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I feel like maybe I'm in a minority here...by
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| Added: | 11 years, 11 months ago |
| " | ... someone is being deceived, threatened, or attacked as litmus test for what is generally acceptable behavior? |
| " | I basically divided market practices into what would and wouldn't be considered in line with the Non-Aggression Principle, which is pretty much the benchmark of voluntary human interaction. |
| " | The basic unifying principle behind the 'good' capitalism I mentioned, is that people should not be interfered with for minding their own business. Can you agree with that? |
| " | I'm largely disambiguating terms so that people who aren't familiar with economics realize there are what can be considered ethical and unethical business practices, and that free market isn't about, "whatever the hell you can get away with and make money" |
| " | They just genuinely want to turn a profit satisfying customers instead of exploiting them. In fact, this is the only sustainable business model. Everything else is basically pillaging the economy for a temporary profit. |
| " | For a simple thought experiment, lets assume for a moment that coercive human interaction for economic gain is seen as perfectly appropriate, would you really want to live this way? |
| " | If it is possible for economy to be conducted without coercive interaction, shouldn't we want to achieve that instead? |
| " | You didn't really go into detail. |
| " | Yes, coerciveness is the only way to get to an appropriate goal. |
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To believe that the market will come to senses implys that the market is an intelligent, future aware being. No it's plain stupid since the ppl in it are plain stupid. So of the society does not find a way to create outer coerciveness so "the market" is forced to be more ethical than unethical, who is going to? |
| " | never said that all you had to do was throw some switch. I was simply pointing out that there was a difference. The choice of whether or not to act on these principles is up to your individual discretion. |
| " | The 'good' capitalism has lots of names, but nobody cares, because they just attribute the'bad' capitalism to the name, every time someone makes a new one to distinguish. |
| " | People used to call it "Free Trade" |
| " | I didn't call it ethical or unethical capitalism, because I wanted to encompass not simply ethics, but functionality. |
| " | Like I mentioned before, 'bad' capitalism is unsustainable. |
| " | As bad as things are, there's still a great deal that works out quite well. |
| " | As I believed you mentioned before, people in the US are privileged enough that we can often concern ourselves over high tech gadgets, rather than whether or not we will have food for our next meal. |
| " | Which goal are we talking about? |
| " | I won't argue against there being a lot of ignorant people out there. But did you just say we need coercive practices to prevent coercive practices? |
| " | Some people make the mistake of assuming that the working class are helpless. |
| " | Disorganized, oblivious, and often unmotivated, but when they move together, there really isn't a whole lot that can be done to stop them, and corporations and empires alike know this. |
| " | Why do you think they've tried so hard to convince people they have a voice in the government? |
| " | The criticisms you have about the money system is largely based on the fact that currency in the US is manufactured out of nothing, the value is entirely based on a few monopolies, and only one company is allowed to make it. |
| " | In a true free market, when someone hoards all the dollars, you just do trades in something else. |
| " | Dollars are convenient for an economy, but not entirely necessary, because any portable store of value can be used as currency. |
| " | We have been given so many fish, we never learned to sail. |
| " | Which voids the dollar instantly. Not going to happen. |
| " | You really think politicians are unbribable? Oh my ... They also follow the course of self-interest like everyone else. |
| " | Firstly i live in germany, secondly it's like this everywhere else. US has no patent on that. |
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Free trade is globalization but has nothing to do with capitalism. You mix something up here. Or would you say north korea is capitalistic because they trade their goods to capitalistic countries? |
| " | Capitalism itself is unsustainable. It will always end like this. Capitalism has itself proven to not be foolproof. |
| " | You want all the things that I want, but you don't think there's anyway to achieve them without sacrificing everything you want. |
| " | 'Can we have an ethical world? Not without violating those ethics.' |
| " | 'Can we have prosperity? Not without making prosperity a crime.' |
| " | Has it ever occurred to you that their was abundance and prosperity in the US before it's rapid expansionist era? And that some of the same factors which contributed to that, might be unrelated to the exploitation others, and traces of it might still be around in parts of our economy? |
| " | Yeah, by that point it's probably too late, but I'm hoping people realize the power they have before they lose it. |
| " | Once more, you seem to be lumping the good and the bad together, unless what you're saying is, "You should never treat people with decency because they might murder you in your sleep." |
| " | Where? Once more, are you referring to all the Capitalisms, or specifically the whole deal about letting people mind their own business? I'm not sure you're getting the point. |
| " | You make propsperity sound like its only achievable if you have monies monies monies. |
| " | Guns don't protect from tornados though, seems as some ppl keep forgetting this. |
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Yes i am referring to "all" capitalisms, no exceptions. You also make it sound like only with capitalism ppl can mind their own business. |
| " | I'd say use rationalism and methodologies of science and get rid of the parts that won't work. |
| " | Accept that the system has failed, move on! |
| " | If someone attacks you, or threatens you, you can defend yourself. |
| " | How to you expect to run any kind of economy without a medium of exchange? I suppose barter would be possible, but it might get complicated and impractical. |
| " | Because what's good in capitalism is basically where capitalism coincides with NAP. NAP is not exclusive to any political philosophy. And I believe I already pointed out that I believe this is more important than what economic policy you attribute it to. You can be living in a tribal community and still practice the NAP. |
| " | From what I've seen, the parts that don't work are when you start throwing coercion into the mix. |
| " | But I'm open to some thorough testing if someone has the resources to run an experiment. |
| " | Many systems failed. But which ones? At any point in US history, there have been probably dozens of systems in place. |
| " | No no, it's empirical proven that this system is fucked up. Sure you can idealize it all you want but reality tells a different story. |
| " | Than we can try to find out if capitalism can be ethical at all. |
| " | Pretty much like the current bailouts are another such blackmail on behalf of the banks and other big corporations. It's what happens if states, administrations, and parliaments are reduced to little more than PR departments for big corporations. That's your "cronyism" and monopolies for you. |
| " | 'Surprised Socialism/Marxism et al isn't synonymous with "Oppression" and "Slavery" in a similar way. |
