Covert Cubs by TroutViper < Journal | Inkbunny, the Furry Art Community

4 years, 8 months ago

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that the price ya pay for holding up the Cub flag. It harder for folks to warrant their love of said character if their age is shown. Amy is a cute girl but once you say shes 15...she suddenly excluded from NSFW art.

Rhuke

4 years, 8 months ago

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I picture, with a name like covert cubs, they're ones undercover, spying on people XD may be lewd, may be curiosity, may be secret spies (cuz who'd think a cub is dangerous!)

Keeran

4 years, 8 months ago

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Honestly, those people don’t go without criticism. There’s a group of antis who think it’s immoral to make “aged up” art of canonically underage characters and they get shit on pretty bad. On Twitter, the artist “Sakimichan” got such treatment over a lewd pin-up of Nezuko from the anime “Demon Slayer”

TroutViper

4 years, 8 months ago

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@ Keeran

Yeah, they don't go without criticism: I'm criticizing them right now! ;)

~Vicky

Norithics

4 years, 8 months ago

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Right?! MAN. It's ridiculous how just not saying it will get you such a pass!
Oh and don't even get me started on all the "size difference" that's been introduced to skirt around it. Like yeah your dude is three feet tall 'n tiny and the lady is 7 foot, there's no similarity here at all! Not a bit! Not that I blame them for doing it but like come on, let's all be honest with ourselves for a minute here. XD

GabrielLaVedier

4 years, 8 months ago

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@ Norithics

I'm always honest. A weasel really is smaller than a chinchilla. Not everyone is a grifter, but your point is more than fair and more broadly true than most people want to admit. Its why cheerleader and schoolgirl outfits exist in adult sizes.

Norithics

4 years, 8 months ago

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@ GabrielLaVedier

Well yeah, it's not like I think that nobody is honestly doing size difference for its own sake- but after a while you start to see it enough and it's like "Some of this HAS to be a sneak."

Milkie

4 years, 8 months ago

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@ Norithics

I mean the prime example was whenever Eikega would pull that stuff. "All these characters are 18+" my ass, lol.

Love the guy's work to death and will die for his right to make it... but who's he foolin' with that?

TroutViper

4 years, 8 months ago

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@ Milkie

Oh big time. It's an absolute joke to think most of the males Aikega's/Eikega's/Eigaka's works are adults, or even close to being adults. But again, thousands of likes. I think there's a far bigger audience for cub stuff than anyone wants to admit.

~Vicky

MonsterMeat

4 years, 8 months ago

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Yea I know what you mean and it's stupid cause it's all popularity based, "Nah dude she's/he's just Petite!"

and Covert Cubs is great just thought of Metal gear parody myself. XD

AurumG

4 years, 8 months ago

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I actually agree with this. Tag your shit correctly.

There have been several posts about the reaction to cub content, but I'm not seeing it. Is it happening on Twitter?

TroutViper

4 years, 8 months ago

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@ AurumG

Yeah, on Twitter. I've seen tweets as ridiculous as "Unfollow this person because they've liked loli artwork in the past." Like, seriously? That's all it takes to start a witch hunt for some people, huh? :P

~Vicky

DireKyre

4 years, 8 months ago

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Pretty much yeah, that's just kinda how it goes though, hypocrites are everywhere and even worse people who shit all over something 'but it's ok when [x] does it'.

That setup certainly sounds like a fun idea though, I am trying to decide if I were to doll up my li'l fella in an outfit like that if a compressed heavy bulge in the front or the distinct outline of a fat, flaccid cock down one leg of the catsuit would be better...

TroutViper

4 years, 8 months ago

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@ DireKyre

Ooh, big glossy front bulge! Then it can bounce very distractingly when he's running. ;)

~Vicky

DireKyre

4 years, 8 months ago

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@ TroutViper

Of course,a suit like that is just the time for things like unnecessary rolls and jumping down off of things to make the packed-in booty and bulges wobble and bounce to catch the eye.

TroutViper

4 years, 8 months ago

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@ DireKyre

Y'know, this all sounds quite excellent. I hope we actually get to see this some time. <3

~Vicky

DireKyre

4 years, 8 months ago

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@ TroutViper

It's definitely going on my list of things to commission, I quite like the sound of it ♥ It has that same kind of charm as cramming a girlish but well-endowed boy into a japanese schoolgirl's swimsuit, lots of big trapped in a small space, and the wonderful ways that it moves while it is.

Weiss

4 years, 8 months ago

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What's worse is that they do it so that they can publish their work on sites that CLEARLY don't allow cub work but if the artist is popular enough and says "Oh it's not a cub" or doesn't say anything at all then nothing happens. A certain artist who's name starts with a Z always comes to mind in these situations

TroutViper

4 years, 8 months ago

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@ Weiss

I actually don't know which artist you're referring to, but yeah, that's part of the frustration of this -- that you've got people getting needlessly condemned for drawing fictional things, but also other people uploading things that are blatant violations of the ToS, but they get away with it because people really like their artwork. It blows. :P

~Vicky

Weiss

4 years, 8 months ago

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@ TroutViper

Said artist's name starts with a Z and they are kind of famous for drawing otters as well as a certain canine that's clearly underage but the artist refuses to admit that fact. Also lots of comics in a certain bottomless district.. I'd rather not say the name directly

Taticub

4 years, 8 months ago

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I agree 100% I also hate when these artists end up quitting cub art and delete all sources of it and pretend they never drew it. or just when any artist really quits it in fear of being shunned.

GabrielLaVedier

4 years, 8 months ago

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@ Taticub

It's their choice. I did stupid things when I was younger. If you learn new things and want to change, change. And if shunning was a fear, that's not always bad. I used to be whatever the larval stage of a nice guy/neckbeard is. I'm ecstatic I'm not and that I never fully developed. Stubbornness isn't a virtue it's a neutral category of mentality. "Segregation now, segregation forever" is line in the sand and loyal to message as hell but it's a hard sell to call it good because of mere obstinacy.

GabrielLaVedier

4 years, 8 months ago

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As ever, it comes down to context. It's important to remember that, while we all love massive jugs and dangerous curves, sometimes genuine grown adults don't have that. And they obviously didn't do it on purpose. Also some folks keep up anatomical matters like reptiles without breasts. Avians. Amphibians. Then you're left with the thorny question of Intent. Who is and isn't... A Jimmy Savile isn't instantly obvious. I like to think of the distinctions between Shayla the pink mouse, and someone I don't think I can legally name but who was hinted at before and has a Z in their name. Shayla may be flat-chested but presents herself in openly adult ways and represents that aforementioned demographic of women who have small or nonexistent breasts. The legally unmentioned Z figure, by overwhelming indication, and by having multiple nearly identical characters desperately trying to look normal why always engaging in exaggerated imbalanced size actions, is either demonstrating personal Savile-ness, catering to Jimmy Savile audience members, or both. But since it's largely nonempirical, and since people can lie for profit, you're stuck with patchwork enforcement.

Also, loophole abuse: Ferals muddy the water. Their chronological and mental ages are wildly at odds and basically you have only "adult body passing" to go by.

Nopast

4 years, 8 months ago

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Ignorance is bliss as they say~

yellowpower

4 years, 8 months ago

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Inkbunny itself is corrupted by cub AND pedo content and you can't say anything about it because there's money donors which run this thing.

TroutViper

4 years, 8 months ago

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@ yellowpower

I mean, I'm adding to the cub corruption by posting the things I post, aren't I? XD

~Vicky

Weiss

4 years, 8 months ago

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@ yellowpower

Considering the fact that Inkbunny doesn't allow humans i don't see this "pedo content" that you speak of

ShanetheFreestyler

4 years, 8 months ago

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Another reason why I do a quadruple facepalm at these waves of anti-cub crusades.

Hell, anime and manga are guilty of a similar thing. Take La Brava from My Hero Academia for example; she's 3'6" and looks very much like a child, (albeit with boobs), but is stated to be 21! (On the flip side, Gentle Criminal is 32, but looks more like he's in his 50's!)

TroutViper

4 years, 8 months ago

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@ ShanetheFreestyler

Though anime is sometimes the reverse, where you see some girl with huge tits and booty and she's 16. Age is just a number with anime, it seems. XD

~Vicky

ShanetheFreestyler

4 years, 8 months ago

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@ TroutViper

My point exactly!

JDecker

4 years, 8 months ago

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*Especially* when they've drawn cub on ib, that's tagged as cub and looks like cub, before and just want to get twitter followers without backlash

TroutViper

4 years, 8 months ago

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@ JDecker

I can think of at least one example. :P

~Vicky

Allester

4 years, 8 months ago

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Tracer is 10 years old. Ashley is in her 40s. She's quite happy to have her giant Rat ass mounted by the cute fox boy. Nothing Covert there Honey ;p

TroutViper

4 years, 8 months ago

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@ Allester

Thank you for not lying to us, dear. XD

~Vicky

OmegaForever

4 years, 8 months ago

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I think it would be fun if someone did a sneaky variant of the disclaimer that's always used in artwork, but instead have it as:

"All characters depicted in this picture aren't 18+". XD

TroutViper

4 years, 8 months ago

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@ OmegaForever

(giggles) I may have to steal that. ;)

~Vicky

LordTronimator

4 years, 8 months ago

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The way I see it, it's fiction. As long as it's not real life, it should be fine. Shouldn't be automatically judged as a pedo for liking or drawing cub art because as long as it remains completely fictional and you have no interest in irl situations like that, it should all be fine. It's stupid. People need to know the difference between reality and fiction.

Weiss

4 years, 8 months ago

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@ LordTronimator

That's the big issue, people don't- For most people cub=pedophilia. Also artists who draw cub/loli/shota content are accused of being pedos yet arttists who draw gore and vore arn't accused of being murderers/cannibals. The double standards is also a huge thing

TroutViper

4 years, 8 months ago

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@ Weiss

Just in general, people are a lot more uptight about sex than violence. I mean, look at movies: You can watch a Saw movie and see a man gruesomely suffer as his guts are melted out with acid, but don't you DARE show a stiff penis. :P

~Vicky

LaCasadeZBA

4 years, 8 months ago

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Covert cubs sounds like the game I play on Twitter - I quietly look at all the cub and kemoshota but I don’t follow accounts or retweet and rarely ever hit like...

TroutViper

4 years, 8 months ago

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@ LaCasadeZBA

I'll follow some accounts, but don't retweet, and hope people are too lazy to sift through all the people I'm watching to see if they're doing anything unclean. :P

~Vicky

LaCasadeZBA

4 years, 8 months ago

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@ TroutViper

I'm a little too paranoid to follow accounts. I follow a hyper shota artist that not a whole lot of people follow and bigger kemono artists that have drawn kemoshota and have gotten away with it, but that's it.

slimshod

4 years, 8 months ago

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100% agreed. Just admit you drew it/like it and move on. People that get so bent out of shape over lines on a screen are something else.

Sabah

4 years, 8 months ago

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Just encountered your profile, lovely stuff! What's surprised me is just how many very high profile artists straight up do cub art and repost it without tags. :v

It's funny how much anger and rage appears over fictional characters sometimes.

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