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NotHyperion

IB's new terms and my stance

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Don't think anyone asked, but here it is anyway.
Heavy topics and brutal honesty ahead, I'm not sorry, but be warned of that, given I'll be using this oportunity to rant about the broader related issue.
Here we go.

So, you've probably seen it from other artists by this point, but IB has updated their policy regarding their tolerance for certain users.
Let me give you a TLDR, basically, a whole bunch of bad actors have been using the site to exchange and promote ilegal material, and the IB team is pushing back against this. WHICH IS FUCKING GREAT. Please, read the updates here, they're doing something great here.

https://inkbunny.net/j/495413

That's the announcement, I will now proceed to expand a bit on my outlook on this for good meassure.

First things first, I do not support, endorse, or accept any sort of ilegal material, harm of people and children, exploitation, or any action/media that results in direct harm to an individual.  Sadly, with the sort of material that is put up on IB, it's kind of a... "Truth you are just willingly blind to", something your gut just keeps telling you and you know, but don't want to know. I'm referring to the fact that a site such as that, and the type of content it offers, is probably full of actual pedofiles and dangerous individuals. Who knows if I've worked for them without knowing, who knows if some of the people here, even, interact with ilegal material. You can never know.
I think we just keep telling ourselves "oh, this fella sees this content just like I do and I'M not a pedophile or an abuser, I'M not a rapist but I enjoy rape art, so others there surely are the same, right?", but come one. We know some people in there are actually into the real thing. Which is deplorable.
I'm making it clear here that I have no tolerance for anyone that proudly engages with that sort of thing and thinks it's good.
and I hope you die
My artwork doesn't exploit anyone. it Isn't targeted to anyone. I draw things I personally find cute and appealing. Lovely fluffly critters, and my personal mindset doesn't go past that when I'm drawing. Many many times, I actually do feel a bit anxious. "fuck, this looks too young", but in the end it's just pixels on a screen, no exploiting, no harm done, it's ficction. The thing I always parrot: "thinking furry cub art is actual pedophilia is like thinking action movies are actual murder".  Hell, even movies being murder have more of an arguement (if you wanna employ heavy ass mental gymnastics) than art does, because they're humans and actual actors pretending they're killing someone. Even there it's still stupid. it's like the 'normies' who think furries are zoophiles by default just cause "oop, has human proportions and anatomy BUT IT'S STILL A DOG". People are stupid, but I'm way past caring.
I've had friends lose their lives over abuse/exploitation. I always encourage and endorse an attitude of respect and understanding, but that stops the moment someone is exploiting people and causing actual harm. I firmly stand by my viewpoint that some lives just don't have any value. When someone takes action against someone in real life, or even as much as watches images of actual children, than person loses all value.
You don't have to agree with my mindset. You can hate it and think those people can be reformed or need help. That's ok. I'm not imposing it or asking you to think the same.  I'm merely expressing my stance on these matters.
That's it. I'm happy IB is taking a stance against this and I hope they go hard on it.
All that aside...friends. keep enjoying the art you enjoy. I don't like feral stuff, I don't like rape stuff, but I don't think looking at a drawing and enjoying it makes you a bad person.
Just please be respectful, to people, animals, and friends. so long as that respect is deserved of course...I think everyone deserves respect by default, until they show they're dangerous, abusive individuals.
And I cross my fingers and hope you are all just cute art enjoyers that don't meddle with ilegal shit.
I've heard the arguement that we should censor certain art because "someone might get triggered by it, someone might've experienced rape and sees a rape piece, for example"
1. I'm not somehow responsible for random people on the internet.
2. I didn't target it to them. thus, the artwork was not intended to cause harm
3. Actual harmful art IS a thing. Art that specifically targets someone and is used as an attack. that IS a thing. personally I think one should analyze and wager what the "point" of a piece is. Having a piece with a character holding a sign that says "kill all fags" is harmful, so is showing a character actually performing such an action, it's not the text that makes it wrong.
This is because such a piece is targeting an actual, real group of people and is made as a direct attack to be upsetting. Lets contrast that to say, a rape piece of art. It is not targeting "rape victims", it's not targeting anything other than a fictional character. If you want to protect a fictional character's rights, that's your problem.
It would be way different, for instance, if it was a rape piece featuring an actual, real person. Even if it's "just art", it's targeted towards someone, and that's what makes it wrong. Unless the person depicted in the art gave the consent and green light, then go for it by all means.
>btw and for the record I find rape art to be distasteful and it's not on my plans to ever do it. But I'm not a hypocrate (or an idiot) so it's not like I think you're a rapist if you like it.
In the end I am not responsible for protecting random people from seing stuff they don't wanna see. I still do it, cause I'm not an asshole either, but I don't let that stop me from doing the art I want.

Peace.
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Chira
Chira
1 year, 8 months ago
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i think a few peoples in tthat update journal either deleted their accounts here on IB now or got banned.
for example, there was a guy named shocu which said stuff like "but doesnt this aims at everyone" or something like that. his account is suddenly gone. i told him no, its just against those which are actually into real stuff and looking here on IB for "likeminded" peoples. he argued with an admin too saying that everything is the same *shrugs* atleast thats how i understood it, if ya wanna see it scroll on the journal until ya see my icon pic XD.

in anycase. i like this change too, i hope this stops creepy PM´s which i sometimes got about my chiro and/or chira ...
when do you open comissions again tho ~w~ i always miss it. i would love to throw my chira at you and saying as comish info "give her a nice cyber outfit, go wild with it" cause ya do that outfit stuff awesome '_'.
missilver
missilver
1 year, 8 months ago
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There was always a set of folk who were dead set on the idea that imagination=reality at first i thought it was just some hatewagon type of issue like those who are constantly trying to tell people that images of a xenomorph fucking an anthro rabbit is bestiality. It was concerning to see that some people really dont have the capacity to separate reality from fantasy while also not having enough common sense to differentate between perceived reality vs actual reality.

Nowadays i sit in my chair and curse 4chan for creating and popularising the MAP and kidgender thing soo much that we have actual criminals trying to use and popularize the concept. They were the source, they created this mess for shits and giggles and it gone too far!
ElfenSciuridae
ElfenSciuridae
1 year, 8 months ago
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" Chira wrote:
in anycase. i like this change too, i hope this stops creepy PM´s which i sometimes got about my chiro and/or chira ...


You get them too? I mean, I got them about doing such art with
krezz
krezz
's Characters as I draw mostly in his style, and they wanted some really sick stuff.It got worse, I mean the numbers of request shot up shortly after his death, but I still say "No!" Krezz was a friend and I respect his work and his characters. Its been a while since I got such a request, but they might return in the future.
Chira
Chira
1 year, 8 months ago
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yea, the worst ones are when you say no but then getting threatened ... -..-.
or they whine at you and saying stuff like "but this person was able to" yea, there are differences between "close friends" and "totally random peoples" luckily, those peoples often loose in an instant interest after telling them that chiro and chira are not cubs, they simply got often drawn in chibi kemono style (by clyndemoon and recently by kryztar and even seany aka  FireEagle2015 here on IB). but thats how you can identify those peoples quick if they expect "a young OC" and loosing in an instant interest when you tell them "but they arent cubs" x3.
firestar7
firestar7
1 year, 8 months ago
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Yeah, he got ban, at first he was contacted just for warning him the fact his avatar must be change as it became a violation of their policy
Then Idk he got ban, I remember him as an irl/r*pe protestor, and fighting against misconception

But anyway, it's sad that today only the minority that are sending truly CP can change things for literally everyone
Chira
Chira
1 year, 8 months ago
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because of his avatar? but, when i talked to him had he a riolu profile picture o.o
edit: nvm it was your profile not his XD.

but weird to get banned for a riolu icon picture. it was for me a normal riolu with hair *shrugs*
is it bad to have a riolu pfp with hair xwx?
firestar7
firestar7
1 year, 8 months ago
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Oh you didn't noticed it? o.o
It was on his collar, with a butterfly knot looking with the map flag in it, that was the main reason he got banned ^^'
Chira
Chira
1 year, 8 months ago
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btw incase you wonder about the edit thing: i was on your profile and was thinking its shocus and wrote like "oh he got unbanned " but no, i didnt noticed that. i never look that close onto peoples pfp´s c.c
firestar7
firestar7
1 year, 8 months ago
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Oh don't worry X3
I'm just someone with a rando name for my self protection, as there are people trying to exposing artist doing young characters as they were child predators, I preferred to change my name =~=
Allester
Allester
1 year, 8 months ago
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Oh thank the gods I'm not the only one getting creepy PMs. I mean my stories have underage characters - but they are CLEARLY not based on Humans (I mean Pokemon, and an Alien planet where human's aren't even a thing... you'd think they'd get it!) but I still got random PMs asking if I'd write this story about a Kid and his/her parent, I'd be interested and ask for details... and the details ended up getting reported to Admins. THIS is why I refuse to use Human's and Elves in my stories. But I am very happy with this rule update, hopefully now our PM's wont be creepy... cooky, or spooky! *snap snap*
Etis
Etis
1 year, 8 months ago
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" Actual harmful art IS a thing. Art that specifically targets someone and is used as an attack. that IS a thing. personally I think one should analyze and wager what the "point" of a piece is. Having a piece with a character holding a sign that says "kill all fags" is harmful, so is showing a character actually performing such an action, it's not the text that makes it wrong.
Here I disagree. Propaganda (as in "call to action in visual form") is not art. And "performing such an action" is not necessarily bad, context matters. Art can glorify something, can condemn something, and can even push you to think and make your own decision.

As for in general, while I'm ok with stated goals, I am still very concerned. It can easily be a start of a witch hunt. There is a wave of journals made by self-righteous hypocrites, and new rules are quite vague. Pretty much everyone who makes a journal drops "those who are involved in real life activities" part, and admins do not care to correct them, even if it is technically a gross violation of several rules.
NotHyperion
NotHyperion
1 year, 8 months ago
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"Here I disagree. Propaganda (as in "call to action in visual form") is not art. And "performing such an action" is not necessarily bad, context matters. Art can glorify something, can condemn something, and can even push you to think and make your own decision."

-Which is why I made it a point to say one should undesrtand what the purpose/goal of the art itself is, whether it's condemning an action or glorifying it.

As for the witch hunt, good. I fail to see what's wrong about that. good old "if you have nothing to hide then you shouldn't worry". I don't quite understand what's wrong with that. If it is found someone is using these services to spread ilegal material, they SHOULD be hunted. As per the terms of the site we all agree to to be here, admins have always had access to DMs, so it's not like much is changing on that front.
I do appreciate the lil' jabs :p
Chira
Chira
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the bad thing is, a witch hunt can cause nowadays quiet the damage to you, expecially if you get doxxed in the process. your life is by then basicly over depending in which country you live or what for a boss at work you have or landlord etc. ya can loose job, home, family ... everything, even if it is not true what the witch hunt says about you.

some peoples just do this to damage your reputation. i experienced this stuff on my own but luckily was able to proof that the person which initiated said witch hunt 5 years ago against me, lied and his made up stuff had no truth whatsoever behind it. it backfired really bad at them aswell due to "not telling the truth and manipulating peoples into it to be part of it" even killing friendships in the process. many friends apologized back then to me and i still have today trust issues because of it.
Etis
Etis
1 year, 8 months ago
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" As for the witch hunt, good. I fail to see what's wrong about that
Well, if you don't mind "you look suspicious to me, so we must ruin your life no matter if you are really doing anything bad" then witch hunt is fine.

The very definition of witch hunt is that its victims are innocent. Google "salem witch trials".
Novilon
Novilon
1 year, 8 months ago
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" NotHyperion wrote:
As for the witch hunt, good. I fail to see what's wrong about that. good old "if you have nothing to hide then you shouldn't worry". I don't quite understand what's wrong with that.


I don't think you quite understand what the term "witch hunt" means.  It does not, at least in the modern context, mean a hunt for actual witches, or even a good-faith search for wrongdoers in one's midst; it means an investigation (or series of such), conducted with a great deal of publicity, which claims to be searching for wrongdoers, but whose actual purpose is to incite moral panic or mass hysteria against one's opponents for reasons that have nothing to do with the actual accusations being made.  (To gain a political advantage over a rival group, or to persecute a group with unconventional or unpopular opinions, for example.)

"Canceling" someone via social media is a form of witch hunt.  "I don't like this person / group, so I'm going to make a bunch of specious accusations against them to enrage the InstaTwitFaceTokOgram mob and destroy them."
ElfenSciuridae
ElfenSciuridae
1 year, 8 months ago
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I agree with you and you do great art! Keep doing it.
DoomMaGeddon
DoomMaGeddon
1 year, 8 months ago
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I'm just glad to be intelligent enough to enjoy fiction and feel disgusted at reality. I'm also glad to see people targeting REALITY and the REAL PROBLEM with REAL VICTIMS instead of fiction. And for "targeting" I don't mean harassing them to death. I mean punishing the abusers and getting any help possible for the ones that want to treat and eliminate their ailments. Cuz I don't consider such a thing as something else than an important mental illness.
Chira
Chira
1 year, 8 months ago
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the funniest ones are the trolls which are in denial.
i told a troll on twi... i mean X ... sorry, that he is incapable to differ between reality and fiction/fantasy.
what he did afterwards literarly blown my mind ... he posted a real life young girl in a fantasy elven outfit and asked me "would you fuck her?"
i simply replied with "you just proven me that have right with what i just said to you, anything else with what you want to blamage yourself? btw no, ofcourse not because thats a real child" he then tried to continue for a bit but i ignored him. he literarly eliminated himself with that and got then even trolled by other trolls and then ... it was a troll vs troll war XXXDD.
SentinelX
SentinelX
1 year, 8 months ago
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I've said it before. I'll say it again. All MAPS deserve to be folded.
Chira
Chira
1 year, 8 months ago
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dumb question tho. or not, since english isnt my native language but, for what does MAPS stand for? o-o
firestar7
firestar7
1 year, 8 months ago
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They stand only for acceptance, a better understanding of themselves, as it's not a choice, they fight exactly like gays did years ago

People says they are also for cp, while it's not true, they only wish harmony between everyone
And they are a lot about questioning how to better protect kids, as they have a different point of view, and for some people some experiences

Each map group are different, and just like lgbt, there are fake group in both sides sending true pictures of real child r*pe for discrediting them
Chira
Chira
1 year, 8 months ago
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eh, i dont think stuff like that will ever get accepted.
for example; you do cub artwork right? so~ if you would go out on the streets and scream "i draw cub nsfw" am i pretty sure that ends bad for you.

so yea, what "map" peoples do, atleast in this regard is pointless. this will get never accepted. as soon you tell someone "i like lolicon" are you a threat for their kids. it doesnt matters if you would never touch a kid and know the difference between real and fiction. society will NEVER accept this.

it may happens with gay, bi, lesbian and probably even transgender sooner or later which is already in its "acceptance child shoes" ... i know ... bad pun but ... in regards of loli/shota/cub is it pointless. again, this will be never accepted. those "map" peoples might disagree with me now and maybe say "but it worked with lgbtq too" yea ... but thats something completely different.

the reason why this will get never accepted is simple: a child which isnt in its adulthood will always feel pain in a sexual act. simply because the body isnt even ready for that stuff yet. it never will be like mangas or drawn pictures depict. you will always hurt the child. hence why it will never get accepted. those "map" peoples can simply give up to fight for that. sorry but thats the truth.
firestar7
firestar7
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Alas in my country arts of bunny rabbits loli or shotafor example are illegal now ^^'
Even in Canada i'm scared about doing those stuff anyway
All I just want, is to earn money, for after giving them to people/artist in need

Not gonna lie to you, i'm alas one of them... but, I don't want to harm anyone, just to help people...
I know and understand all the hate we have, but... *Sigh* anyway

(Most surprisingly, in history cp were legal almost everywhere, even in France by selling cp magazine mostly made in Ukraine
It's since 1970-1980 that thing have changed mostly from mind)
Chira
Chira
1 year, 8 months ago
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might be, but time changes.
for example, here in germany was in the 1950ths up to the 1990s ok to have kids in cigarette addvertisements. then during the 90ths slowly vanished this because unhealthy, expecially for kids. at the end of the 90ths vanished cigarette addverts completely here and even got prohibited by the gov.

so you see, time changes things. something which was completely fine years ago is now taboo!!
maybe peoples backthen never seen enough how much a kid would suffer. with the internet got it widely shown and acceptance torwards it vanished. it´ll be soon everywhere illegal. it will even hit japan sooner or later. probably more later then sooner.

here in germany is it "still" greyzone to have mangas like that or cub artwork "BUT" and now comes the big but! if one of those mangas looks "too realistic" aka the characters in said manga are not drawn like anime but more torwards realistic children will you get pulled infront of a court. i am sure this will soon change aswell here and will be then completely illegal, doesnt matters if anime look or not.
firestar7
firestar7
1 year, 8 months ago
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Yeah, even about wine in France, kids drank every time when they eat, then minimum 14yo at school to give them while their meal, then changed for milk, which today we noticed too much it's isn't good
And in England that they were worst by drinking two time more then french about wine lol, but it wasn't supposed to be alcoholic from mind in medieval times

But also lithium in the 7up, uranium in baby powder, ect, we learned since x3

For art... gosh I don't want that it become illegal, it's certainly the only thing I have to express myself, alas politics can send people into any web site to sending cp, and then, making an example for prohibiting young characters arts for as always political reasons...
I'm becoming tired of all of this, why humans can't understand each other...
*sigh* let's hope it won't become illegal

Allester
Allester
1 year, 8 months ago
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" firestar7 wrote:

But also lithium in the 7up, uranium in baby powder, ect, we learned since x3


Radium Condoms -- The original Light saber ;p
firestar7
firestar7
1 year, 8 months ago
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Omg!
I want one :p
Allester
Allester
1 year, 8 months ago
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Seriously, they're a real thing. Look them up. I found it hilarious during my studies for Radium in college xP
SentinelX
SentinelX
1 year, 8 months ago
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Wow I'm really late to the party on the explanation.

Anyway MAP stands for Minor Attracted Person. Trying to soft-brand pedophilia to remove the stigma associated with the term, so they can claim they're the true victims just like alcoholics do.

If they want to call themselves maps, I say mock the term. Maps existed long before pedos tried to hijack the term to apply to themselves. If they want to be called maps, then they can get folded like a map and stuffed in a glove compartment.
cmcfilly
cmcfilly
1 year, 8 months ago
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I agree 150% with this post hyperion.  There's a fine line between fantasy and reality and as long as you NEVER EVER cross that line, no harm done.

The moment you do however...

Just picture me as Alucard and you as that random vamp from the beginning of the series...

All humor aside, those people are deplorable.
XPAuthor
XPAuthor
1 year, 8 months ago
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My stance on this and other extremes I post and enjoy is this: As long as it is kept to fantasy, online, and NOT real, then it's fine. It is only once it crosses over into real that it crosses the line. Fantasy is not reality, and the very, VERY few people that cannot distinguish between this need to seek help.
SleepingCobrox
SleepingCobrox
1 year, 8 months ago
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This is a great post with your firm stance and all but it would really help to have paragraph spacing
SnowflakeBunny
SnowflakeBunny
1 year, 8 months ago
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Im happy with the way IB and so many artists on here are handling this. I agree with all your points here, hopefully MAPs, zoos, and the like are banned into oblivion or leave the site. Sadly you can't eliminate creeps 100% but this is about the best way so far I've seen to deal with it.
firestar7
firestar7
1 year, 8 months ago
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Not everyone are creeps hopefully

But yeah... it's sucks
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