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I'm going to say this as clearly as I can:

No other form of artwork on this site is required to document software used (including the requirements for being open source), settings, styles or anything like that, for each and every instance.

In fact such is expressly forbidden by this site's own charter, the Inkbunny Philosophy.

d.m.f.

Weiss

2 weeks, 6 days ago

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@ dmfalk

No other form of artwork on this site is created in the same way AI is created. The reason you are required to disclose your tools, models, etc is to make sure you're not outright copying the art style of a different artist. And before you say" Oh but it's allowed to with non AI works" no it's not. You're not allowed to trace either and even derivative works need the express permission of the original artist. Plus, as they don't allow closed source tools, they have to make sure whatever you generate is reproducible, hence why they even require you to disclose the prompts you use. Not to mention that, as the ACP states, they want to discouraging proprietary tools or services based on harvesting publicly-accessible work to create a walled garden. Comparing AI creations with traditional art is ludicrous since the process for their creation is completely different. IB has always been for and about artists and seeing as how the vast majority of said artists are against AI, these rules are necessary and following them is not hard or complicated. Even I am guilty of not completely following them until now.

quintisian27

2 weeks, 6 days ago

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"No other form of artwork on this site is created in the same way AI is created."

art ai's are a tool used to create images and videos. just like any other tool used to create art. the main reason such extreme rules are in place for ai and nothing else is because "it's not art if it isn't created by human hands".

"The reason you are required to disclose your tools, models, etc is to make sure you're not outright copying the art style of a different artist."

same thing can be done without art ai's.

"And before you say" Oh but it's allowed to with non AI works" no it's not. You're not allowed to trace either and even derivative works need the express permission of the original artist."

and yet non-ai art does not receive the same extreme treatment and rules.

"Comparing AI creations with traditional art is ludicrous since the process for their creation is completely different."

and there's the bullshit argument that amounts to "it's not art if it isn't created by human hands".

"these rules are necessary and following them is not hard or complicated"

yeah, necessary for driving people away from this website. this makes 3 ai artists in 7 days driven away by these extreme rules.

it would be just as well if inkbunny publicly banned ALL ai art from the website.

this is ALL BS! all because people can't STAND a form of technology doing what they've been doing for years quicker and easier.

keep crying about cars, horse-drawn carriage drivers!

Weiss

2 weeks, 6 days ago

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a)Except the tool doesn't create anything original, instead copies pre existing work. It's not the same as creating art by hand
b)Yes, and you're as equally forbidden to do it
c)Yes it does. Try uploading a traced drawing, see what happens to it and to your account
d)I never said it's not art, I said the creation process is different, don't put words in my mouth that I never said
e)They were not driven away by extreme rules, they left over pure LAZINESS. The rules have always existed in this fashion and if when they first started they read the rules fully and followed them, this wouldn't be happening. If the rules were as extreme as you said then ALL of the AI artists would be leaving and that's definitely not the case

Much like everything else on this site, the AI rules exist to protect the site against possible trouble, especially since copyright laws regarding AI are still murky at the very best. Neither the mods nor the site's owner are against AI, if they were they wouldn't allow it to begin with. It's not their fault people don't follow the set rules. If some artists can follow the rules, why can't others? If some artists can stay and continue uploading their gens, why do others leave?

tl:dr don't be lazy, follow the damn rules and stop bitching about something that isn't real

TheDeinonychus

2 weeks, 6 days ago

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This shows you know very little about how AI art works, or art in general for that matter. ALL art is derived, in some part, from the works of others. No one spontaneously develops the ability to draw with no outside influence. AI learns to draw the same way humans do, by mimicking what's already been done and applying changes. Just like a human artist, AI takes influence from multiple different sources and combines them into something new, often not recognizable as any one style.

You can, of course, intentionally mimic a particular style, the same way any decent artist could. However, despite what you claim, if one artist draws in another artist's style, it's allowed on this site. But if AI is used, it's suddenly considered 'theft' somehow. There's a reason you can't get a patent for an art style.

And honestly, some of the 'art' I've seen people post to this site is so bad, it makes even the most jank of AI art look amazing, yet no one brings up questions of 'quality' unless they're trying to criticize AI art.

If you don't like AI art, then learn how to filter out the tags you don't want to see instead of telling a large portion of the community they are not allowed to express their creativity.

Weiss

2 weeks, 6 days ago

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@ TheDeinonychus

Here's the difference though: When a human draws something, even if inspired by someone else's style, they put their own spin on it. AI can't do that, AI can only replicate, completely or otherwise depending on how it's trained.
"However, despite what you claim, if one artist draws in another artist's style, it's allowed on this site." No it's not. Look at the ACP. Tracing is not allowed, 1:1 exact copies are not allowed. Again, when a human draws, even if inspired by someone else's work they put their own spin on it, they don't copy it exactly.
"If you don't like AI art" Brother, look at my recent submissions, does it LOOK like I don't like AI art? I'm simply not throwing a hissy fit and calling the mods tyrants over the enforcement of rules that have always existed and are more than fair

FauxPika

2 weeks, 6 days ago

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lol dude, I literally AM an AI prompter and even I know why these rules are the way they are. There's already lawsuits flying in real life over AI's "learning" process being blatant copyright infringement. No amount of gaslighting is going to change that fact. If anyone on either side of the fence wants to get mad, they should get mad at the people who designed the AI art generators in the first place. Instead of blaming people who use the tool or mods who enforce rules designed to attempt to negate copyright infringement. Truth be told, at this point, there is no surefire way to fix the problem. I'm just glad the mods here are at least trying to find a reasonable middle ground to satisfy all parties. Instead of just outright banning all AI art, like a lot of other sites have. It's just too bad, I don't have the time to keep up with all the requirements.

Weiss

2 weeks, 6 days ago

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@ FauxPika

The question of copyright regarding AI generations is...murky to say the least as there's currently no set rules in place. Yes, AI generation does need more regulation and actual rules set in place to avoid abuse. But yes, you are completely correct, the mods are not at fault, the rules are not at fault, the people using the tools are not at fault, it's just the way AI is right now, nothing that can be done about it in this moment in time. Just the fact that IB even allows AI generations to be uploaded in the first place is something we should all be thankful for, the rules set are more than fair. What bothers me the most is how some people are calling it quits while others are simply unaffected. I was hit myself since most of my submissions had more than 6 pics, I just deleted the extra ones and that was that. But the people complaining about" oh why do we have to disclose our tools or model versions or model hash numbers" and calling the mods tyrants and draconian, it just don't sit right with me, you know?

FauxPika

2 weeks, 6 days ago

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bro my entire gallery got nuked last week, so if anyone should be throwing a hissy fit, it should be me but I'm not. I'm simply uploading my generated art to e6ai and moving on. If I ever get good at using one of the inkbunny green lit generators (which a mod was kind enough to link me to btw), I will post stuff here again too at some point. This is the problem with free stuff. People want their cake and eat it to and that's not how real life works. If you want to be on a site, you have to follow the rules. If you want a computer to draw art for you, you have to accept that our CURRENT tech is not only shady but as of 2025 in the USA, you do NOT own the copyright to anything you render, unless you have HEAVILY edited it as to have at least 50% original material added manually by a human hand, not typed text into a machine. Not my words. Actual copyright law in the USA. And yes, from what I've gathered, that means all AI art is technically public domain. Which creates even more legal paradoxical clusterfuck.

Weiss

2 weeks, 5 days ago

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@ FauxPika

I just gen stuff on Civitai and all the checkpoints and lora are hosted there. I always link the stuff on the description of my posts so the mods can just check all the info there so I assume that is one of their greenlit generators since everything there is public. I'm pretty sure only the closed source ones or ones with proprietary models are not allowed. And man, if that is actually the copyright law in the US, that sounds like a legal nightmare

FauxPika

2 weeks, 5 days ago

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Indeed, the mod who deleted my gallery explained that the generator has to be open source, so all models used can be examined. Sadly the generator I was using was open to the public but it's code was not open source. lol yes what a surprise, the technophile tech bros caused legal clusterfuck because they gave no shits to think about the ramifications before they released their new toy. That or they knew it would be a problem and figured by the time copyright law caught up, it'd be too late to sue them. We'll see I guess.

quintisian27

2 weeks, 5 days ago

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@ FauxPika

i stopped caring about copyright laws long ago when companies weaponized them. the video game industry, but mainly nintendo, is a great example of the weaponization of copyright law. they'll sue anyone who dares to so much as LOOK at any of their IP's funny. disney's even worse.

those laws may have originally been put into place as a form of protection but now? now they exist as a weapon to prevent derivative creations and stifle creativity whenever possible.

heck, people are lucky nintendo is kind and generous enough to allow them to draw pictures and make videos based on their precious pokemon IP. they could bring the hammer down at any time and no one would even try to stop them.

all that would happen is people chanting "they are well within their legal rights". not all laws are right or good, especially when it comes to how they're used.

FauxPika

2 weeks, 5 days ago

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The thing is, those companies are not actually following copyright law. Copyright law is not only a good thing but absolute necessity. The reason it appears to be "weaponized" is not the law it's self, it's the companies who are actually violating the law. When foreigners steal intellectual property, the government is supposed to take action but they don't, because of corruption. When people are supposed to be allowed fair use under copyright law, companies blatantly ignore it and take stuff down anyway. Again, the government does nothing about it because corruption. When Disney or Lucus films tries to copyright things outside the legal realm of copyrightable material, the government does nothing and Lucus films ends up owning the sound of hitting a wrench against a high tension steel support line (that's what your star wars laser sound is) and Disney ends up owning the rights to sand, or mice, or the shape of your penis, or something else that's actually not allowed to be copyrighted. Then people think it's copyright law that's to blame. It's not. It's failing to follow the law that's to blame. That's corruption. Neither the government nor these corporate entities are actually following the law. The same thing happened with free market capitalism. Most problems are being created by monopolies and you are explicitly not allowed monopolies under the laws of capitalism (look up antitrust laws). Again, the government does not actually apply the law, because they are corrupt and in bed with the big corps. So people think it's capitalism that's failing. When it's actually our own government/legal system that's failing, because they aren't actually following the law.

Sorry for the shit brick of text. There are a lot of lawyers in my family, so I can't help it lol.

RunicMyth

2 weeks, 5 days ago

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Yep. It's the "pHoToGrApHy IsN't ReAl ArT" spaz-out all over again. Ten years from now, these folks are going to be pretending they never had a thing to say against it because they're so embarassed at how stupid their younger selves behaved.

quintisian27

2 weeks, 5 days ago

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more than likely as that does tend to be the case when one looks back on earlier parts of their life.

RunicMyth

2 weeks, 5 days ago

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Style isn't subject to copyright to begin with. Y'all are just butthurt hypocrites. Or do you have "permission" to be copying Ross Bagdasarian's style? Hmmmmm?

Weiss

2 weeks, 5 days ago

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No one said it was. However it's a core part of this site's rules that you can't copy another person's style. Even for non AI works, you're not allowed to trace. Why should AI works be any different?
Also dunno why you're bringing up Ross Bagdasarian since my Chipmunks pics look NOTHING like his works. Besides, if you want to go through that avenue then every single rule 34 artist that draws on model out there would be subjected to copyright infringement and that's just not the case now is it? I wonder why that is...
Yall just love missing the point and complaining about nothing don't you?

RunicMyth

2 weeks, 4 days ago

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You're the one complaining about folks minding their own business and cheering on other folks for harassing them. Now you're complaining about me rubbing your nose in it. Hypocrisy, get thee hence! *spit*

Weiss

2 weeks, 4 days ago

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No, I' m complaining about people's inability to follow rules that have been set since day one AND blaming the staff for leaving when the only cause of them leaving is their own lazyness. You rubbed no one's nose in nothing, all you did was whataboutisms. Besides, you do realize that if Ross Bagdasarian wanted to, he very well could copyright strike and sue anyone who draws Chipmunk stuff right? He won't because he doesn't care but her very well could. Hell, just look at Nintendo's approach to Rule 34 lately

RunicMyth

2 weeks, 4 days ago

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Now you're just lying and trying to rewrite history. And, hilariously, delve into whataboutism in the same breath you falsely complain about it ("what about YOU" ain't whataboutism, it's calling out blatant and unrepentant hypocrisy)

People like you are literally driving artists away from an art site. That is terrible and you should be ashamed of yourself. You are not forgiven, and you will get your karma one day, when you least expect it.

Weiss

2 weeks, 4 days ago

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"Trying to rewrite history" no, that's you. And yes, it's is whataboutism when you literally mislead and deflect away from my original point.
No no, the only thing driving artists away from this site is their own inability to follow rules. They complain and complain and complain when all they had to do was follow the damn rules. Why do you think some AI prompters are thriving and continuing to do what they have always done and a small number of them are leaving? Because the ones who are staying actually follow the rules, as should everyone else. My own AI content got hit, did you think I threw a hissy fit when the mod team contacted me about my transgressions? No, I fixed what was wrong and moved on with my life. The mod that contacted me was nothing short of stellar in their attitude and patience, surely a far cry from the "tyrannical" and "draconian" mods that everyone else seems to be dealing with. Making sure that every submission follows the rules is not harassment, it's the mods doing their damn job. but no, people like you are never happy unless they have something to complain about. If I didn't know any better, I'd be calling you and people like you a Karen right about now. Also, what OP says in their post, that they can't gather all that detailed information? BULL SHIT. They can, they just won't because they're too damn lazy to check whatever site they downloaded their resources from

RunicMyth

2 weeks, 4 days ago

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You've revealed your true colors, and you are 100% as I expected "Weiss." Utterly despicable.

norsehorse

2 weeks, 6 days ago

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Will miss your lovely art. I do hope someday you will decide to come back.

SomeAIArtist

2 weeks, 6 days ago

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Sorry to see you go! 😢

ShadowTheDarkEmperor

2 weeks, 6 days ago

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Take care my friend. I hope life treats you well

fur1essshe1ter

2 weeks, 6 days ago

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First roareyraccoon, now you.
This is sad 😔

quintisian27

2 weeks, 6 days ago

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and so another artist leaves because of this freaking ai art hate BS.

AmaraMcLeod

2 weeks, 6 days ago

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i am sorry to see you go, i did my best with my AI to abide by the rules but they got to me too, i just took down the posts they said were bad and thats that

quintisian27

2 weeks, 6 days ago

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Weiss

and here we go with the hit and block tactic. that doesn't prevent someone from replying to your comments, it just puts a hoop in the way. i can still see and reply to the comment this way, coward.

"Except the tool doesn't create anything original, instead copies pre existing work. It's not the same as creating art by hand"

"It's not the same as creating art by hand"

my point on that has been proven.

"Yes, and you're as equally forbidden to do it"

got it. inspiration and derivative works are forbidden.

"I never said it's not art, I said the creation process is different, don't put words in my mouth that I never said"

"It's not the same as creating art by hand" implies this to be the case.

"They were not driven away by extreme rules, they left over pure LAZINESS."

and that's simply not the truth at all. ai artists are having their content hidden by moderators and keep having to give more and more information on how they created a given pic with some leaving as a result.

that's not laziness. that's people not wanting to put up with such extreme rules that non-ai artists don't have to put up with.

"The rules have always existed in this fashion"

since when? since the site was created? this ai art wasn't even a thing back then. no, these rules were made and added when people started uploading ai art. so, no, these rules haven't "always existed in this fashion".

"Neither the mods nor the site's owner are against AI, if they were they wouldn't allow it to begin with"

not really looking that way as time goes on and the amount of detail and info ai artists have to provide continues to increase...

"It's not their fault people don't follow the set rules."

such extreme rules regarding the creation of art that non-ai artists have or have to follow. how much granular detail about the creation of a picture or video do non-ai artists have to provide with every SINGLE post they make here on inkbunny?

"tl:dr don't be lazy, follow the damn rules and stop bitching about something that isn't real"

keep on hating all you want, horse drawn carriage driver! all you want to do is bitch about and impose more and more rules and restrictions on a new technology.

oh, and stop projecting, you lazy bum! also...oh, right...and let's not forget this jab too:

*in a nasally voice* O C...DO...NOT...STEAL!

RunicMyth

1 week, 6 days ago

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