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by SilentSid1992

Anon :
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But everyone has a preference in other things, there is an audience for everybody. How did you find your audience?

Me :
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I don't think I really have an audience .... the truth is, long long long ago, I used to have an audience. it was back in 2012, everyone was happy with the newest cartoons, politics was so far away from art, and everyone just wanted shippings and couples and cute sexy stuff, then, Politics exploded after 2016, in 2014 however, the internet was becoming increasingly restricted. all websites suddenly embraced severe censorship that I was struggling to understand the rules, and even today, I still can't understand them. in 2018, I reached my limit as girls on Deviantart started accusing me of harassment for trying to talk to them, it resulted in a huge campaign against me, causing me on december of 2018 to finally FINALLY get into politics for the first time in my life ... then ... YIKES ... I realized what's going on and ... well ... I didn't take it too well ... I lashed out SUPER HARD at wokeness, so much so that people thought I went insane. and finally I lost my Deviantart account in 2021, and my audience ... well ... they started hating me and accusing me of being negative and toxic ... but the most shocking thing was, even though they accuse me of being negative, THEY THEMSELVES HATED WOKE CARTOONS TOO! so ... "rules for thee, but not for me" ... my audience right now are the remains of my old days of shipping and lewds and other similar things.

so ... right now ... I'm trying to rebuild my audience ... one DM at a time ... and hopefully, I can finally get some common sense folks who can respect me and NOT accuse me of negativity for hating woke shit ... people who are not brainwashed by western brain worms who keep apologizing for offending twitter scum.

Anon :
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Yeah, and I get what you are coming from. But this gives you some views on what kind of people are real and the ones that are toxic and fake. And it fucking pathetic that most of the human population are hellbent on wanting to be right all the time and not wanting to just do the right thing. Its just the sign of the times, man. More and more people are getting brainwashed and not going out their way finding the truth for themselves! They don't want the truth because they can't take it. They would rather live in a lie that badly in order to escape responsibility. And un-beknown to them, life itself is going to change drastically, and they would want to do anything to prevent something that was already set in stone. They are the ones who are going to kill themselves. History can tell you first hand that these evil people are going or are living real miserable lives so bad, that they will off themselves just for the pain to stop.

Me :
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and don't forget the hypocrites ... they do agree with you, they see the truth just as much as you do, but for some reason, out of sheer arrogance, they just don't want to say that you're right.

for example :

me : dude, this cartoons has a black female protagonist. it's woke.
guy : what? are you racist? just because a cartoon has a black female protagonist doesn't make it woke.
me : dude, just look at her, ugly, feminist, loser male sidekick, talks like a TOS AI generator, copy every other show with a cringe twist, it's clearly woke!
guy : old cartoons had that too, and they're not woke! you're just seeing things that aren't there!
me : then why aren't you telling me the stories of each episode?
guy : oh, I don't watch the show anyway.

GOD FUCKING DAMN IT!
this guy, FOR SOME REASON, just wanna contradict me even though he himself doesn't watch the show! ... he knows it's garbage and still want to pretend like I'm wrong ... no idea why, other than he's a shit person.

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let me know what you guys think of this.

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Chrisicefallenmoon

6 months ago

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Dude is a moron it is woke depending on themese and character if they warp gender roles or features to make it the minority.

Here are valid examples of being woke would be retconing a character thats established like gender bending a marvel or dc character or changing their race.

SilentSid1992

6 months ago

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@ Chrisicefallenmoon

look at the show "Invincible Fight Girl", look at the creators, listen to the story, look at the gender roles, isn't that a woke show? and don't forget the alien writing.

Chrisicefallenmoon

6 months ago

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@ SilentSid1992

Yeah theres alot of woke pushing in that show granted if they ditched the undertones and made the girl not act like a african american saitama might actually be passable

SilentSid1992

6 months ago

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@ Chrisicefallenmoon

honestly, it's trying to copy anime, and it's REALLY bad at it. there is a reason the show can't pass as anime, it's because anime actually has quality control of the writing, while woke people just shit all over the script without ANY quality control. Japan is alot more strict with such writing.

Cyberblade

6 months ago

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Part of the problem is using the phrase "woke" at all. You're not racist or sexist according to your post (and I've followed you long enough to believe that), but you're using the term the exact same way a whole bunch of racist and sexist people do so of course you're gonna get people assuming the worst. Politically I am very left leaning and I still understand the problem you have with what you're referring to. Let me be clear, I'm not looking for any debates over political differences here, I say it just because most assume nobody on the left gets it. I just don't use that phrase since it's been coopted by so many absolutely vile people.

I tend to refer to it as "Diversity checklisting" The intent isn't to create a good show with a diverse cast, but to just create something that checks boxes so the company producing the media can get a good little "See? We're not evil." It's not true diversity, and that just leads to garbage. It's not bad because of the diversity, it's bad because it's just corporate bullshit to get some brownie points and the audience can see right through it. I want real diversity, stories about all sorts of characters male, female, black, white, Asian, inuit, whatever, just so long as those characters are believable, developed, and made from some kind of place of real passion, and I don't think you're opposed to that either. What I don't think anyone wants is something made in a corporate boardroom only to tick some boxes for the executives to act like they're decent people.

Fens

6 months ago

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@ Cyberblade

Please allow me to agree furiously. Reading Silent's journal was a strange exercise in feeling simultaneously sympathetic and not a little uncomfortable and you just explained it perfectly.

SilentSid1992

6 months ago

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@ Fens

ummm ... thanks. not sure what else to say.

SilentSid1992

6 months ago

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@ Cyberblade

I don't disagree with that. but I think we're talking about the same thing using two different phrases.

Cyberblade

6 months ago

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@ SilentSid1992

That's kinda the point I'm trying to make.  The phrasing matters.  The term "woke" when used to describe something like that has been used by so many awful people to say "This thing sucks only because of race/gender of main cast." that for many people the phrase becomes an indicator of what kind of person the individual using it is.  If you described the issue and why without using the term "woke" you'd likely run into less issues.

An example of diversity done right is Avatar the Last Airbender.  That cartoon has an incredibly diverse cast of character, but it does that because it makes sense for that world and the story and characters are better for it, not just for some corporate agenda.  If that series wasn't an 00s series and instead debuted today with zero changes, some truly awful people would be screaming it was woke only because the cast is very Asian, or because there are well written strong women (Toph and Suki, Kitara is whiny and I'll give people that lol).

The term "dog whistle" is often thrown around particularly by the left to describe words that on their own aren't offensive but are so heavily used by bigots that the intent is clear to those who share their views.  I don't like the phrase "dog whistle" either, as it has no consideration about people who might be using the phrase without thinking or knowing about those connections and just gives assholes an excuse to treat others like shit.

SilentSid1992

6 months ago

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@ Cyberblade

well, as much as we agree on these thing, I still prefer the term "woke", it's easier and faster to get the idea across. and besides, I have a more important question for you :
why can't a show NOT have diversity and still be a good show? like,
1- maybe a show about a competent straight white christian male character doing something interesting, like, traveling into a ghost world and try to locate something and then go back to his world as he question his religious believes as he's not sure if the journey was real or just a dream.
2- or maybe a different idea where he could be a racist with resentment to black people due to something in his past and then slowly reach the realization that his end goal is impossible due to the modern world he live in and reach the point where he shift his goal to something else entirely.
3- a story about a shy feminine girl in love with a stoic guy in her school as she try to overcome her shyness each day to finally get together with that stoic boy (spoiler alert, both are white.)
4- a story that has NOTHING to do with politics, it's about a girl with basic school problems, like sleeping alot when she shouldn't, have bad eating habits, struggle to study, has money problems, keep fighting with her brother, her parents can't seem to understand her. something simple like that.
considering that all these shows would not have diversity and just tells the story of white kids (we can make one or two of them asian too, if you want.) why can't those cartoon ideas be good? why would they need diversity at all to make them good?

Cyberblade

6 months ago

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@ SilentSid1992

There are plenty of single syllable racial slurs that are faster to say than the actual race and would be pretty widely understood, so I'm not ready to go on the train of "It's okay cus it's easier and faster."

But the more important question, I have no problem with any of those ideas and think there should be room for those ideas to exist too.  They can absolutely still be a good show, but every show ever made has to deal with corporate interference even the best of the best classics.  Every executive ever is going to want a little diversity of some kind just to expand an audience.  So your story about a straight white christian male they're probably gonna force ya to give him some different race friend just because that's how it's done.  It's a trope so old that parodies of it are now considered the definition of it like Carl on the Simpsons or Cleveland on Family Guy.

A show about a racist coming to terms with the fact he's wrong is both a great idea for a story and a horrible idea as far as the network is concerned.  It makes for a compelling story, but executives are very hesitant to touch on such issues outside of maybe one or two episodes in a series, let alone make an entire story about it.  Controversy can get attention, but it can also draw too much of the wrong attention.  There's a lot of risk that some people will still walk out of it with the absolutely wrong impression because people as a whole are just dumb.  A huge point of Rick and Morty is that Rick is like the worst kind of person in the multiverse to idolize yet the amount of people who want to be like him is just ridiculous.  You may have an anti racist message in the story, it won't stop some people from interpreting it the other way and if you make that a long term plot point you run a risk of people not sticking around long enough to get that point, so the people who do watch it are the ones sympathetic with how he is at the beginning and feel betrayed when the change happens.

Overall none of your ideas there are bad ideas and could become great shows even without the diversity, but that shouldn't mean any one of those takes priority over a story with diversity (nor vice-versa).  The problem in the end is the one as old as time and that's executive interference.  They're gonna do what they think will get the widest net and make the most money.  Media companies are slow to change because things are lined up and created over the course of years.  A while ago the biggest thing they were told over and over again was to make things more diverse, and so they over-corrected like always and now the audiences have been quite obviously able to see the pandering.  It's telling that Marvels biggest successes in the last year have been X-Men 97, a good story created with passion that just happens to be diverse, and Deadpool a movie that is primarily focused on two white guys that panders more to nostalgia than diversity.  People can spot when something has been made with some amount of heart and soul put into it whether it's diverse or not and that's what matters, but it's not necessarily what corporate is going to greenlight very frequently because it's usually a lot riskier and it's easier to chase whatever buzzwords are popular.

SilentSid1992

6 months ago

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@ Cyberblade

well, that was a heavy read, but what I got from it is "yes, you don't need diversity to tell the story of a good show.". I hear complaints alot that all the stories in the world are already told, but I disagree, you can still retell ANY STORY as long as you insert genuine human dialogue that is well written and connect with the audience. like for example : "oh, so now I have my own evil twin? I mean clone, I meant to say clone. hmmm, would be nicer if I had a twin. only child here, I get fantasies about how happy siblings are, even though the internet disagrees! XD" ... see? it's not an original idea, but the dialogue is what makes it unique.

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