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I still don't see the "appeal" of AI "Art"

AI art all looks the same to me. Bland lighting with weird anatomy and perspectives. Most of the time the proportions all look fucked up too. The lighting is off too. Its to shiny and looks plastic like. And i noticed AI tends to struggle with the finer details. Mostly Hair, fingers, jewellery and eyes. I don't get it. I don't generally don't understand the appeal.

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caramelthecalf

2 weeks, 6 days ago

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It can look interesting, but yeah, so samey. It seems to be no good for telling stories while keeping any kind of consistency, lighting, positioning, character details, composition, items, backgrounds. It's all over the place. It's just unprofessional. At best, I liken it to playing with action figures, but even real action figures can be posed how you want, and in a moment. While goodluck getting AI to do anything beyond a handful of poses, from specific angles.

I rarely look at AI art anymore, I think I'll lose skill from seeing broken anatomy, proportions, and constantly changing details. This is not to say I don't follow ANY ai stuff at all, i'm following like 99% real artists... I hope. It really sucks that I can never truely be sure anymore.

As for any AI I used in anything, I think it's all been backgrounds only, and I make sure to tag it anytime I use it.

KokarcaEpicskunk

2 weeks, 5 days ago

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There's that, and then there are people, like a certain clothed person (avoiding naming) who uses AI to make artwork and then post them with minimal amount of editing done to the artwork.

I have always said this before, and I'm saying it again; if you can't remake the artwork that AI makes, you should keep those pics to yourself and not post them as your own artwork as it is not your own.

FriskeyFurley

2 weeks, 5 days ago

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i don't even call it art
since art is human expression
and typing words and letting ai do whatever it does
is just not expressing yourself.

clothes are really fucked often too
especially underwear . ai can't just get underwear flys correct.

stickyfox

2 weeks, 2 days ago

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You didn't really give an example. And you called it "art" in quotes, and you don't even trust that there is an "appeal" because you put that in quotes too.

People who use AI are not going to want to talk to you about it if you open the discussion this way. If you just want to lash out against it, I understand. But if you actually want a dialog this journal is saying otherwise.

There's lots and lots and lots of bad art on IB and in the fandom. It isn't an artist community. It's a furry fandom. If you don't like something just blacklist/block it and focus on the things that are positive for you, because focusing on flaws and differences just makes our community smaller.

ManaAraxis

2 weeks, 2 days ago

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@ stickyfox

The furry community IS an art community composed of people of varying skill levels. Like

FriskeyFurley

said, art is human expression. AI has none of that, it just mimics and fakes art.

stickyfox

2 weeks, 1 day ago

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@ ManaAraxis

Most furries are not artists. Yes, anyone is an artist the first moment they grasp a piece of chalk. But also, an artist is someone who's formally trained and practiced in art and who has a critically acclaimed body of work. And there is no requirement to be an artist to enter this fandom. In the 80s, furries were known as fans or lifestylers, basically, do you have a sketchbook full of All Dogs fan art, or a fursuit?

We are nearly exclusively art enthusiasts and hobbyists. And with that, we enjoy a greater creative freedom than artists do. We get to copy trademarked work, use screencaps from SL, all kinds of things that artists do not do.

And again... does a crayon have creativity? Does photoshop have creativity? What is it that makes an artist using AI not an artist? What part exactly? Is collage an art form? Is photography an art form? And what part of AI is not creative? The VAE? the u-net? The training? The way the user interacts with it?

Why is it OK to use a computer or a camera to express yourself, but some computer software isn't OK? Why are commissions OK? You don't create those either.

I just am unsatisfied by "it's not creative." Screencapping SL is not creative. Copying Nintendo characters is not creative. That doesn't make it not furry or frowned upon in the community.

Breetails

2 weeks, 1 day ago

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@ stickyfox

Unfortunately Mana is unable to respond. He deactivated his account. This was causing him intense stress in his life and he left because the site was no longer fun to him. He's my roommate and i see first hand how stressed this makes him.

Breetails

2 weeks, 1 day ago

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@ stickyfox

Because people make these hand made. Expressing yourself through AI is not a problem. I see it to be a good tool to get some venting done.

Breetails

2 weeks, 1 day ago

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@ stickyfox

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stickyfox wrote:

You didn't really give an example. And you called it "art" in quotes, and you don't even trust that there is an "appeal" because you put that in quotes too.

People who use AI are not going to want to talk to you about it if you open the discussion this way. If you just want to lash out against it, I understand. But if you actually want a dialog this journal is saying otherwise.

There's lots and lots and lots of bad art on IB and in the fandom. It isn't an artist community. It's a furry fandom. If you don't like something just blacklist/block it and focus on the things that are positive for you, because focusing on flaws and differences just makes our community smaller.

I used quotes because AI art does not qualify as art. Art is a form of human expression, a expression of humanity told through various mediums crafted by hand. Music, Paintings, Pictures, Photography, Pottery, Cooking, Sewing, Just naming a few at the top of my head. Art has always played a big part in human history and culture. This is why i feel so strongly against AI art. It's a tool not a replacement for a artists.
Yes the furry fandom is also a art community, considering how much art is in the fandom. Fursuits, badges, Pictures, Paintings, Body Pillows. Art plays a huge part in the furry fandom. Most old school furries came from old Disney movies like Robin Hood and Lion King. I got into the furry fandom because of video games, I found some starfox art i liked and 20 years later i draw dicks for a living.

stickyfox

2 weeks, 1 day ago

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@ Breetails

You mention music, painting, illustration, photography, pottery, and cooking.

How do you feel about autotune? autofocus? AI in a kiln thermostat or an oven? SAI's stroke smoothing? 3D screencaps from SL/VRChat?

I also think you're conflating "medium" with "art."

Is it not possible for an artist to use AI to make something original? Why do you think so?

Breetails

2 weeks, 1 day ago

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@ stickyfox

Those are all fine. Those are tools. Ovens now have AI thermostats? That's neat, i want my oven to have a AI thermostat. I don't use sai i use clip studio paint not aware of the smoothing. That's also fine, its a tool and for my shakey paws that sound's like a good tool to use, im sure Clip Studio has it too. As for your last question. Yeah AI can make something original, It wont look good imo.

AI pictures trigger that part of my brain that says "this isn't right.." Kind of like a uncanny feeling? If that make's sense. Kind of like the uncanny valley. Kind of like a cat trying to talk. I'm trying to explain this the best i can.

No I'm not conflating medium with art. I find everything i mentioned above to be a form of art.

Truth be told i find the technology behind AI interesting and i think its neat. I just don't like how its harming the community i love. People are using a cool tool in the wrong way. You can like AI art. That's fine. You are entitled to your own views and i understand where your coming from. I read your comments in various journals and pictures. I get it. Drawing is hard and not everyone can do it. But, anyone can draw. I fervently believe that. Anyone can pick up a pen and learn the basics and slowly over time learn. It's like learning a instrument. it takes time and that's not for everyone. But saying your a artist because you use AI to make pictures is where i kinda get annoyed. I do like the name AI Director, That's fine. Although Director gives me more of a Source Film Maker mental image.

stickyfox

2 weeks, 1 day ago

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@ Breetails

I guess what I'm really wondering is,

- how many AI artists have you been following, and
- what is it specifically about their art that you don't get or that you can't overlook?

or, (and this is totally ok) do you just not look at AI, or have the tag blacklisted?

Breetails

2 weeks, 1 day ago

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@ stickyfox

No i don't follow any AI artist. I tend to unfollow people if they switch from being a artist to a AI artist. Messing with it is fine like a few one off "hears something cool i made in AI" but if that's all they do then its a turn away from me.

As for what their art. Its mostly the lighting and proportions. Small anatomy errors that's like nails on a chalkboard.. Like the arms are to long, or the angle is off, or the body bends in a weird way. When you learn to draw over time your brain gets used to seeing patterns, the human body after all is mostly tubes and balls. Once you start to learn to see them as basic shapes and break them down your brain has a hard time not noticing these things. I saw one picture a while ago, think it was deleted or my comment got removed so can't really find it anymore. It was on IB. It was a dalmatian with their legs spread in their underwear and the calfs are way to long compared to the thighs, and the way the eyes are shaped seems so off. Like they're surprised but also confused. And the way the perspective was it looked off. I'm struggling to explain this correctly. I struggle with proper wording a lot. Yay disabilities.

and yeah i blocked the tags. Friends still send me them sometimes, or i see them in group chats on telegram. Sometimes people can't tell the difference between a AI picture and a hand made one. My roommate also spams me with furry art and accidentally sends me AI art every now and then. A close friend of mine is dealing with some sever hand injuries and does AI art as a outlet for stress. They can't draw much anymore. They show me their pictures they make with AI and i even give funny suggestions for them to do. Like Sephoroth at Mcdonalds, and there's a youtuber i watch that shows off AI pictures in their feed sometimes.

Breetails

2 weeks, 1 day ago

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@ stickyfox

Oh and i do not have any formal education in art. I'm a self taught artist who also got training from several artist friends of mine. I would love to go to a art school for animation. It's never going to happen though.

stickyfox

2 weeks, 1 day ago

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@ Breetails

I don't want to seem like an elitist by asking about your experience/tastes.... but art school covers a lot of sociological and psychological issues... and it also embraces the power to create emotions... including unease.

I think most people would immediately assume that Jacek Yerka is an AI artist, even though he developed his style decades ago using watercolors and acrylics. I'm curious what you think of his work.

I think you might be surprised at just how far AI has come; especially in terms of its usefulness to artists. If you think Yerka is interesting, and you are bored some time, watch a couple of Karoly Zsolnai-Feher's "two-minute papers" on AI. He's a mathematician, but his videos are accessible even if you don't know algebra because he's very big-picture.

Oh and I forgot, since I mentioned him... AI is also doing the shading in gaming graphics cards now because it's more efficient than using vectors.

I think that AI is no different from tracing paper or photoshop. You can steal with it, you can make uninspired garbage with it, or you can make something amazing. I just hope that since you have gone out of your way to take a stance against it, and because you unwatch artists who use it... that you're not making an incorrect assumption about their motives. I hope this because aside from studying neural nets and denoising algorithms professionally, and even from reading papers about how it works.. I had zero experience in how generative AI actually worked, and when I started using it, I was quite surprised at what it is and is not.

It's changed so much in just the past 12 months that if you're not keeping up with it, I honestly don't think you could possibly have an opinion about it.

Breetails

2 weeks, 1 day ago

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@ stickyfox

OH i also forgot, I do watch some AI youtubers, DemonDisc is funny. I love those Marval Rivels ruined by AI.

stickyfox

2 weeks, 1 day ago

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@ Breetails

I used to be really into Obama, Trump, and Biden gaming before our political scene got out of control.

And also I will admit that I'm into "edgy" art. I studied new media theory in the same art dept where Igor Vamos taught (but he was away making a movie that year, sadface ...) and I've seen some pretty bizarre stuff. He once reverse-shoplifted a bunch of GI Joe and Barbie dolls with their voice chips swapped back into stores for Christmas and a bunch of kids got Barbies that said "TAKE NO PRISONERS," and GI Joes that "love shopping!"

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