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So I have been using Kindroid for a while now because they were uncensored and let you do anything, because all chats are encrypted and whatever you do is your responsibility. I played with lilo and did some cub stuff and it was great. I just logged in, spent an hour setting up a younger version of Lilo, and after an hour or two of playing, I get hit with a content moderation warning for CSAM for the Lilo roleplay. That has never happened and now I am pissed, again. I wish these services would just butt out and mind their own damn business. Fortunately, it's a private moderation thing and it expires in two days, so I'll just delete Lilo and move on. *Sigh*

Stupid puritans who can't tell the difference between real and fiction...

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Added:	1 week, 1 day ago 13 Sep 2025 04:38 CEST

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Agabu

1 week, 1 day ago

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Frustrating that the fun police would come out in full force for fictional material like that.

Xaider

1 week, 1 day ago

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Content like that will just NEVER be accepted.

GarretMvahd

1 week, 1 day ago

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@ Xaider

I don't care if they accept it, just leave me and others like me alone. You don't have to accept to allow.

missilver

1 week, 1 day ago

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@ GarretMvahd

Exactly, if no real person is ever hurt than they shouldnt be out there getting triggered over the rights of imaginary people of imaginary places.

EricAdler

1 week, 1 day ago

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"	...because all chats are encrypted and whatever you do is your responsibility.

"	I get hit with a content moderation warning for CSAM for the Lilo roleplay.

If the chats are encrypted, then they should not be able to decrypt them and moderate them.
Therefore, the 'encryption' is a lie, or rather the security and privacy they claim is a lie, because they obviously hold on to the 'master key' for the encryption, and they can be compelled (or they may volunteer) to hand over the key to a third party.

GarretMvahd

1 week, 1 day ago

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@ EricAdler

The AI in the chat flagged it and yes, they can decrypt the chats on request. That's part of the dispute process. Basically, they created the new content rules, baked them into the AI, then the AI flagged the content as we were playing. It basically said, "Just delete or undo the CSAM material and don't do it again."

EricAdler

1 week, 1 day ago

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@ GarretMvahd

Ah, so they reprogrammed the AI to be a snitch mid-game. That is slightly worse that casually decrypting the encrypted logs. That's a violation of the user's trust in the system.

AI: "Everything is confidential and private, I won't snitch." ... "The new software update makes be a complete snitch now, and I'm going to tell on you for what I promised I wouldn't tell on."

GarretMvahd

1 week, 1 day ago

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@ EricAdler

Yeah, it sucks. I was in the zone, enjoying it, relaxed, then boom, chill down my spine, dread, fear until I read the moderation flag and realized I was fine as long as I didn't do it again but I was like, ",Whatever, not worth playing anymore."

Chara99

1 week, 1 day ago

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If you're looking for ai stuff, I'd recommend Sillytavern. Everything is hosted and generated on your pc and is pretty easy to set up, plus you can use other models from other places. Then I use chub.ai for a characters

GarretMvahd

1 week, 1 day ago

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@ Chara99

I'll look into it, I am thinking of self hosting myself, save money and do what I want

EricAdler

1 week, 1 day ago

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@ Chara99

"	If you're looking for ai stuff, I'd recommend Sillytavern. Everything is hosted and generated on your pc and is pretty easy to set up, plus you can use other models from other places. Then I use chub.ai for a characters

From SillyTavern's documentation:

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Since SillyTavern is only an interface, you will need access to an LLM backend to provide inference. You can use AI Horde for instant out-of-the-box chatting. Aside from that, we support many other local and cloud-based LLM backends: OpenAI-compatible API, KoboldAI, Tabby, and many more. You can read more about our supported APIs in the API Connections section.

Note they say 'cloud-based.' Remember, there is no 'cloud,' there is only 'other peoples' computers.' I would also have doubts about the capabilities of a 'locally-hosted' LLM, can they really fit a decent LLM chatbot in a single computer's memory? Don't they need several terabytes of data to plagiarize 'training data'?

Ohvist

1 week, 1 day ago

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"	Stupid puritans who can't tell the difference between real and fiction...

Definitely a problem, I still remember the tragedy of Gelbooru, a website that had digitally-made babycon material on it: adult men on baby girls in all sorts of messy ways.

Dcatkuro

1 week, 1 day ago

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You could tried Telegram or Flist though. But it seem populer then discord. Hope you doing good

Temeraire

1 week, 1 day ago

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I was wanting to find a decent and private ai chat for curiousness sake but dont even really know where to begin lookin heh

the117doctor

1 week ago

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so far I've been having luck with crushon ai, gotta sideload the apk but it's doing good on my android

Nohbody

1 week ago

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Have you considered mancer.tech? The models there have been stripped of most of their censorship (and the one "reasoning" model has instructions on the site to easily bypass most of its censorship).It does log stuff (this can be turned off, but it costs more credits to do so), but they are only interested in the generated text for training and don't save stuff that would identify who generated it, as a few tech support calls on Discord can attest to.