The Audacity by DEVO87 < Journal | Inkbunny, the Furry Art Community

fibs

3 weeks ago

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another thing AI art thieves do is swipe a WIP sketch from a livestream, have an AI "finish" it before the livestream is over, then accuse the artist of being the one who stole it

MillaBirch

3 weeks ago

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I never really cared about the whole AI art debate, HOWEVER people putting it on patreon is absurd.

Nudepikachuforlife

2 weeks, 6 days ago

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@ MillaBirch

this!!!!

I am fine with ai art its nothing to get upset over. However, the moment you MONETIZE said ai art is when the gloves come off and you can get bent.

Wakka

2 weeks, 5 days ago

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@ MillaBirch

Lot of the time its like they throw something at the wall and see what sticks and call it good. You see small things in a pic that gives it away and or that there just being lazy with it........like cardboard copys. Blah

Blackraven2

3 weeks ago

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One issue with AI is, it makes scammers work really easy. Whether they scam you by faking a relatives voice in a phone call to fish for money, or they fake someones art to sell it as "real"... scam is scam and fraud is fraud.

I don't know to what degree AI is to blame for this. Scammers always existed, and that profession has always been on the forefront on using new technology for ripping people off, no matter what technology that is. That goes for any technology, not just AI, but with every new thing there's a brief window of time where scumbags like that think they can get away with it, until both law enforcement and their potential victims have caught up.

Best course forward is to go after their platforms. Complaints to both police and Patreon/VISA/<insert payment provider here> should put some sand into their gears - and most importantly, eat into their profits.

missilver

2 weeks, 6 days ago

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@ Blackraven2

Honestly Ai barely has to do anything with it, the "relatives in trouble" scam was rampant in my country since 2010. They call you up from a shitty phone, pretend the line is bad then proceed to tell you they are in trouble and need some quick money then proceed with luring the victim onto some fake site to steal money from them.
Infact for most scammers AI only exists in two forms, its either too expensive or work necesseary to be worth it or they are slop makers that previously used to steal artwork from people to print it on cheap, shitty items like mugs or pillow cases.
Infact its quite controversial but i think AI decreased actual art theft because you no longer have 30 people mascerading as a famous artist selling whatever they stole from their pages and no one ever looks at the work of an AI and identify whose work its based on so regular artist get more recognition for their work.

Blackraven2

2 weeks, 6 days ago

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Edited 2 weeks, 6 days ago by Owner

@ missilver

for the "gramma scam" i agree - those scammers aren't sophisticated enough to use current day AI to improve significantly - yet... where this has been used increasingly are so called "CEO scams" - aka going after high profile corporate targets and try to get them (aka mid level managment or secretaries) to transfer upwards from 100k to millions pretending their boss asked them to.

usually they are well planned, so the scammers do actual research to know who to target and also the timing and some knowledge about internals of the target company. for example make a call from a foreign number when the "boss" is actually on a trip abroad and such...

Furhammer

3 weeks ago

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It is one thing to post ai pictures clearly marked but no one has any business profiting off of it, Ib and da have a major issue actually letting it be present, but da doesn’t even enforce or require it to be marked as ai

PilloTheStar

3 weeks ago

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I blame the tasteless idiots who actually pay for that trash honestly.

GarretMvahd

3 weeks ago

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The main reason I think is because there are people who want to create but can't because of artists. I personally am in this camp unfortunately and it's generally why I support AI art. Not saying I support directly copying the style of someone else, if it's distinct enough, like your own for example, I do like your art, but I mean... My bank account currently is -435 dollars, I have been trying for several years now to get a game made, any game, and I have had several attempts and spent thousands of dollars on trying to get them started. I am primarily a writer and ideas guy, not an artist, so my games need art, like my Lilo and stitch babysitting cream style game that I wanted to make. But I am being held back from seeing any of these projects I have put so much time and money into being finished because I can't get the art I need for them, not without spending money I don't have because no artist would ever join any of my projects for free. And then whenever I do use AI to either enhance my stories or move my game projects along, I get artists and others coming out and accusing me of being a thief or telling me the artist version of, "Just learn to code bro." Like I had one of my best friends, who is an artist, do recently.

That really hurt, having my best friend basically call my writing skill worthless and of no value to my ideas or my projects and tell me to learn to draw instead. I just want to create, and I do want to make some of my projects a reality, but I can't reasonably do that while relying on artists who have been bleeding me dry and not contributing at all to my projects. I have even had comic ideas that I have wanted to do, where I wrote the story, dialogue, outlined each scene, and then opened a credit card and paid an art friend 3k in advance to draw the whole thing and only got a few sketches and one line art, out of 36 or so pages. I want to work with artists, especially some I love, but if they are going to bleed me dry for my projects and contribute little, then why would I bother using them?

DEVO87

3 weeks ago

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@ GarretMvahd

It seems you've had a couple of bad experiences with some artists. I understand, it can happen. They obviously weren't professional to begin with. But where I disagree with you is your main point, and I'm not trying to be rude in the slightest, but artists are not holding you back from your aforementioned projects. Your money situation is. Not being able to pay someone for their work is not the fault of the artist. They deserve to be fairly compensated for the job being done. Especially if it is their main source of income. And well, they get to set the price for their work of course. If you can't afford to meet money requirements then you need to look elsewhere. If I can't afford a new graphics card for my computer do I choose to just steal one instead?
I'm not going to tell you that drawing is easy and you should "get good." I'm not going to say "stop being broke." I'll just say that for artists, their art can mean many things. It can be a source of income, a hobby, an obsession, or hell, an identity. Taking a piece of that hard work and committing essentially forgery can be damaging. Sure it can lead to loss of income, but it can also lead to a loss creative passion or drive to create future arts. Having something taken from you doesn't feel good. Especially if the one who did it turned around and started selling essentially your identity for their profit.
I'll encourage you to never lose your drive for your own creative passions, but it shouldn't come at the cost of others'.

GarretMvahd

3 weeks ago

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@ DEVO87

I do agree, but at the same time, you should know that it hasn't been just a couple of artists. In the past eight years, I have attempted to hire or recruit over a dozen artists and spent over ten grand across all of them and every time it has ended the same, the artist never delivers, they either disappear, get sidelined by other projects, or just simply milk me. And I am talking about artists that I hired by contract, paying hundreds a week to do nothing but draw and work on my projects like a day job, throwing all of my overtime, my tax returns, and my living money at them to get these projects moving forward. I do genuinely want to work with artists, there are many whose art I adore and like but like, when I get price gauged and get next to nothing out of it by a bunch of artists, it does leave me feeling very jaded. And besides, don't many artists copy existing styles when they start out? They do develop their own style eventually, but that is where most of them start. Even when AI does art generically or copies something like saying, Disney's style, most people still accuse the AI generator of stealing but I think the main thing is that an AI can do in minutes what artist took years to learn, so it's not the art that bothers them, it's the potential for lost business or lost recognition.

whitepawrolls

3 weeks ago

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This is why I block ALL AI art for example is it just steals other artists work. I MIGHT look if the creator can prove they trained the AI art engine on only their art, or art they had permission for, but so far not a single one has.

slimshod

3 weeks ago

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I 100% agree. It's ridiculous. I'm not against ai imagery as a whole (you're free to create whatever) but apeing someone else's style or hawking a patreon for it is absurd.

NekoStar

3 weeks ago

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Hear hear. AI-generated slop will always be slop, and those that use it are disrespectful and will never be artists.
People paying for it are just as useless.

DEVO87

2 weeks, 6 days ago

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@ NekoStar

Artists are evil. They only care about money. They only want to gatekeep art.They're entitled. They won't draw my OC for free. They deserve to be ripped off.

NekoStar

2 weeks, 6 days ago

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@ DEVO87

Absolutely!

It's so weird though, I tried to pay my rent and pay for groceries in "exposure," but they didn't accept it. D:

FumblingFoxpaws

2 weeks, 6 days ago

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@ NekoStar

They didn't want you to get arrested for public indecensy, that's all. >.<

NekoStar

2 weeks, 5 days ago

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@ FumblingFoxpaws

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Smolfoks

2 weeks, 6 days ago

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artists aren't hated, some people just have no morals or taste when it comes to artwork and will happily eat the lowest hanging fruit, even if its covered in shit.

WAtheAnum

2 weeks, 6 days ago

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no offense there, i dont like the AI thing as well (keeping it THAT short)...

but if someone whos using basically only and ONLY copyrighted and trademark charaters for their own business and paywall doesnt make it look any better.

https://www.furaffinity.net/view/50244038/

Look, i respect artists which say similar IF they do their own thing, creating original content, comics or like - not if someone comes by, complains about AI artists "ripping people off" wile in the core, they basically do the same just without the AI part.

Because think of it, and there is literally no excuse for that:
Saying that "scumbags out there trying to make a quick buck off of the backs of hard working artists" can literally be said and used in the same way to people which literally milk the living hell out of characters like krystal, Renamon and others which are NOT their own - so no offense there.

Granted, the only differ is maybe the said AI "artists" are not doing a thing because they dont "do" their own "art" but the fact that such people complain about "stealing", "ripping off others" and similar...sounds like a double edged sword to me.

DEVO87

2 weeks, 6 days ago

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@ WAtheAnum

You certainly do have an argument to be made about artists making a profit off of copyrighted material that is not their own. God knows I've seen my fair share of content featuring Loona slapped with an ad for Patreon. So I can't really argue your point on that. But what I'm mostly complaining about here, and yes I'll be honest I am just complaining and nothing more, is that when these AI bros steal art and then make their own patreon to make money off of it, at it's core they are using someone else's particular style to sell their slop. Yes they're still copyrighted characters, but they are using the likeness of another artist to do it. It's essentially identity theft. I've literally seen AI pics using Meesh's style with a patreon link. That person is making money off of Meesh's identity. An artist has to dedicate years of their life to craft their skills. An AI bro dedicates ten minutes feeding that craft into a machine and claiming the results as their own. It's plagiarism. That's my complaint.

WAtheAnum

2 weeks, 6 days ago

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@ DEVO87

again i got that and thats also a legit point, it just feels off if someone who already does use others people copyrighted or similar content (basically which is not their creation) and than complains about their stuff gets stolen, you know.

again, if someoen whos creating their own stuff, like EWS, Bernal or someone like those WOULD complain about it, it makes more sense and feels more "legit" than someone whos using renamon, loona, krystal and co nonestop to earn "a quick buck".

thats what im saying.
Im sure not for AI art, sure not - even less if they use it to make money, but both people, said people which milk other peoples creations AND AI art users, are basically sitting in the same boat there - both are using something without permission (MOST likely), both are stealing something to earn money for their business.

I think that clears it more up. Again, i see your point but still.

Violet52

2 weeks, 6 days ago

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Slop bros can go to hell.

There's nothing ethical about any use of current AI, it's all based on theft, and even if you're not trying to profit off someone else's work, you're still fucking up the environment just to generate shitty, soulless porn.

R3DRUNNER

2 weeks, 6 days ago

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why i'm not on here anymore lol.

wollypegger

2 weeks, 6 days ago

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And now for some giggles: There is so much AI art out there now that it is feeding itself with its own creation, it is inbreeding.

Wakka

2 weeks, 5 days ago

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@ wollypegger

Heh truth there. AI can make art but like you said its like inbreeding. There's 99.5% of the time something off with said AI pic that puts a smudge on it.

Wakka

2 weeks, 5 days ago

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I 110% support actual artist love, care and skills. AI can do a lot but its the passion that real artist put into there work for not just them selfs but also there clients that i enjoy the most.

Nothing beats that rush of excitement you get from a commissioned artwork.

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