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My thoughts on AI images:

There is a continued concern regarding AI as it applies to the future of humanity. But in regards to the generated images, people fall under two perspectives:

1. The images are interesting looking, have sexual appeal, and/or inspire an admiration for the technology itself, as well as the coder of the AI. AI has a programmer, but for AI image generation, it also has a coder: a human providing prompts to siphon the algorithm to generate the image. I have been watching a few coders recently, in particular

Cirn0

and

cubvalue

who post the prompts, seeds, and models used in the coding. I find the images very interesting to look at and a marvel of technology in its own right.

2. Perspective 2 takes great concern about AI in general, including AI generated sound simulating music, and AI images simulating artwork. Furthermore, people with this perspective believe AI images diminishes the integrity of art, which can be defined as an aesthetic experience inspired by sentient creativity. People with this perspective often believe blocking viewing of the images is not enough, but that AI images should be banned from art platforms such as Inkbunny.

Ultimately, AI images should not be referred to as "AI artwork," and the coders should not be referred to as "artists." If this perspective is taken, then I believe AI images can be enjoyed for what they are. It is like respecting the development of a factory machine which produces a piece of equipment without human crafting: it is a marvel of technology, even as it takes away labor jobs.

The problem I see going forward is unlike

Cirn0

and

cubvalue

who are open and honest that they are not artists, as AI advances, there will be others pretending to be artists, but using AI behind the scenes. I see how this can belittle the profession. The question in the next few years will be simple: will a site like Inkbunny be defined as a site for posting furry artwork, or a site for posting furry images?

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Added:	1 year, 6 months ago 04 Jul 2023 21:17 CEST

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GreenPika

1 year, 6 months ago

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The problem is, most people aren't honest about NOT being artists AND more importantly, regardless of how honest or not anyone is, AI will replace real artists with a soulless clone art scene. It's always "fine" when cheap mass manufactured product takes the jobs from genuine crafts peoples, that is until it's YOU who gets shafted.

Kirapac

1 year, 5 months ago

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@ GreenPika

If AI artwork truly is soulless, it will eventually fail due to popular demand alone. Of course, a lot of fast food is pretty soulless tasting compared to homemade or a proper chef's creation, and it still carries on.

GreenPika

1 year, 5 months ago

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@ Kirapac

People have been trained too well to like soulless corporate trash. The American consumer has been a prime example of this for decades. No, AI art will flourish, thanks to the petty who are all too happy to eat the bugs, live in the pod, accept their government issued universal income and be "happy to own nothing". Only those who don't want to be reduced to livestock, will crave real art and real food. Sadly those people seem far and few in the fandom and are already struggling to make ends meat.

UnstableSable

1 year, 6 months ago

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"Putting people who do things the slow way out of work" isn't a valid reason for banning technological advancement, in my opinion. If shovels build by hand with a stick, a sheet of steel, and a hammer were consistently better than those produced en masse by factories, artisan shovels would retain an economic niche in spite of the vast affordability of "good enough" mass produced products; this holds true in the food industry where hand-crafted meals fetch a suitable price for skilled laborers (I.E., actual restaurant meals) while fast food following a simple factory like instruction procedure is much cheaper and often takes less time for the customer to receive, and both continue to exist in the same economy strictly speaking.

AI generated images will likewise cause a shift in the economics of buying furry commissions; the lazy who charge for a YCH as if it was a full designed piece with the customer having a say in things like pose and composition will struggle, artists with a sufficiently distinct style to be difficult to imitate will not. Artists who take the time to get everything right will stay as they are, but the people who are sloppy about the details of things like ears and hands and eyes will struggle a bit, as "quick, sloppy, and 'good enough'" will be supplied by the assembly line.

You'll also see, pretty quickly, that most furries don't want art - they want porn of some fetish or another, and the longer they've been consuming it the more specialized and dehumanizing their fixations will be (thus they'll run into more artists uncomfortable with it but also more computer programs that have a hard time understanding the prompts, another self-correcting issue). They don't care about the process it takes to make their visual masturbation aid, they just care if it's there - I know back when I was into the porn I was regularly looking at things sorta similar to but not quite matching my desires regardless of who drew it and who paid for it.

Kirapac

1 year, 5 months ago

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@ UnstableSable

I also do see the utility of AI to clean up original productions. They do not have to be mutually exclusive. An AI could confirm a doctor's judgment with a second opinion. An AI could adjust a small perspective defect on an original artwork. Calculators are themselves AI if the term is used loosely. It is the displacement of jobs or the concerns of AI sentience which worry most people.

Cirn0

1 year, 6 months ago

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Thank you for being pragmatic about it. I've seen so much hate in journals in the past couple of days, it's a breath of fresh air to open one and not see fearmongering, wildest accusations, threats etc. (It wasn't directed at me personally but it was still not pleasant to read), but I believe this is just an angry hateful vocal minority and they do not represent the majority of the users here. I love this site, been here for more than 10 years and I want it to be a place free of hate and toxicity.

First of all I want to say that I understand that this site should be for artists first and everything else second. That's why I always check that there are no submissions from me in "Popular" before posting. So, at most, there will be only one submission from me there. I want to share nice looking pictures, that quite a lot of people like, without attracting too much attention, because while I do spend quite some time on these pictures it can't even remotely be compared with how much time actual artists spend not only on each individual image but the years of practice they have to go through to get where they are right now.

The genie is out of the bottle, AI is here to stay and the best thing we can do, in my opinion, is to be honest about what we upload. Banning AI won't solve anything. We will have people claiming AI pictures as their own art and we will have angry mobs accusing artists of using AI regardless if AI is allowed or banned.

I saw administrators saying that they will update how the "Popular" section works and it might alleviate some of the issues people are having right now.

cubvalue

1 year, 6 months ago

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OMG hello Kirapac, I've been noticed by daddy senpai :) been reading your comics for a long time now and I love how absurd they are! Keep being you!
Also thanks for your support, I really don't have much to add.

Kirapac

1 year, 5 months ago

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@ cubvalue

Thanks! I don't create artwork like I used to. I spend most casual time running my Path of Exile channel RPGIGAN.

HorndogD

1 year, 5 months ago

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At the risk of pissing off some of my artist friends, my brutally honest opinion is that the solution for artists afraid of being replaced by AI is to make better art. As of right now, AI can't really produce original art from nothing; it can only replicate different formations of what already exists. If you as an artist feel like your work is getting lost in a sea of visually indistinguishable AI products, chances are you have a very generic style and your pieces are doing very little to expand the medium in terms of aesthetics, symbolism, storytelling, etc. And if you think it's pretentious to expect any of those things from furry porn, then you're only devaluing your own craft and admitting you view yourself as a passionless hack.

The one moral issue I see with AI are those who feed an algorithm with an artist's work and fail to give any credit to the original artist for the resulting AI products. That isn't even a technological issue so much as a transparency issue. There are artists in the fandom who exclusively post colorations of other artists' work, and we see no problem with that because they credit the original artist. If a colorist started presenting their creations as completely original work, that would be a pretty cut-and-dried example of art theft. I believe AI posts should be approached the same way.

Kirapac

1 year, 5 months ago

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@ HorndogD

"	HorndogD wrote:
	At the risk of pissing off some of my artist friends, my brutally honest opinion is that the solution for artists afraid of being replaced by AI is to make better art.

This is an argument that can apply to a lot of topics. Gamers often say "get gud." Consider the debate over trans athletes competing in sports against those opposite their birth sex. One argument would say hey, maybe biologically female athletes should just "get better" and beat the biological "males" the old fashioned way.

The debate comes down to inherent capability. Will AI surpass human capabilities? Very likely some day. It depends whether the computations are able to extrapolate into physical or mathematical possibilities untouched by mankind. I'm speaking more of the fairly distant future.

HorndogD

1 year, 5 months ago

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@ Kirapac

I think the transgender athlete debate comes down to a matter of how to best preserve a fair, level playing field where inherent biological advantages are minimized and victory favors the competitors who put the most effort into honing their skills. Sports need to be "fair" (to whatever extent society decides constitutes fairness) because that's kind of the whole point of athletic competition. Personally, I think the inherent capability of artists matters far less in regards to the world of art.

Let's face it: technique is dead. Unless you're gunning for TikTok views with one of those speed painting videos, the method by which art is created is basically irrelevant. Nobody cares if their favorite painting began life on a canvas or in Photoshop, or if their favorite book was originally written on note paper or in a Word file. What matters is the resulting work of art and how it affects its audience. With that in mind, I think any tool that expands an artist's ability to make their visions a reality should be embraced by the community.

Again, brutally honest here and I mean no offense to anyone, but presently, purely AI-produced art is almost universally regarded as the lowest form of art that exists. That may change enough in the future that it warrants revisiting this discussion, but as of this writing, 98% of AI art is regurgitated, homogenized visual data that typically looks derivative at best and weirdly uncanny at worst. For an artist to feel genuinely threatened by AI calls to mind all the "chefs" who felt threatened by the invention of TV dinners. If you're getting your ass kicked by that, then yeah, I'd say "get gud" is a reasonable response. At the very least, get creative.

EDIT: Rereading this, I realize my tone may have come across as somewhat hostile. I don't mean it that way, nor did I intend to write such a long-winded rant of a response. I guess I just have a lot more to say about this subject than I thought.

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