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AxleFurret

Question for the "OLD GUARD" & "GREY-MUZZLES" about FURRY getting better or worse?

So, for "Grey-Muzzle" I'm going with the people that are 30-35 and above, even though I usually consider someone a grey-muzzle in the 90s and early 2000s sense, which was usually about 40-45 and up.




So, the question(s) for you is:

Has the furry fandom, in general, gotten better or worse over the years? Got any stories to share?

Are you connecting with more people in the fandom, or are you finding it harder and harder?

Do you feel like you can talk about pretty much anything with randoms in the fandom, such as just "hanging out", or do you feel you have to be a lot more "guarded"?

Have you noticed, in general, if people have been more or less social? And I mean holding conversations and chatting or posting journals and comments, not just the occasional "hi" or "buy my YCH" or favoriting and such?

Do you think there is a lack of new "anthro cartoon fans" in the fandom, and more "I'm doing it because it seems strange (in a good way)" types?



Personally, I think it has become worse as it has become bigger and more spread out.

Hear me out...

I've been in it since the late 1990s, and it was very "live and let live" and "agree to disagree" and had very diverse people in it, race, religions, creeds, politics, and so on... sure, it's always had cliques and drama, but that drama was usually some local garbage in real life.

Furry was very "libertarian" and even "punk".

Then, around the advent of social media like 2005 or so, it exploded in popularity, but then with the advent of Patreon and the likes, got more and more cordoned off and "exclusive" with a lot of little pay-2-play furry "clubs", then it got more "political"...  not as in like "left vs right" but more "with-us-or-against-us" type mindset instead of "agree to disagree", people started embracing "cancel culture" and "censorship" ((Left AND Right)), and now "furry" seems to be treated more like a business in many places.

What I mean is, things like personal journals and blogs and the likes with people sharing thoughts and opinions and such started vanishing and getting replaced by "BUY MY YCH!" and "I'M TAKING COMMISSIONS!" and "PAY ME A MONTHLY FEE FOR ART YOU HAVE NO CHOICE OF" or the "furry scammers" that promise to deliver something like a game or animation if you subscribe to them only to milk their fans for every dollar possible and deliver constant excuses as to why they can't.

It's like the personality of furry got replaced with people trying to make money from furry because of the internet stereotype that furries are "SUSPICIOUSLY RICH" or "All working in tech". *chuckles*

I see people have gotten more "quiet" about any sort of opinions, and a lot of art has become more tame/homogeneous for the "fear" of "possibly offending" someone, even if that thing is harmless...

Hell, maybe that could even come from the lack of good ANTHRO-CARTOONS for people to grow up with these days?

And then the usual whatever-flavor-of-the-week "furry drama" happening that makes people "virtue signal about leaving" or their apparent "want" to be on the "ground floor" of whatever "new" social media or furry site pops up, thinking "there won't be furry drama at NEW PLACE, right?" before that new thing ultimately fails or becomes overly dramatic, then fractures the fandom more and more as people burn bridges or change personas or never come back.

The fandom is also getting A LOT "younger", like it was "almost" unheard of to see anyone under 16 in person at furry meetups the 90s and early 2000s, now you've got people bringing their single-digit-aged kids to conventions with people in full-on fetish gear and kink shit at the same time, and it just got uncomfortable for me when a lot of conventions went for the "all ages" approach to try and make "the most money", when a rather big portion of people going there are doing it for sex, drugs, and booze ((and don't pretend like it isn't, this has been one of the only constants of the furry fandom ^_^)).

I LOVE the adult side of the fandom, I just don't think kids should be around that, and that cons need to strictly be family-friendly or adult-only (and I don't mean fucking on the dance floor, I just mean only people 18-21+ depending on if there is a bar or not).

I think the worst thing for furry, in general, has been furs jumping onto mainstream "normie" social media to "chase the likes and followers" ((which are often bots)), it's been so toxic for the fandom when those social media sites are just not set up to be "art friendly" let alone "furry friendly" and made more for emotional manipulation and giving people that psychologically addictive "slot machine" feeling of "scrolling for gold".

So, what I am saying is: over the years, between cancel culture ((From the LEFT and RIGHT)), censorship ((be it from within the fandom or outside forces like social media or stupid laws)), monetizing the fandom, pushing it into "normie" spaces, and people constantly fracturing off and leaving the bigger furry spaces, it has definitely become a lot less diverse, less open, and less accepting and is starting to get what I'm calling "human-washed" as the censorship often comes after things like adult art, digitigrade characters, sheaths, quads, toony characters, so on and so forth.

I still love the fandom, but to me, it has felt less social and less "free" as more time goes on.





Also, as a funny side note.... With "The Bad Guys 2" and "Zootopia 2" coming out this year, we are about to see a massive influx of new-furs. *chuckles*
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Kaheiyattsu
2 weeks ago
I've been around awhile and i will say, I've never been huge into the "community" side of being a furry artist.

One, forming a community around yourself is inherently narcissistic .

And two I've always been here to please myself, and if people like it, and if they don't they don't gotta follow me, I don't care for numbers or living up to peoples standards.

And turns out with all the toxicity that's formed recently seems I was right to not care about community really. I draw for myself and my own personal happiness and the small group of friends I have. You know people who don't try to force me to conform to their beliefs and whatnot. Friends who accept you and don't judge you based on a fictional hobby you have XD

I always existed in the furry bubble but never really considered me a member of the "fandom/community" because the arbitrary and constantly changing standards were never my vibe. I'll always draw and like furry shit but I'll never conform to anyone standards but my own.

Groupthink is unhealthy, be yourself.
AxleFurret
2 weeks ago
Yeah, I grew up in the "don't label me, bruh!" generation, and now it has turned into a "I identify as *lists 500 things to label them as*" now, and if you aren't part of those 500 things, you are automatically an "enemy" or "ousider" that should never be interacted with.
ShySketch
2 weeks ago
the bussy is sussy
no cap frfr
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AxleFurret
2 weeks ago
that's some serious skibidi rizz in your Ohio broccoli!
ShySketch
2 weeks ago
opps cappin on god G
sack needs grain
MystBunny
2 weeks ago
I think we're looking at this the wrong way. The fandom itself didn't get better or worse, it just got bigger. Yeah decades ago furries were pretty much like the cub community, hated by evangelicals (still are) tight knit, misunderstood and therefore there was a sense of relief when you found that someone was a furry because "they get it". Easier to open up and be yourself around them. Now the fandom has simply grown to be more representative of society as a whole and while that certainly has a ton of down sides, there are still good communities like this one that feel more like the old days, and it's much easier to find niche ones that you do fit into.

But you're right about the "business" side, in which people either "Grow as an artist and give up everything that made it worth it" or the whole creating problems and selling solutions that is paywall subscription services.

But drama? I saw a ton of it in the old days, so that hasn't really changed. People getting more political isn't really exclusive to the fandom. Back then, people didn't pay attention to politics because the stakes weren't nearly as high, but things have been getting worse and more corrupt than we've seen in our lifetimes and that's hurting people, and we're starving for solutions. People are looking for answers wherever they can find them, for better or worse. I think we've reached a turning point in that though. We'll either lose everything or things will change for the better and in the latter, people won't be as invested in politics as we are now.
AxleFurret
2 weeks ago
Personally, I think it has become harder to find the niche groups. There are so many different messaging platforms and websites, and they of course have all their own stupid rules, that even finding a handful of similar people can become daunting and often is hyperfocused on whatever that "one niche thing" is to the point you can't talk about anything else there.... Like discord and telegram and the likes, as I don't go anywhere near mainstream social media.

And you are definitely right on the artist thing. I've seen so many people that are wonderful at furry art just leave because they couldn't make a business out of it, often because they charged way too much and didn't want to "compete" or artist that have pretty much vanished because they COULD monetize it and lock off their art to only people in subscription sites. Like I was doing a deep search of old artists I wondered what happened to over the years and fond a ton of them that vanished from the public furry fandom to milk the money from "Furry DLC Simps" as I call them.
MystBunny
2 weeks ago
What I mean is, in the old fandom you wouldn't likely have had much if any luck while looking for cub content or people who enjoy it as much. Now there are cub groups all over the place. But yeah it is kinda frustrating how many cling to Twitter and the like.
ThaPig
2 weeks ago
I'm trying hard to find ways in which it has become "better," but I can't think of much. To be fair, this is not exclusive to the furry fandom; the Internet in general has become worse. In the earlier times, when online communities existed in relatively small message boards and chats, people were more civil and respectful to each other. Content was interesting, and people shared for the enjoyment of sharing, not out of a compulsive hunt for clicks and numbers. When everything was absorbed into a handful of "social media" platforms, everything got worse. So-called "social networking" brought out the worst of humanity. The authentic voices were drowned out by the narcissistic and dysfunctional. Relevant posts were buried under memes and random shitpost. I was part of a few online groups that died out when everyone moved to Facebook.

There is another thing that has changed, but this is just my personal taste. Back in the day, there was more balance between storytelling and porn. There was always sexual content, of course, but there was an effort put into telling stories and developing characters. Nowadays, almost everything is porn. Many artists don't even understand what a "character" is supposed to be. They draw a sex act and call it an "OC." Characters have no story, no personality, no voice, just a sexual preference. Some people think "identity" equals a list of sexual fetishes. Nothing wrong with that if it's what you enjoy, but it says nothing to me. Most of the porn I see nowadays falls somewhere on a spectrum between "bores me" and "grosses me out."  ( ᐢ (oo) ᐢ )
AxleFurret
2 weeks ago
The storytelling aspect you mention is a BIIIIIG one I've noticed too!

I see and hear tons of people who think "furry" is just an "OC" or "Fursuit" and that's it, like you need one of those things to get your "I'm a furry!" achievement reward... A lot of the "personality" is gone, and holy crap, finding competent RP or cool characters with backstories is like pulling teeth now. Even something like "fursonas" wher eit is the furry version of the person that created it seem rare where people will jump from oc to oc because "whatever new thing" might be "popular" now.

But anyway, I honestly think mainstream social media has been a cancer for furry in general, and humanity as a whole.
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