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RathMutatio

Moving Forward

Let's start simply.

Recently I learned my work had been used for feed AI learning LoRas. This, to me, is a huge breach in my trust. I've had no problem with AI when used to make landscapes, interesting poses as reference, or even by the artist themselves to emulate their own work. But stealing is crossing the line, as I hope you will most agree.

Now, there is something I need people to understand when it comes to my work.
I am not a hobbyist. This is not something I do for fun. This is my one and only job.
Which means that if I can't make a living off my work, I cannot survive. In spite of this I have always made my work available freely, either be commissions, personal studies, or sketches I do for free on request. I wanted to believe I could get by like this, as mutual trust between viewers and creator.

But it is clear this is unrealistic.

Moving forward I will be holding my work closer to my chest, adapting more traditional tactics such as how professional artist do. An inconvenience for everyone involved, even myself.
But if I'm to survive, I think this is one way forward. There's likely less extreme ways to go about it, but I'll start here and see how it goes.

As always, please consider supporting me. You literally keep me alive.
Thank you. ♥
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Added: 1 month, 1 week ago
 
Nopast
1 month, 1 week ago
scummy ai users
TheSlimeDragon
1 month, 1 week ago
There is a tool named "nightshade", basically it "poison" your arts so it breaks AI models when they use your art as database but id doesn't mess with your art.
This way you can still keep sharing your art around and not let them feed the models with your art
RathMutatio
1 month, 1 week ago
I'm aware of them.
All new. All a lot of work. Will be a long while before any are considered.
TheSlimeDragon
1 month, 1 week ago
Yeah. I just got worried you would gave up you art is amazing and I look up to so I can do better on mine. I too got hit with some issues, not with AI, but stuff that made me upset and almost made me quit
Zagroseckt
1 month, 1 week ago
wont work with lora training.
TheSlimeDragon
1 month, 1 week ago
really? I didn't knew that big oof
nekkofox
1 month, 1 week ago
I'm so sorry to hear that, and this is why I hate generative AI. I've heard their are things like Glaze and Nightshade you can use that protects your work by poisoning and corrupting learning models that are fed your work.
RathMutatio
1 month, 1 week ago
I'm aware of them.
All new. All a lot of work. Will be a long while before any are considered.
nekkofox
1 month, 1 week ago
Yeah, this is a load of extra crap you don't need. I'm rooting for you, and I'm sorry you're having to deal with this at all.
RathMutatio
1 month, 1 week ago
Was bound to happen.
YunLang
1 month, 1 week ago
I don't know much about AI but I remember hearing about some programs that add a layer or something that is invisible tom the human eye but messes with the AI's ability to read it.
RathMutatio
1 month, 1 week ago
I'm aware of them.
All new. All a lot of work. Will be a long while before any are considered.
Zagroseckt
1 month, 1 week ago
dosnt work for lora training.

Only works if fed raw into the datastream.

Before the modle is given the image it's resized sharpened to a silly degree ditherd split into individual colors chroma and whatnot so the modle can examin the style.


Remember AI's dont just glom together images anymore like dalee did.

There working within style envelopes prodictive inferince and a F-ton of nurel network junk.
if the modles stored bits and pices of real images in them they would be a hell of a lot bigger.

it's more like the idea of a fire hydrent and instructions of how it should possibly look. rather than lets make a fire hydrent by splicing togerther parts of fire hydrents.

LORA training is a bit of a mix between full base modle training and style transfers during traning depinding on how much you give the modle it can eather lern the concept OR if it's a Low input lora then you crank the hell out of keeping as much of the orginal as you can .. basickly jamming enforcement links to similer concepts or forcing the midle over memorise the input effectivly making it like your doing an image 2 image .. wich by that point you would do better doing an image to image.
Fetterfetti
1 month, 1 week ago
I am sad this happened to you. Thank you for letting us know....

Your measures make completly sense.... You are a big woundurfull rat you dont deserve this ... but honestly ... who does.
Hope this whole thing dosent drag you down for long...
RathMutatio
1 month, 1 week ago
I'm more motivated than ever!
Thanks, boo.
LilJames
1 month, 1 week ago
Fuck AI art thieves, that truly sucks and I'm sorry to hear you got hit by that.  It's completely understandable if you want to tighten control on your work in that case and if anyone whines about it, they can blame the AI scammers for causing it.
RathMutatio
1 month, 1 week ago
There there. *pets*
Badipoki
1 month, 1 week ago
Sorry this happened. I hope in the near future everyone will universally start blocking people posting AI art online, or using artist's feed-ins for self-commissioning.
RathMutatio
1 month, 1 week ago
Unlikely. Free is free. It'd be silly to give up such a sweet deal as a five-finger discount.
All we can do as creators is make content easily accessible in other ways.
xephion
1 month, 1 week ago
i do hope this works but im afraid this will hurt more in the long run, since you have kill your online presence. but i do pray it works and try to keep tabs on your sales especially after a month of doing this because maybe at first it works but things drastically change with time keep checking constantly about this.

another thing you could check is if you can report or ask loras to take down that work.

ill keep supporting you love your work
RathMutatio
1 month, 1 week ago
Will have to see. I have plenty of regulars, and I will still be posting ads and comics to have an online presence.

I've already reported the LoRas and even let other artists affected by the thief in hopes they will report them as well. With mixed results. Done all I could.

Thanks for the support.
beforethefall
1 month, 1 week ago
I completely understand the frustration here, ugh. At least you can know that the sort of people generating AI art aren't the sort of people that would wind up actually supporting you in the first place. And AI can't really compare to an actual artist for a ton of reasons still. But, yeah. Scummy that peoples' work is being stolen to spew AIslop out.

Side note, but I really wish Inkbunny would finally segregate AI slop from actual content...throwing AI-generated garbage right alongside real artists' work is kind of insulting. :/ Tons of people I know don't use this site specifically because it's so flooded with bad/boring/samey AI.

Side note 2: you could also consider poisoning your art with a tool like Nightshade, which is an effective method against AI training using your work.
sangaire
1 month, 1 week ago
I will admit even though I use AI for my own characters, I personally HATE trainers that take art from users and make that specific LORA to copy that artists style.  I have nothing against coverall training for keywords, but for a specific style nah that is just rude and fucking with a certain artists job.  I am sorry you have had to deal with this.

A couple easy ways to deal with this are scattering layers in your art.  Think like tiny dots of altering colors and make them like a 5% opacity.  There is also the idea of making a watermark that you put over the whole piece that would mess with the AI copying your style, once more around the 5% opacity.

I saw you had reported it but sadly once they are out there there is nothing to stop others frm sharing the loras. Plus there is nothing technically illegal.  And biggest 'plus' half these MFers who do this are overseas.
SenGrisane
1 month, 1 week ago
Dang. That sucks. We will be patient and be there when you upload again ^^
RathMutatio
1 month, 1 week ago
I'll only be uploading comics and ads.
SenGrisane
1 month, 1 week ago
I'll keep being a fan regardless <3
Norithics
1 month, 1 week ago
Yeah, "AI" has made pretty much everything worse. It's just an ocean of slop that's made creativity less valuable in the public mind. It sucks.
RathMutatio
1 month, 1 week ago
Norithics
1 month, 1 week ago
Hahaha!
Though, I have discovered that feeding my body of work into a model deteriorates it badly– something that delights me on a deep level.
QueenKami
1 month, 1 week ago
This fuckin sucks and hate these AI assholes. I've also looked at it as "oh, neat pose" or "ah, yes, good BG inspiration" but even then it's like meh.
I'm sorry that it has to go this way-I've on multiple occasions almost just quit because it's overwhelming to see an account that's maybe 5 months old have as many followers as me, having been here like 12 years?! I know comparing oneself is bad but it's hard not to, especially when it's something that takes almost no heart or work beside typing out and clicking etc. My only thing is that I love to draw so I haven't stopped and keep pushing myself.

Regardless, I don't blame your decisions and stand behind you on them. ♥
RathMutatio
1 month, 1 week ago
Thanks, babe. Keep it up, your work is wonderful.
QueenKami
1 month, 1 week ago
You too, you too ♥ ♥
Ravi
1 month, 1 week ago
Shit, I'm really sorry that happened to you. I can see the positive merits of it but with how shitty it's been to a lot of artists and jackasses stealing their work, it's just become a mess.

I know it's been a hot minute since we talked but I'm hoping you're okay and wishing things improve for the better!
RathMutatio
1 month, 1 week ago
We'll find out.
arogard
1 month, 1 week ago
I'm always worried the music I create has been fed into some AI chipper, I can relate on not wanting your creations to be grifted.  It's stuff like this that makes me want to steer away from IB; being a safe harbor for works made by grifting engines also seems to equate to all works on the site being fair game to feed into said engines, according to the people that use them.
DruidicDonkey
1 month, 1 week ago
It's bad enough to steal art, but it's even worse to use it to train Ai. I know some other popular artists like PandaPaco have gotten their art stolen for Ai use as well. Personally, I think gen Ai should just.. cease to exist, it's too problematic to be left alone despite how useful it can be for things as you can see. It's why I left Inkbunny for a while when they allowed gen Ai on the site because it's a huge breach in trust to me but, alas, this is practically the only cub-friendly art site so I have to deal with it.
RathMutatio
1 month, 1 week ago
Every new tool is just abused without a shred of respect.
DruidicDonkey
1 month, 1 week ago
Yeah, it just really sucks how big of a negative impact it has on creatives and the environment. Ai uses 43 - 50L of water per use and that is WAY too fucking much to warrant the reckless use of it. It only makes me hate Ai "artists" even more because if you tell them why it's bad, they don't give a fuck.
douglas0828
1 month, 1 week ago
honestly I wouldn't worry about AI stealing your job but your choice I use the tool for my purposes and I get why it bothers some people but hiding your stuff will hurt you although I wouldn't recommend using a special tool to POISON your art to prevent it from being stolen as easily
RathMutatio
1 month, 1 week ago
I'm not worried about that. I'm disappointed about the lack of respect. At it does cause harm in the long run, even if minor.
My stuff will still be available, since I need to keep working. But it won't be available for everyone, as it had been before.
SpoonFox
1 month, 1 week ago
AI has a lot of uses, but it is generally misused frequently. I like the idea of playing with AI for shits and giggles, or using it for inspiration or help with poses, and so on. But when you use an artist's work without their consent, when they have already stated no, then it is a problem to me. It will ALWAYS be a problem to me when it comes to consent. And a lot of AI people will go "LOL ITS JUST ART XDD" and get insulting towards people who complain... That behavior also pisses me off. They have no respect, and just want their instant gratification. There are people who use AI to help their own handicaps, or help fix problems with their personal work, but there's a much larger group of scummy people who honestly don't give a fuck about consent... It saddens me.

I've been keeping eyes on some AI artists to see if they're stealing from friends, and reporting it to my friends. But I also see people who go berserk 'against AI' and propose awful things happen to people who even look at AI art... I hope you don't turn into one of those. I hope you can find a solution that doesn't hurt you, because you don't deserve this shit to happen to you, no one does. *offers a hug*

You are a great sword smith who has had his molds stolen by children who think they can make something superior, but they shatter on the first swing. They laugh and claim it was theirs, but your signature style is still there...
RathMutatio
1 month, 1 week ago
I appreciate all new technology when used properly. There's likely a place for AI to make things easier for people.
For now it doesn't seem like there's enough regulations to make it so. Thus, I will be removed from their line of sight till it does (if ever).
SpoonFox
1 month, 1 week ago
*hugs* I wish you the best. Do what you must, and survive, Rath.
Joeyboy
1 month, 1 week ago
How can you find out if your art is being used to train ai?
RathMutatio
1 month, 1 week ago
Friend let me know.
Daneasaur
1 month, 1 week ago
Fucking hell I HATE AI.
lupinotter
1 month, 1 week ago
same here Mi Amico and i do not like thieves especially ai.
lupinotter
1 month, 1 week ago
one big reason why im against ai thieves i hope you get your commissions and get plenty of what you need Mi Amico
zooshi
1 month, 1 week ago
fuck ai i really hate it
oshi
1 month ago
Holy moly man I know how it feels its scary and you just feel like this hollow pit open
I hope you're alright, and I know your followers gonna stick to you rather than some mutant of your ideas
I will eat whoever did it (vore bad end)
RagingSemi
1 month ago
so moving forward and this situation gets resolved hopefully how will anyone see your future or past art images?
I am optimistic and all but even someone like me who can be a high optimist Technology and AI is getting scary good every single damn day and its getting better and upgraded.
Hopefully someway things art can find a way to circumvent AI users or sights
RathMutatio
1 month ago
People that support me on KoFi will have access to all my work as I do it.
In public only sharing comics.
We'll see what happens with the rest.
Wankerwond
1 month ago
Where can I find your old galley?
RathMutatio
1 month ago
Part of my KoFi rewards, the ArtPacks.
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