TL;DR: There's another poll here Having hypno not be one of my main kinks, learning that hypno or brainwashing is sometimes considered by people as a noncon genre of kink has always been rather fascinating for me. This is primarily because, as I'm learning more and more about it, Hypno if you stretch it enough has quite the spectrum to it.
So I wonder... Where would you draw the line here at hypno being noncon and what's your preferred level of... "hypno consent". Here's a poll with a whole spectrum of hypno and hypno adjacent stuff to choose from. If you need some clarification on what these terms are then see below.
The following are how me and the bf have consolidated these brainwashing, hypno, and hypno adjacent concepts ordered from most consensual wiht minor mind altering to straight up just forcing people into sex.
Calming -Moving a persons emotional state into a more neutral one and perhaps reducing inhibitions a bit so you wouldn't be as hesitant to do things.
Emotional Control -The difference between this and the previous one is that this is in a way "adds" feelings. You can force people into becoming horny and etc which is far less of just a gentle nudge but this doesn't really
Mind Wipe This one's a bit tricky to place but there's a reason for this placement here. If say you wipe all of a persons memories away n such and install a new personality with new memories... this is a different person. You're not forcing the previous person into a role they didn't agree to. You're essentially putting an entirely different person in the body of the previous one, and if that new person consents then its pretty consenting then. That makes sense... right?
Personality Control So this isn't just altering a persons mood which can be temporary no this is altering aspects of a persons personality to want to have sex with you and engage in certain kinks
TF If a personality is a bit intangible then changing a persons body so that it will inherently want sex that the person may not otherwise consent to, like say... TF-ing a person into a feral in heat, is sort of its physical counterpart which I feel would be less consenting.
Corruption This is the previous 2 combined now. Changing both a persons personality and their body to match.
Mind Control This isn't just directly controlling the personality to indirectly control a persons actions but rather full on direct control of a persons thought process.
Brainwashing This is kind of like the mind wipe described earlier but rather than a persons old personality just disappearing this is gradually forcing a persons mind into changing into something else which in a way I would say would make it maybe less consenting cuz during the process yeah the person may not want this even if by the end of the process they would.
Trance Okay so hear me out on this... this is like mindwipe but temporary right? Like with a snap of the fingers the person basically changes into a different persona nd with a snap of the fingers they're back.... so why is this much higher than its previous 2 related concepts? Well when you think about it... it's kinda almost like the original personality is... unconscious wherein you and the new personality you've created have sex using their body.... So it's pretty much the same as drugging a perso and having sex with their unconscious body... does that make sense?
Realistic brainwashing (grooming methods etc) This is basically what cults do, raising people from the start to mold their personality into something that would never resist you so this is self explanatory.
Mind break Destroying somebodys mind til they're in almost like a catatonic state so broken that they can't fight back
Body control And lastly is this... you're just in a way just forcing somebody to have sex with you. The only difference between this an just doing it manually by force is that you're using the other persons body to accomplish this. self explanatorily noncon
I would say it's bit more simple than that... Is the person seeking this out for their own enjoyment as some do or is the hypnotist simply using their methods on randos for their own enjoyment x3
I would say it's bit more simple than that... Is the person seeking this out for their own enjoyment
well this was more in context of why people lump hypno into non-con without the nuance of it. So How does each act fit into a non-con setting. Tldr: what would normies scream being rape via hypno.
well this was more in context of why people lump hypno into non-con without the nuance of it. So How
I kinda wanna observe an rp or read about it. Maybe Ill find a friend whos in it that will let me tag along and watch what goes down for their session.
I kinda wanna observe an rp or read about it. Maybe Ill find a friend whos in it that will let me ta
I have a perspective on mostly just hypno that may be of interest.
So for me hypno as it is commonly used in tagging and categorizing kinks feels like a bit of a misnomer. It often gets lumped in with other forms of manipulation kinks that I think kind of muddies what it actually is.
Realistic hypnosis fully requires the subject to be--at least in some capacity--okay with the things that they are being "made" to do. In other words, you can't hypnotize someone to do something that they wouldn't already want to do, but you are stripping away the inhibitions that prevent them from doing it while conscious.
So knowing that, technically hypno at its core should be in it's own category from more direct control kinks (mind control, corruption, etc).
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Tangent aside, I think that it's a little hard to tier the levels of consent that these could be since it's can be a case-by-case basis for the characters experiencing it. But I would personally place mind wipe and mind control a bit higher on the list, imo those count as more direct assertions of control--so more agency for the controller to do what they want with the victim.
Based on your list though, I'd say anything past calming goes into the territory of non-con or at the very least "consensual non-con".
I have a perspective on mostly just hypno that may be of interest. So for me hypno as it is common
I lump it in with a type of noncon play, the way I have 'played' hypno in real life is through means more aligning with brainwashing?
I.E. having actions done for rewards like being called a good boy/dog. The idea is less about the noncon sense of it, but consentually 'convincing' the other person that it is their inner self that is doing the action rather than their rational self. I even relate this to chasity/ownership where the other person is learning to act your way for the reward of getting off/out of their cage.
I lump it in with a type of noncon play, the way I have 'played' hypno in real life is through means
