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stickyfox

Yeah, I do keep a list.

I do in fact have a list. But it's probably not what you're thinking it is.

Some people like to just shit on everyone else's good time. That's all they live for. They'll create an account on a site like IB and fling out a few dogwhistles to see if they can attract some latent racists or transphobes, then build a cozy little community of trolls around a few art memes.

Then when they have enough disciples to mount an attack, they'll start in on individuals that represent a community they don't like. Cub art, AI, vaccines, whatever loose threads they can spot in our communities' tattered emotions.

Then when the inevitable moderation action takes place, they cry victim and point to all the persecution they've suffered because of their faith, or their personal health decisions or the morality they hold others to. Their fans hum a sad chorus in the background to make them look like saints. And it goes on and on for years until finally they push it a little too hard and get permabanned.

So yeah, I have a list of these people. They're actively harming people I care about. When I see one of my favorite artists empty their gallery out and announce that they're leaving the site or the fandom, and I look in their shouts and see that someone I recognize for the umpteenth time has been in there harassing trans or Latino people, I recognize it as what it is: a pattern of abusive behavior.

But I don't share this list. I don't give it to my friends (other than to occasionally say "did you read what that racist fuckhead said on IB?" in a context where names aren't needed), or warn moderators about them. I don't plan on doing anything bad to them at some point in the future when I get superpowers.

It just happens... and when I see a troll harassing someone who's never said anything mean in the six years I've followed them; and I recognize them as a troll, the incident sticks in my head. And so does the mechanical action of taking a moment to post "hey guys, this is why ____ got kicked off of ___ five years ago, don't feed the troll."

And when I see someone who's dumb enough to fall for a remote access scam... and shameless enough to write a journal about it... telling someone who's just lost access to medical care by executive order to "stop fearmongering" because "P2025 is just a liberal scam," I mean, those people end up sticking in my head too. Because you shouldn't give dangerous things, like a social media platform, to people who aren't competent to take care of themselves. I blame their parents for not teaching them about self-awareness.

My list isn't even written down anywhere, because people can change over time, and if someone isn't repeatedly being a shithead to people I like over a period of years, I eventually do stop thinking about them. Our fandom is splitting apart and sites like this are dying because we can't stop harassing AI users on a site that allows conscientious use of AI, or cub artists who are uploading in accordance with the AUP that we all agreed to, or people whose genitals are thousands of miles away from us, but don't physically resemble what their driver's license predicts.

So yeah, some names in the fandom do ring a bell, due entirely to their owners' incessant bell-ringing. And you have nothing to fear if you're on that list. But if you're on that list, just realize it's a shitty list to be on, and you're the only person who can cross your name off.

Again, I don't share this list so please don't ask me for advice on who to block or use your sockpuppet to catch me in a contradiction. I may as well have blocked you for a completely unrelated reason. If you don't want to be remembered in future generations as one of the 21st Century American Blackshirts then just stop supporting a fascist.

There's a word for Nazis who were only being Nazis for their own safety or comfort. It's "Nazis."
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Labyrias
1 week ago
This is not exactly a response to what you wrote, but rather something general to the times we live in today, but i remember how 20 years ago the internet was a place where people yearned to connect with eachother regardless of opinion and belief. Even in clashing, even in disagreeing with eachother, even when fighting with eachother, there was a healthy happiness to it.
Like it was not the end of the world.
Everyone had enough self-awareness, self-respect, self-esteem to not trail off into this sort of tribal, echo chamber grown, us vs them attitude that has become pervasive to today's people and internet.

It was all fun and games till people talked with eachother.
Even if they decided to sh*t all over eachother, there was communication.
Now we are enterin an era where people are making lists about their grievances from 5-6 years ago and combine these with political affiliations and what not.

It might seem cute to you.
It might even seem justified.
Heck, you know what? You might even be justified in some instances where the immovable object meets up with the unstoppable force.

But remember this much: The way we got here from 20 years ago. Into this sorry state we are today.
We will get into a future 20 years from now where all this bs attitude of not talking to others and keeping lists will result in blood flowing on the open streets and whatever side will be in power then, doesnt even matter which, they will be doing sh*t you have seen only in history books.

Its surreal to watch humanity from a golden age of peace and normalcy to slip back into soviet style censorship, authoritarianism, police state, making lists like in soviet times and probably very soon, start to send eachother off to camps.
And all this over what?
Trolling?
Disagreements?
Hurt ego?
Words on a screen.

Nobody can value the happiness of disagreeing with others online until they find themselves in a trench among the corpses of their friends.
I guess every generation needs to create their own horrors from which they can once again learn to value life from.
stickyfox
1 week ago
I guess what I'm saying is, if it gets to where I'm in Wendy Crewson's predicament, and I only have the strength to pull McCaulay or Elijah to safety, I'm letting go of McCaulay. Even if he calls me mommy just before I let go.

We're entering the phase of the game where people have limited resources to deal with life and can no longer support those who work to make the struggle more difficult.

I got suckered once, and it was for a lot longer than twenty years. This is my oath that there will not come a time when I'm asked why I supported or enabled fascism in my community.
stickyfox
1 week ago
You did get me thinking, and I don't personally believe this has anything to do with old grievances or "cancel culture." And I don't want to cloud the issue.. I'm not talking about words and feelings, I mean real world consequences, like veterans losing healthcare or income, or people dying when their treatment is no longer covered.

I don't think that a ten year old tweet from James Gunn with a joke about pedos, taken in the context of his entire body of work as a filmmaker, is in itself an issue. And likewise, a long career of "not getting caught raping anybody" shouldn't discount an allegation of rape.

But if you have a longstanding public beef against a whole group of people, and you start antagonizing those people in a new venue, then there's something different going on besides censorship. It's sociopathic behavior.

You don't just "disagree with" a claim that human rights shouldn't be respected.

If you ask me, social media has conditioned people to value their "likes and subscribes" over a solid commitment to a set of values. And when your likes and subscribes matter more to you than your actual behavior, you get two conflicting signals. The internet tells you you're right while everyone on the internet screams at you to knock it off.
Labyrias
1 week ago
>>You don't just "disagree with" a claim that human rights shouldn't be respected.

I do. As long as it remains a claim, i do with a claim what i do with any other claim. I debunk it. Thats what a conversation is.

When you go from that, to the notion that "your beliefs justify me kicking your face in" antifa style where it suddenly became okay to punch a nazi, and then a hundred other different escalations, you get what we have today. Spite and right wing backlash.
You get Trump. You get Maga, and if it keeps on escalating even further, you will either get an Adolf Hitler or a Joseph Stalin depending on which way the pendulum swings, and then once that dude has piled up a high enough mountain of corpses, they and their followers get drowned in blood as well so we can all go back to the place we were at around year 2000, where things could be talked over because everyone had enough of escalations, of punching, of corpses piling up on the streets.

People can either decide to talk it out, to tolerate eachother, or they can start the cycle of escalation as they always do and end up in a reality where they suddenly get an epiphany and realize that maybe talking things out is better than walking through blood drenched streets lined by starving, orphaned children.

/rant

This is all extremely dramatic to talk about under a post about a black list, but i have been alive long enough to know what was and where we are headed given the current metrics.
Less than 30 years ago Soviet troops were still occupying my country.
Lessons about the value of life and speech are a bit more... fresh... around here.

I guess in the end i have used your post to rant about the state of the world... i apologize for that. This was not meant to dump my bs on you or to accuse you of anything i... i guess i am just getting old as well now. The longer you are alive the more things you need to put into perspective and the consequence is that your values shift as well.
Well... doesnt really matter.
Its not like tossing pebbles into a river is going to reverse it's flow.
This golden age, this society, and all of its works are going to burn again. As they always have. It is our nature and it is our history as human beings to do this perpetually.
stickyfox
6 days, 21 hrs ago
oh no not at all.. please share anything you like. I am very troubled by the idea that it's bad or nihilistic to discuss these things. Can't keep it bottled up.
Labyrias
6 days, 20 hrs ago
At the very least... i completely understand the sentiment of just wanting to block out people and not bother with their nonsense.
At a certain point it just... becomes not worth the effort. Or at least it seriously feels like it.
stickyfox
4 days, 6 hrs ago
I think it's a game we're all playing, unknowingly.

We've been given the tools to put all these little walls up in the social fabric, and now we're reaching the stage of play where the walls have become obstacles between, and prisons around, all of our ideas.

My little rant here is the conclusion I arrived at after considering making the "if you __ unfollow me" journal. It isn't worth the effort... but my brain, like any normal one, will keep associating names with assholery as long as the people with the names keep committing assholerous acts.

It's not that I don't like their policy on student loans or immigration. I just won't stand by and ignore fascism. I never felt this way before people started violating human rights and fundamental aspects of civilization, and it's not like I was sounding the alarm over gun rights or the drinking age or the student loan fiasco. We all need food and air and hospitals.
Labyrias
4 days, 6 hrs ago
Im an european, im sitting at the edge of what is starting to become the next effing soviet union, so problems with fascists and nazis are the least of my issues, but if the tables were reversed: Sure. I too would be concerned about the far right.
In fact... I actually am concerned about the far right because the left has pushed the pendulum. In america as well.
And now its swinging back. And in europe, thanks to the literal soviet style laws combined with the lack of security, two tier law systems and uncontrolled immigration, the backlash might be way more severe. And i do mean WAY more severe.

Thanks to the overreach of the left, the right was reawakened.
And here is the thing: Its a pendulum.
If the left in america decides to hold a grudge and push even further the next time they are in power, you will in response probably start to see actual fascists and nazis which are out for blood. Not maga, not these third rate redneck trolls who want to put their own country first and are now just taking the piss out of everyone. No. The right in america is still far from a state where they'd consider their fellow americans an existential threat which needs to be dealt with.
But if the back and forth gets there... or in the reverse...

What i am trying to say here is that the side doesnt matter.
Everyone's interest with half a brain should be to fight for locking the pendulum in the middle.
No grudges, no pushback, no nothing. Cause the more you push, the harder it will swing back the next time around.

But to be fair, im not even sure if its avoidable at all.
As long we have people who not only think that speech is violence, but want to actually stop it because they think its violence, the outcome of an extreme backlash is inevitable. An each swing the other side will crack down on the other side's values and rights even harder.

Is it avoidable?
stickyfox
4 days, 5 hrs ago
I'm not aware of any leftist actions that have taken place here in the USA in the last couple decades.

We almost had student loan forgiveness.

But everything else has been massively retrograde, not just conservative. Trump's entire platform is undoing things. We are losing health care and education and clean air and food safety; progressive traits that made us successful.

So I really can't see how the left is responsible for the new fascist movement.

If you look at American wages, production, and corporate salaries, and democrat and republican legislature before and after 1970, you can see a staggeringly obvious break. Wages have not gone up, in half a century. Productivity has never stopped going up. CEOs went from making 20-30 times their employees to hundreds, thousands, even millions of times what they pay their workers in the case of our co-president. Most of this was deliberate action taken by the republican party. They have been cutting taxes and deregulating business the entire time I've been alive.

This is why you frequently hear that Reaganomics was the beginning of the end for the USA. It's what my grandparents complained about when I was a kid and Ronald Reagan was just a nice man on TV like Mister Rogers.

Fascism is an obvious "low-hanging fruit" for the GOP. Racism has been a problem here since the 1700s, and anything that turns voters against one another takes the heat off the billionaires.

If you ask me, the only pendulum is the Foucault pendulum that threatens to knock over the chess men of prejudice, xenophobia, and white supremacy. Locking the USA in its present state will do no good for anyone except white christian nationalists and the wealthy. We are not on a healthy or honorable course.
stickyfox
4 days, 5 hrs ago
avoidable? I doubt it. Not here.

People in the bottom 12% are considered too stupid to serve in the military. They cause more problems than the value of their labor. You can't give an idiot hand grenades.

But there's no barrier to vote. Well.. there's one. You can't be poor, or you won't be able to afford to get to the polls, or pay for the documentation needed to prove under our new laws that you're a citizen.

Our economic system is designed to indoctrinate hicks with latent racist traits learned from their ancestors; to marginalize people who look or talk like they're missing some good old down home American genetics. To fix that, more comfortable white employed people like myself are going to have to do something bigger than just tweet they support Ukraine.

I used to design and make parts for spacecraft. I resigned under ethical grounds because Musk is one of my customers and I find his contracts to be in violation of the NSPE Code of Ethics. Which doesn't matter to him because he never took a single engineering course. My stomach hurts sometimes, but hunger feels better than the nauseating self-loathing at the end of every single day of enabling a billionaire. And in spite of my open criticism of his dangerous behavior, people around me.. people who consider themselves my friends... still use twitter and they still think SpaceX is cool and they still buy Teslas.

Most Americans aren't even aware that an international treaty governs the conduct of engineers to protect all of humanity from things like phony scientists selling tickets to father/son couples to ride on plastic submarines on father's day, or self-driving cars with windows that can't be broken by firemen when they catch fire or drive into a pond and drown their occupants. A fake engineer designed an amusement park ride that beheaded a teenager. It just doesn't occur to most of us that it's a profession, like law or medicine. Even now if one of his shitty rockets explodes, I may be called to give months of testimony some day because my signature is tangled up with that asshole.

Things matter to people, whether it's being able to take their hands off the wheel, or living in a country where everyone has the right to be alive. I don't even know where to start changing an attitude like that. Setting an example has done nothing so far.
Labyrias
4 days, 4 hrs ago
No idea how the left is responsible for maga?
I mean im living on the other side of the planet quite literally but i can draw you a line from the November 5, 2015, Yale University screaming at teachers over feeling uncomfortable about halloween costumes, through the culture war, to 2025 where the entire entertainment industry has basically imploded because ppl have just had enough of seeing californian fish people in every game, every show, every movie, ever series, lecturing everyone about leftist talking points.

I never thought i'd witness a day where AAA games made by multi billion dollar companies over the course of years, would have such a unified rejection from the side of the customers that they'd be being played literally only by the paid reviewers and a handful of stragglers.

If you dont understand how maga is the result of the left's meddling then you missed out on a lot that went down in the background. I still recall one of the first victims being the Atheist movement on early youtube. How they should become atheism+ because lets include feminism.

Human beings are conformists.
They want circus and bread. That is a quote for the ages.
The moment the left decided to ruin the circus for everyone... well... you can either relate to what im saying or you cant. Naturally if you havent followed any part of the 15 years of culture war and shifting, pulling up games and tv shows sounds nonsensical to you.

But i also that ppl in the west have become too entitled and sheltered.
Sure you got a point about corruption, about inconveniences, about grudges and mean things, but... well i dont f-ing know, in 1991 we still had soviet troops in our country as part of occupation so coming from a country where you were literally dragged off into a work camp for wrong think, all of these things seem definitely completely trivial.

I think the mix is too broad.
There are definitely people in america who had taken the short end of the stick to the point of it being life threatening, but the majority is just the new generations that think they are entitled to live a life without any kind of negativity in it. Including other ppl who disagree with them to the point of 2015 Yale screaming fest over how the f anyone dares to wear halloween costumes then 2 years later triggered children holding teachers hostage at Evergreen.

And i still remember how i watched news on it going like "well its college. College is wild, but these things stay at the college."
And then just a year or two later those nutters started flowing out from colleges, into society, and the shift started.

I god honestly dont know what happened to american schooling between 2000 and 2015 but you can pretty much put a date on when these marxist nutters started to surface. Not a blip till then. And then suddenly around 2015 the gates of hell opened and out came a bunch of children that seemingly didnt have the slightest god damn idea about reality and thought that everyone is subservient to their emotions and whims.

But you could write an entire book on all the events of the left in the last 10-15 years. Including nonsense like that bs which was made into some kind of mythical creature: gamergate
Labyrias
4 days, 4 hrs ago
And just to clarify: Im saying all of this while not really disagreeing with you.
Obviously there are problems in america. Obviously there are outliers, victims and ppl in need.
Obviously those should be helped.

Back in the day there was no question about this.
Not even a debate.
Obviously the majority of society should look out for the minority.
And everyone agreed.
I know because i basically grew up on the internet. For the longest of time the net was one of the only escapes in this country.

The question everyone should be asking is "what happened". Because MAGA and the rest of the right didnt just step out of nonexistence for no particular rhyme or reason.
stickyfox
4 days, 4 hrs ago
Do you know much about Trump's career? I can give you a recap. (I grew up in NJ and many of my family worked at a casino at least once.)

In the 70s and 80s, his dad was a slum lord. Donald made his break into real estate investing when he purchased the Commodore Hotel and renovate it. He took all the credit for the work and never mentioned the architect that designed it.

He scammed a concrete contracting company into rebuilding the Central Park ice rink for free; promising them credit and the love of New Yorkers for fixing the out-of-order rink that was still broken after other contractors failed to repair it. At the grand opening he didn't mention a single worker or the name of the company. It was televised, and you can see the betrayal on the face of the contractors that showed up.

He did this over and over with his casinos and other businesses. He also has had a fascination with the USSR and Russia since the 80s. He was hanging out with Roy Cohn and Roger Stone before anyone here knew who those people were. That's when I became politically/socially aware, in my teenage years. But the mob and Russia connections I didn't understand til much later in life as I started reading books about the guy. Everything tracks with what I heard from my family and friends who worked for Trump or another casino.

Trump paid for a full page newspaper ad calling for the execution of five Black kids who were later exonerated by evidence.

He's a legendary con man and scumbag, and pretty well disliked by most working people, Hispanic/Latin people, and Black people on the East Coast. He's bankrupted every business he's touched. It astounds me that anyone has confidence in him.. but his political arc begain in a TV interview in like, 1990.

Americans are not so outraged at liberal policies as the news makes it out. Most of us want universal healthcare. Most of us want immigration. Most of us want trans rights, gender affirming care, womens' rights to healthcare even if it involves a fetus, we want days off and we want more autonomy as consumers. There are just a few loud racists with money who make it sound like there are catpans in school classrooms and men playing on the women's Olympic team.

I'm saying all this because his popularity doesn't click with reality. People are not so outraged at abortion that they want this asshole in the white house.

It is theorized that mass voter purges took place that would have made Harris the winner. According to election records, one woman had objections to over 30,000 voters in her state. I just hope it's not on the news because it's in a courtroom right now.
Labyrias
4 days, 3 hrs ago
If you are the beneficiary of his slumlord behavior, whats the problem?
If Trump's personality benefits your country, and potentially the rest of the planet as well by forcing peace on everyone...
Like...

Do we really want to contrast Trump to America's past track record?
Like George Bush who is basically the largest mass murderer and war criminal past the year 2000 and is still happily jacking off in one of his 8 villas like nothing ever happened?
I think americans have serious cognitive dissonance. Or maybe it just seems like it because im looking in from the outside, but you can google now the top 10 worst american presidents and you will find plenty of lists which mention Trump, but none which mention Bush who attacked a country over the deeds of a handful of terrorists, then made some sh*t up about WMDs and occupied another country, killing over a million in the process just to find nothing.

Then during all of this, dragged off the ppl who were defending their nation to blacksites to expose them to medieval torture because nothing spells american values like kidnapping the population of a country they had no right to invade in the first place, to then waterboard, beat and sleep deprive them
Those photos about american soldiers posing with naked captives are still up on the net. So is the collateral murder video.

I mean i donno what to tell you.
Trump will be out of your hair in 4 years at least.
The rest of the planet had the disservice of having to deal with way worse american presidents than him.
Scumbags which according to your american media, are not even making the top 10 worst presidents list.
stickyfox
4 days, 2 hrs ago
" If you are the beneficiary of his slumlord behavior, whats the problem?
If Trump's personality benefits your country, and potentially the rest of the planet as well by forcing peace on everyone...


He's caused vast harm to this country. A few wealthy people have benefited from his scams but nothing he's done has helped the nation. Our international relations are shot.

Hitler gave us the interstate highways but it wasn't worth it. Someone would have figured it out.

" Like George Bush who is basically the largest mass murderer and war criminal past the year 2000 and is still happily jacking off in one of his 8 villas like nothing ever happened?


Some Americans describe our two parties as the offensive and defensive lines of the same organization.

The Bush family are insanely wealthy too.

I feel like the point is being lost that billionaires, not republicans, are the reason for our current problems. The GOP are just better at reaching their objectives because they have all the dumb hicks.

Hitler was elected chancellor before he became Fuhrer right? Or appointed by constitutional process?

Did you know that Trump released a fake Time Magazine cover depicting him in a crown thru the WH social media channel? There were also banners at CPAC depicting Caesar and announcing a third term.

We're not going to be rid of him until someone stands up for the law and puts handcuffs on him.
Labyrias
4 days, 1 hr ago
Well, i can whole heartedly agree to that remark about billionaires.
Somehow the system was never meant to be controlled by the opinions of single people who can just shit on everything and buy half the planet via NGOs or direct lobbying.
Its such a lovely, backdoor into our supposedly oh so holy democracy.

In regards of Trump however: Do you seriously think he is going to find a way to stay longer than 2 terms?
I dont think anyone would allow that.
stickyfox
4 days, 1 hr ago
I wouldn't think it would be allowed either, but there exists a very specific "long game" that could conceivably end with him abolishing term limits and elections, yeah. And it's not appropriate for the party to be pushing a "third term" at CPAC. It's understood that that doesn't happen. But ...

Our republican politicians are idiots. Their primary goal is always to undo whatever the democrats did last term. Their idiot voters want that. You can tell that they're idiots, and even a Harvard anthropology professor could agree with an Alabama Klan wizard that everything that comes out of Marjorie Green's or Virginia Foxx's or Lauren Boebert's mouth is sheer idiocy. We would normally have checks and balances but most of our leaders are apparently at max output just balancing themselves on their feet. If the party leader tells them to ban sweet relish tomorrow they will swear to God on camera that sweet relish killed their grandma. More than one of these people fibbed about relatives and friends dying in 9/11.

If it is at all possible (and it sure looks possible!) that someone is controlling the GOP for personal or international power, then IMO every American should be locking arms around that pitfall and preventing anyone from going over. When I see someone trying to climb the fence for whatever reason I'm going to try to stop them. That has nothing to do with free speech.



stickyfox
4 days, 2 hrs ago
BTW I know what photos you are talking about.

I was a drill sergeant in the Army, and I used them to educate soldiers on the laws of war, the UCMJ, and their obligation to know the difference between lawful and unlawful orders. It could be that we were always this bad and it's only come out since the late 90s because of smart phones.

We have people in this country trying to push the thermostat back in that direction. Trump is one of them. He wants to invade Gaza, Canada, Panama, and Greenland. I don't want to seem insensitive to other crimes this nation is responsible for but I do hope you understand that I as an American soldier do not list them among our triumphs.

This is just another facet of how disappointing this country has become to me.

Some of us are human beings with a moral standard beyond what Fox News follows.
Labyrias
4 days, 3 hrs ago
I replied the the wrong place... again...
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