Ai kinda ruining the site.. by RaccoonDouglas < Journal

1 month, 1 week ago

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I agree, but I am really against how the AI is trained using stolen art, and I am happy that I can just block that stuff here

smoked

1 month, 1 week ago

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You are certainly not alone with this sentiment...

CowboyBboy

1 month, 1 week ago

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Agreed.
I like the way e6 handled it, by just making an ai version of the site.
Wonder if that could work for here.

Yavh

1 month, 1 week ago

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Ngl i feel this so much.. AI has gotten crazy good but it sucks when it takes over what was meant for actual artists. I don't think it should be banned but making another site like what e621 did might help

Demesejha

1 month, 1 week ago

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This is the 8th journal ive seen this month alone on the topic. My opinions are clear and it shouldnt be on this site.

Custos

1 month, 1 week ago

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At the very least it shouldn't be on the featured/popular art pages.

Healyheart

1 month, 1 week ago

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It's the main reason I never check the Home or Popular pages anymore, just checking the artists I follow and the search feature.

Ninetails2000

1 month, 1 week ago

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Given I'm still here mostly to follow artists who work out of here, I am feeling this so bad. Both here and DA just immediately drowned when they condoled AI generated content and the users who make that crap rarely if ever tag their work correctly, which means you will never be able to completely block it out.

hellopanda

1 month, 1 week ago

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This website will never be a community again. Between the proliferation of AI slop devaluing the efforts of actual creators and the moderators basically being AWOL, this site is toast.

Gelemar

1 month, 1 week ago

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I used to just let it go and try to ignore it, but it's gotten to a point where even I've blocked ilas many tags for it as I can't think of so I don't have to see it

PapaDragon69

1 month, 1 week ago

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This is why I try to blacklist anything AI-generated or heavily AI-assisted.

Yupa

1 month, 1 week ago

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I wish there was a tag to divide AI and art.

threeracoons

1 month, 1 week ago

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Edited 1 month, 1 week ago by Owner

Anytime someone writes this exact journal, I like to go to the front page "Most Viewed". For me, this page shows 60 pictures per page, for four pages.

I like to count the amount of AI submissions on that page. Today it was 8. Out of 60. I went to the 2nd page, and I got 5. And the next page I got 12. Not so much 80%, huh...

The doom and gloom journals about this have been wrong every time. No, you are not being replaced. Yes, this site is still a community. Yes, it's all still porn, try climbing down from the horse.

And talking about community: I started participating only 1 year and half ago as a writer, and since then I've made several friends, AI directors, other writers, and real artists alike. We talk every day, we share advice, I pay for commissions and I help others with their art.

Sure as shit feels like a community to me! Maybe not the community YOU specifically wanted. But a lot of people other than you are thriving, including newcomers that do not use AI.

NightWolf714

1 month, 1 week ago

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@ threeracoons

Curious, but are you counting recent submission pages or popular?

threeracoons

1 month, 1 week ago

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Edited 1 month, 1 week ago by Owner

@ NightWolf714

Recent submissions has always been a swamp, before AI and after AI even more. I'm talking about "Most Viewed" otherwise known as "Popular".

NightWolf714

1 month, 1 week ago

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@ threeracoons

Just realized, was about to edit. I did a check because that didn't sound right.

And didn't even get halfway through before I found more than you are claiming there are. Though admittedly, some took a bit more hunting to confirm that they were AI artists. And none of the ones I saw were actually following the rules for AI uploads on here. So it's definitely a problem.

It's one thing to AI to be allowed. We can go in circles debating that. But the blatant disregard of the rules definitely needs to be questioned by this subcommunity.

threeracoons

1 month, 1 week ago

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Edited 1 month, 1 week ago by Owner

@ NightWolf714

It's a randomized page, so it could vary a lot. But in a nutshell I don't agree with the concept that it's "only AI" or "mostly AI".

Random AI spam doesn't get upvoted or viewed enough to get on Popular, while real art is very much still at a definitive advantage to get there, even low quality / beginner stuff. People can blacklist AI extremely easily, and a lot of them do. I've tried the site when blacklisting AI, and the "Popular" section doesn't look like it has any AI at all, nor does it look like it's missing content. Hundreds of artists, superstars and newcomers alike, still very much at an advantage competing over the spotlight.

Yes, there's some people breaking the rules, either maliciously or out of ignorance, but you can't spend 5 minutes without the AI_generated tag on this site without someone angrily pointing it out in the comments, which at least corrects the ignorant ones. That leaves the malicious ones who currently exist because the moderation team on this site has not grown with its userbase and is struggling immensely. To me it's an annoying issue and I wish they recruited more mods (I know there are some excellent volunteers out there already) but acting like the site is dead because of it is an absolute over exaggeration.

NightWolf714

1 month, 1 week ago

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@ threeracoons

To be fair, I never said only or mainly. But that your numbers were definitely very low balled.

Blacklisting AI only works if it's tagged appropriately. And even that isn't done in many cases. Which is the problem I have. If AI art was at least in most cases following the rules, I'd be more okay with it's presence here. That was the compromise, after all.

I never said the site was dead. And while I agree that more moderation is important, it's up to users to know the rules. So I blame them for not following it. And can't help but feel that maybe it would be best for it to be removed if the majority (at least in my experience) doesn't follow the rules. Which is more than just tagging, by the way.

NightWolf714

1 month, 1 week ago

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It's definitely frustrating. And so many times, they aren't even following the rules for AI art. It's lucky to even be tagged in some cases. :/

Danzabowo

1 month, 1 week ago

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@ NightWolf714

I'll be honest, this part frustrates me as an AI director myself. When they don't show the workflow/prompt, when they don't tag it as 'ai'/'ai generated', or blatantly ignore the rule on not using artist styles. I promise we're not all like them. D:

NightWolf714

1 month, 1 week ago

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@ Danzabowo

I know that there are those who aren't like that. And I appreciate it. But from my personal experience, it's been the majority that I see. And I recognize that my experience may not reflect the site at large. I would think that AI artists would be quick to jump in to help police their community as the rules were the compromise to allow it in the first place. And I can see it being removed if too many are not following the rules. :C

davidjohnson

1 month, 1 week ago

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One thing that I noticed is that AI arts aren't appearing at the Popular section as frequent as it was before, which is good.

to me it seems either they are not being that popular as before, or these "artists" are being way less frequent to post something. I think it might be the latter because I remember an account that was appearing at the Popular section posting a lot of macro cub pictures such as Simba and Koda, but thennow when I tried to search for them, they desappeared, probably deleted their entire gallery and account.

NightWolf714

1 month, 1 week ago

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@ davidjohnson

I dunno. I've seen a lot of stealth AI art that just wasn't tagged or labelled as AI. It's not stated that it's AI unless directly asked about it, or they are quiet on one site but more open about it on other sites that are more welcoming of such content. :/

KimaSaiyan

1 month, 1 week ago

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I blocked the tags on day 1 and never looked back

UnbalancedFlip

1 month, 1 week ago

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Yeah, I just block the AI accounts. Not worth more time than that.

Yopo

1 month, 1 week ago

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There are also accounts that are using AI and then drawing over the results to mask it somewhat - a technical loophole. If you know what to look for it's still obvious, though.

NightWolf714

1 month, 1 week ago

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@ Yopo

Hmmm ... I'm not sure if I'm necessarily against AI in that content since that seems pretty well removed from any one piece.

Farrel

1 month, 1 week ago

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I think the argument for me comes down to asking myself "Is AI art still a legitimate form of expression?"... If yes, then it does kinda belong on the site, if no, then perhaps not.

For me? The answer is yes, folks have ideas and use tools to render those ideas as images. The tools used aren't quite so relevant in my mind. IB already places more restrictions on AI renders than they are legally required to do, requiring generation information, and not allowing explicit use of tags that would generate 'in the style of [name]'. Largely this leads to a lot of AI generation being posted here to have quite a generic style to them. As I understand it, legally, AI works are not copyrightable, but are otherwise legal.

Since IB always has felt like it had a principle of "if it's legal to post and furry related, it's welcome here." it's seemed to me that AI should be allowed if the person posting it feels like it's a genuine expression of something for them.

However, I accept that mine isn't the only viewpoint.

For what it's worth, yes, I see a lot of obvious AI posted, and some less obvious stuff. Some is really quite nice, and I appreciate it. Other stuff just feels generic and lacking, but some organic artists feel (to me) like they phone it in sometimes as well.

When it comes down to it, Inkbunny has always been a site that's tried to be as inclusive as it can get away with as far as subject matter goes. Generally, the stuff it doesn't permit is disallowed on the basis that allowing it would make the site liable in certain places in the world. In the interests of free expression as far as reasonably practicable, I'd argue it's the best furry site overall... And yeah, as I personally view AI generation as an avenue for expression? In my mind it belongs on the site.

I think the best option that I've seen is for AI art to be tagged as an art category, similar to adult art. If you wish to view that category, you'd be able to view or hide it at your whim. Sure, it'd rely on the poster to correctly tag that something falls into the AI category, but I think it'd be a reasonably fair for all solution.

Inusan

1 month, 1 week ago

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I will admit, I'm getting tired of the words 'AI' and 'slop' always appearing next to each other.

As if, all AI work is obviously of low quality and not of any merit.

I know that I spend alot of time working on individual images to make them as high quality as possible. This includes a bunch of work on prompts, and in-painting.  It also includes alot of time doing hand retouches and modifications.

I will admit that there are AI Directors that don't produce quality work.  But to be brutally honest, that are alot of traditional and pre-AI Digital media artists that produce very low grade work. They either don't have the patience or the willingness to work on a piece long enough to produce high quality works.

Just to be clear beginners (in any artform), start by producing art at lower quality. This is expected, everyone starts at the beginning. (God knows I did, for every style and media I worked with)   I'm glad to see them working on the craft.  I would also expect them to progress in their skills, and like a lot of us, will eventually want to either rework or disavow some of their early work, as their skills increase.

katoga

1 month, 1 week ago

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I agree totally.
If at last our furry sites have some kind of SEPERATE place for AI works i dont mind.
I know they look good and all but too much definitely too much.
I myself created some AI works but i post them on AI site where is THEIR place.

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