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Whoactuallycares155

How do you feel about AI?

This is a touchy subject I know, and probably not the best place to put on a furry porn site. But I am curious...

To start off with me, I just see it as nothing more as a fun tool people can use. While I know I upload with nothing but AI art. Art that isn't mine, I don't really seem the harm in using it for fun. Do I find it as theft? Hmmm...I don't think so, because AI art uses original art as a reference. It can't replicate the original art piece. That's my opinion, and I've said that to someone before who called it naive and small minded. And its just a another case of someone belittle another opinion because its not the same as there's but whatever.

Is it ethically wrong? Hmmmm I don't really think so if you are some jackass alone in his room like me. Who can't afford artist, musicians, voice actors. Again if you doing it just for fun and not for money. The main problem is companies and industries using AI instead of using people who have those talents. People who deserve to have their name out there and replace with AI slop. But companies will do anything just to save up on money.

I will say tho its a little AI we only have discussions about AI when it comes to the creative field and nothing else. Because there are other jobs where AI could replace workers. But again weirdly enough I hear no one talk about that.

Now if companies weren't using AI would people still talk about it? Would it still be an issue?

Ehhhh yes I think so, but I feel like it would be a vocal minority. But at the end of the day everyone is just worried about not having job then everyone losing some creative integrity.

But AI voices tho....that scares me!
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WhiteWhiskey
4 days, 4 hrs ago
I'm not a fan. The issue with saying AI generated images (I don't really like calling it art in the first place) are "use original art as a reference" and "It can't replicate the original art piece" is that those statements in that order are...pretty false. It's trained off the original and is able to work to replicate the original in different styles if you have the right model and work it right.

I would also say yes, it is ethically wrong. Setting aside other issues, you are taking the work of the original artist and using it for something they do not want without their permission. Even if you aren't some big company, it's still true, even to the end you really don't need to since you're doing the writing anyways.

As for AI discussions about other things...Yes, that is happening. That's happening all over the place, be it replacing jobs in companies like Duolingo, getting people into trouble trying to have AI put together their legal papers, AI protections in the voice actor industry, it's being discussed in a lot of places.

I can't really do anything to force you to stop, I just block the AI tag and move on, but your arguments here come off kinda in bad faith.
Whoactuallycares155
4 days, 4 hrs ago
I respect your view point on the matter, thank you! I know come off as Pro AI I am actually kinda neutral on the whole thing but hey that still gets me in trouble. But why do you think opinion here is bad faith?
WhiteWhiskey
4 days, 3 hrs ago
Well for starters, the argument about it not being theft because you think it can't outright reproduce the piece, aside from not being correct as I said, seems in bad faith because it makes it sound like it's only theft if it's the same thing, when you are still training it off the work of the artist (Again, without their permission as I said).

Secondly, it then sounds like you're making the claim that it's not unethical because you're just doing it for fun and because you're not a big company. It doesn't really matter if you are some lone fellow, a small company or a big conglomerate, once again, it's you making use of someone else's work without their permission, likely for something they wouldn't give permission for anyways.

Also the argument of not having money just sorta doesn't sit well with me because...you could learn to do it yourself. Artists gotta start somewhere.

And the last bit could just be ignorance rather than active bad faith, but it seems like it should be hard to miss the arguments being had over other issues with AI. Especially as it's been rather loud with the arguments of VA protections against AI with the SAG-AFTRA voice actor strike that has been going on over it for months now.
Whoactuallycares155
4 days, 2 hrs ago
With the AI training thing and how it works. I just see it as the same way as a regular artist studying another piece of art. But thats me, I am open to the fact of being wrong here.

Second is also a fair point there.

Who's to say I am not some artist, VA, musician, or whatever else. I just don't post my own stuff on here unless its a fanfic. Also some times you don't have the time and the money to learn a new hobby or profession just make something stupid.

Also that last bit was a hypothetical if AI wasn't a huge controversy then being against VAs striking against AI. It was a question if AI wasn't threatening the positions of people in their jobs.
WhiteWhiskey
4 days, 2 hrs ago
If you are a VA/Musician/Whatever but you don't post here, that's fine but that's also meaning you have even less reason to be using it.

And I'm having a hard time understanding your working on the last bit, because AI actively is a big controversy in VA industry right now. And as I stated it is causing controversy elsewhere and threatening jobs
Whoactuallycares155
4 days, 2 hrs ago
Again I am asking as a "What if", what if these companies and industries never used AI to replace anyone. Would it still be a controversy?
WhiteWhiskey
4 days, 1 hr ago
If you mean "if Ai was restricted to just image generation would there still be controversy" then yes, because again, there is the ethical issues I stated earlier when it comes to image generating AI. There's a reason people have worked to make tools Nightshade to make it more difficult for AI to scrape and train off of images. Keep in mind, there was still controversy before AI became the latest buzzword to start making it's rounds, when it was just Midjourney and DALL-E and such three years ago

I'm going to be honest, this kinda seems like a weird pivot from you because originally you're talking like people aren't complaining about the other issues of AI, but this question makes it seem like the issue people have with image generation is because of the other things.
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