I am atheist, but am still open to the idea for a God

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The idea for a god isn't something I necessarily fully reject, but I also require something in life called (Evidence.) Not proof which a book like a bible claims, but real evidence for a god.

I reject anything which was human made, when it comes to a god. Just because it is suppose to be inspired by a god, does not mean it actually was. There's also overwhelming evidence for a thing called (Evolution) and I cannot ignore that sort of (Evidence.)

Yes a God of some sort is an interesting idea, but the idea was thought up into many gods, and many religions around the world. In simple, and this is making it simple, people tried to explain our existence.
People observed things around them, then explained it as best they could.

I am NOT posting this Facebook direct, that way people who don't like this, can just click back, and ignore this if they prefer.

If my sister should read down to this point, no it does not mean I changed my mind, please lets see how I can get me to a Christmas Eve Service, I meant that. I want to hang out and do a Christmas Eve Service, it does not mean that I am changing to Christian. I do believe I like the human emotion called (Love). And truthfully Christmas Eve Services are usually kind of fun.

That's it for this Journal, but I will always like that human emotion, and feel there's never enough of it in the world.

Thanks Fur Reading. Fievel. ;)

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Reizinho

5 days, 10 hrs ago

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Well, I like to give a lesson on that topic to my students. It is supposed to happen around this time of the year, for 10th-graders. Philosophers tried to prove the existence of God in a handful of times. The first big attempt to do so was with Anselmo's argument that God can be proved by its definition: God is perfect and a perfect being can't not exist.

Now, that attempt is lame, because you are deriving the existence of something from its definition, but the correct order of things is the inverse: first you gotta notice the existence of something and then define it. There was a need to prove the existence of God in ways better than that.

Thomas Aquinas tried to do so in five ways. Each way has it's own little problem, but they can be pretty convincing:

1. Everything in nature is subject to change. Something can only change by its own volition or by influence of an outside force. The universe does not have free will, but is subject to change. It can't change itself. The source of change in the universe must be outside of the universe and must be bigger than it. Further, such source must not be, itself, subject to change (coming to existence is a change, so, if the source of change is subject to change, it would need to have come into existence, but how would it be, if change was impossible before the source of change came to be?). Thus, there must be a being who causes change without being subject to it. The problem with this is that change can be operated by some properties of matter, such as gravity, so the universe could cause change in itself without an outside source.

2. Everything in the universe has a cause. I came from my parents and they came from my grandparents and so on. Complex life came from smaller life forms and those from chemical elements, somehow. And so on. But one can not go back in the the chain of causes infinitely. If there's no beginning, then there's no middle and there would not be anything existing now. Thus, there must be something that creates without being itself created by anything else. Again, such thing could well be matter. However, in defense of this, it is still unclear how life can be born from inert chemical elements that are not alive themselves. The emergence of life remains a miracle.

3. Nothing comes from nothing. If something exists now, then something has always existed. There must be something in the universe that is eternal. Again, it could be matter or energy.

4. Every being can be put in a perfection ranking. Men are more perfect than animals and animals more perfect than plants and plants more perfect than minerals. Every ranking implies a first place. This is kinda unconvincing.

5. The universe is in order. It is not a chaos. Were some important constants a little different, life would be impossible on Earth. And here, things happen with regularity: seasons of the year, for example. If the universe is orderly, it must have been put in order. Otherwise, what would be keeping the universe from descending into chaos? Thus, there must be an intelligent being responsible for regulating the universe. However, there's a small chance that we could have just gotten lucky. Nonetheless, this is often pointed out by atheists as the most convincing proof. I find the second and third more convincing...

However, Thomas Aquinas admits that, although reason suggests that the existence of a god is plausible, what kind of god is it? Different religions have different kinds of gods. So, what religion would be the correct? Blaise Pascal tries to answer this with the "Pascal's wager". Imagine four scenarios:

1. God exists and I believe in him, so I will be infinitely rewarded for my faith in him.
2. God does not exist and I believe in him, so I won't be rewarded, but I'm unlikely to miss out much.
3. God does not exist and I don't believe in him, so I lose nothing and earn nothing.
4. God exists and I don't believe in him, so I'm going to Hell.

Reizinho

5 days, 10 hrs ago

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@ Reizinho

With that, Pascal tries to show that it is worth it to believe in the God revealed by the Holy Bible, but that's a stretch: other gods can promise similar rewards and punishments. So, "which god?" remains a matter of personal faith.

Myself, I live by the four Gospels. And that's pretty much it.

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