit doesn't go away easy.
Hey, I understand where you're coming from on this, mate. The issue politics have become so crazy th
I don't know how a furry could possibly stand up for someone like Kirk. He was a hatemonger who thrived on the the false impression that he was hearing people out on both sides, when in reality he was just another nazi in all but name. You're a shame to this community, just like Kirk was a shame to humanity as a whole.
I don't know how a furry could possibly stand up for someone like Kirk. He was a hatemonger who thri
