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The Psychology of Social Media

I was talking with a friend recently, about young people. 20~ year old creatives that we interact with, or, at least try to. That was the sticking point for both of us, that there's a contingent of these people that seem shallow at first glance, or inattentive, or something. They don't really talk much, they just post their content, then leave. This seems like a personal failing. But on second glance, maybe it isn't them at all. After all, what's the difference between them and us? Time, obviously, but what else?

Twitter.

I hate Twitter. So does my friend. But thinking on it, most younger artists have grown up with it- with the social media landscape in general, for which Twitter is so emblematic. Gallery websites have become less important than these gigantic megahubs wherein everyone congregates- and I do mean everyone, demographically speaking.

What's the big deal? We had online talking places, too. All of us old enough remember the heyday of online forums, or mailing lists if you're even older, used them to communicate. So what's the difference between a Twitter thread and a BBS thread?

Well. A lot, actually. It seems the same, functionally, but the devil is in the details. When you wanted to post on a forum, you had to hit a button that said "Submit Thread." This is loaded terminology. You are stepping up on the soapbox, your expectation frontloaded on yourself to make a space that others will feel like participating in. There is, in effect, the notion of a certain standard to which you'll be held if you're a thread starter, otherwise it'll flame out and you'll be blamed.

Twitter, meanwhile, sells you the idea that you are "posting to your account." This is at once the idea of a very personal space, like a journal or your own living room. It is also a giant lie- you have walked into a studio which is filming you every time you exist in it, and all anyone has to do is tune in. There's nothing private about this arrangement, and yet, when your space is encroached on- when a stranger posts dissent- it feels like a violation. The instinctive retort is to demand they leave the premises. "Get out of my mentions!" you cry. But they're not in your mentions. They're another actor who has walked onto the set of the shared studio that you don't own and have no real control over. There are no moderators for this forum- the only enforcement is an opaque, faceless process staffed by people you will never see, doing a job nobody should have to do. This force, will almost never step in, even when things get really bad.

I'm not blindly nostalgic here. Forums were often terrible as well- they were a distillation of the most toxic elements of a given interest who would slowly drive everyone else out through increasingly strict rules-lawyering. But. You could very well call them on their bullshit. They were a known element to you. You would say, "Look, Reggie, you do this every week." Really cut to the core, and either they'd accept that or not. But on Twitter there's a new Reggie every five feet. The attraction of Twitter- that everyone is on it- is also its greatest drawback. A forum can offer only so many bad actors who would bother to register for an account, but Twitter is an endless sewer pipe of people who are freshly ready to ruin your day, because that's all they live for. In the land of brevity, the wittiest man is king- but wit is most often at someone else's expense, and thus a system that encourages a biting wit over all else will eventually devolve into a Darwinist nightmare of caustic, disingenuous, Mean Girls style oneupmanship where only the most irony-poisoned and detached may survive.

To make things even worse, somehow, there is an inherent imbalance at play. Social media users want to follow their favorite artists in the same place they can see small clips and memes and jokes and updates from their friends. But as an artist, if you post anything except your art- if you use the platform as it wishes to be used- then you're cluttering up everyone else's dash with things they didn't follow you for. It is a consumer's platform, for which the providers, us, have to carefully curate someone else's feed- which may be simply dumped in the garbage by a completely opaque algorithm the likes of which nobody knows or understands.

Coming back to my original point, I understand now. I get it. I see why and how you would evolve to simply post what you have and leave without engaging- because the biggest platforms of today encourage this, by making it the only way to survive on them. These are not personal failings. They are learned behaviors.
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Added: 4 years, 8 months ago
 
Corney
4 years, 8 months ago
Wise words, there's something to think about! What do you think would be best solution to that problem?
Jeffron
4 years, 8 months ago
These places are a sewer dump. I never got one, and I sure as hell don't want one. The biggest problem I have with places like these is how political things get. Indeed the toxcicity of places like twitter is just gross all around.

I agree with you to the highest extent. Sadly other artists have moved on there, which is a shame to be honest.
MickJagger
4 years, 8 months ago
GODDAMNIT NORITHICS

Always making interesting journals at all the right times! HOW DO YOU DO IT?

I like the new icon by the way!
AlexanderHightail
4 years, 8 months ago
... I've never really liked social media; I'm not a people person. Just let me post my stuff for me n a few others and we're golden.
DarkBlue666
4 years, 8 months ago
Or as I like to say: Twitter is a massive shitshow.
RikMcCloud
4 years, 8 months ago
I wish I could favourite a journal because this is absolutely true. These sites have allowed more bubbles to form. Little echo chambers where you can surround yourself with like-minded people. This is what has lead to the call out culture and the growth of artists beware.

I ran a poll to ask the people who followed me if I should post my creative work on my main account or start a new one. My thoughts behind it were to have a professional place for my art and my own personal account. The overwhelming majority wanted me to keep posting stuff on my main. I have been thinking why that is. Along with the effort of having to follow a new account, people do appreciate seeing the artwork/photography and videos I post on there. I suppose it's a different way of showing the highlights from my life. For example someone would post a fursuit photo or something about a holiday they have been on or a charity event they have volunteered at.

What is different is the obsession with follower counts and views. It was always interesting to see on art websites but I get a lot more traffic on Twitter than I ever did on DeviantArt, FurAffinity or here. These people don't want to reveal too much about themselves or else it could incite a hate mob and effect their status. People want to know you but you don't want them to know you because of a fear of your words being weaponised against you. Art sites do not allow people to do this. Twitter and others don't. This has without doubt effected me. However you could also say this of celebrities and the media. The lenses of the paparazzi trying to get them doing things they don't want people to see. Only now, we are the ones with the cameras.

The positives still outweigh the negatives. If a timeline of posts is getting me down, I log off and go outside. People are binging too much on it. We need to be aware of how much time we spend on it, the amount of time we spend arguing with someone over something trivial when we could be doing something more constructive. But such is the way of human nature.
Khzhak
4 years, 8 months ago
I don't read everything in my feed.  I read my feed until I get bored with it, then I scroll through who I'm following, if I don't have a tab open for their page already, and I look at just their content for the past day or two.  Repeat with whoever else I feel like looking at that day.  Friends, then people I just met on vacation, then maybe a page or three I haven't looked at in a month, then once I finish all those, then I look t my notifications.  Follow up on those, check everything else to make sure I didn't miss something obvious, then move on to something else.
LoZeed
4 years, 8 months ago
Twitter brings out everyone's inner shouting idiot, also it can be a bit of a pain to browse and it's a bit too easy to run into crap that's irrelevant to you.
SassyAfterDark
4 years, 8 months ago
Is it bad that when I saw "20~ year olds" I read it as "20-some year olds"?
MaximilianUltimata
4 years, 8 months ago
I have a lot to say on this particular vein of subject, and is actually one that I meant to make a journal about for a while now: the intellectually truncated shit pit that is Twitter and how it negatively affected people's minds, the concept of "staying in your lane" that is enforced by ideologically bankrupt extremists (AKA you are not allowed to talk about anything that your job or social presence isn't about, AKA if you are a janitor you are only allowed talk about janitor things, and you are excluded from this rule only if you belong to a specific, arbitrary caste), and the kinds of people who are... just... intellectually, ideologically blank and take a metric fuckton of energy to deal with because they are just a blank slate of a human being.

When it comes to Twitter, supposedly it was originally designed as some sort of shorthand notification system, but then it was jury rigged or simply adapted by the masses to be the primary and eventually exclusive form of communication, and it... simply fucking wasn't meant to be. It'd be like if you got rid of every orifice in your body - vagina, butt, urethra, mouth, nose, ear, sweat glands, etc - and replaced them all with a single, inferior hole that attempted to function as all of those when it wasn't supposed to be like any of them in the first place. Like an even more emburdened cloaca.

What I don't like is how people now want every other communication system to have the kind of artificial brevity that Twitter has; our literacy rate has dropped through the floor in the past few years when it was already stagnant and below average, and having to read more than a single line of text is starting to make people become exceptionally violent.
Seth65
4 years, 8 months ago
A number of problems Twitter has were also problems with the predecessor that was Tumblr. Both have feeds that put you in a little bubble (but then what site doesn't these days), and said feeds are filled both with reblogged art and memes and video clips etc. Tumblr at least encouraged some interaction with their audience with the ask system, and lacked a character limit for pic descriptions, but it still wasn't that good as an art site, where you just want the art and that's it, none of the fluff. Twitter's worse not only because of the reasons you mentioned, but because it's not just artists using it, it's everyone. Companies and politicians and celebrities and the people that follow them, all that "normie" stuff that you didn't need to deal with too much on Tumblr is now added to the mix, which isn't necessarily a problem so much as just more stuff detracting from the intended art focus.

I don't think all the artists jumped to Twitter from Tumblr just because everyone was there though (though that is part of it, 'cause you still want to follow the artists you yourself like so you might as well go with them). The thing Tumblr and Twitter have that proper gallery sites don't is retweeting/reblogging. Having your consumer base able to effectively advertise for you is huge. Your art doesn't just reach your followers, it can reach their followers, and their follower's followers, etc. Inkbunny or FA or DA can't offer that kind of exposure. So artists focus on Twitter and Tumblr even with all the vitriol that oozes from their many many cracks.
Halo3ForXbox360
4 years, 8 months ago
At least you could easily tag your art on tumblr, and so you could use the tags as a sort of gallery.
Seth65
4 years, 8 months ago
Tumblr is still way better than Twitter in terms of art, if only for the fact that you can easily browse past posts so you can find everything. It's still not ideal though.
blessedwasthechild
4 years, 8 months ago
a very thought provoking journal. I'm glad you wrote it, it helped me understand the media platform I never wanna get, and now I know why I never wanted it x3
PantyRanger
4 years, 8 months ago
Tweeting is a habit I struggle with.
But, I suppose, most of the bigger artists tend to just post art so I often assume . . . mimic most popular?
Kalibran
4 years, 8 months ago
I think the way twitter can filter out the full character of a person is part of why it’s now the core of the Internet hate machine.
SatsumaLord
4 years, 8 months ago
Yeah, despite being a digital artist who makes most of his income online, I don't really use social media all that much; I'll openly admit that a huge part of the reason why I even set up a Twitter account, was so that I could keep better track of a lot of my favorite artists, since they're more likely to post to Twitter than anywhere else (especially after Tumblr imploded in on itself).  ^_^;
graymuzzle
4 years, 8 months ago
I think the problem is more fundamental than that. I think it started with cell phones, and digital culture.
Mind you, I was a cell phone 'early adopter'. Had hard mounted phones in my cars back in the mid 80's; even had a huge bag phone. But, importantly, there were PHONES, not portable data devices.
As a comic creator, I find myself talking to a huge number of people. One thing I find is that twenty somethings are deeply uncomfortable with direct social interaction. Why? I'm guessing because they didn't grow up with it in the way that we did. There were no phones, no video games, no social media, no Twitter, Facebook, Snapchat or any of the others. We talked. Maybe in person, maybe on the phone, but from infancy, we interacted with others. We played games, and did things, not stare into a screen. I have trouble with people who want my IM account. Why? Well, why not TALK to me? I'll accept the drugstore IMing me my prescription is ready, or the dealer telling me my car is done, but when I saw my son wish his wife a happy birthday...on FACEBOOK...I knew that something was wrong.
I just came back from AC. Had a GREAT time; I was busy the whole week. Why? A bunch of my 'virtual' friends were there, and we got to hang out in RL. It was epic! Sunday, we had breakfast for "Tina's story" readers, and again, a wonderful thing- spent almost 2 hours talking comic with people I seldom if ever see. Mind you, I enjoy communicating with these folks on websites and stuff, but RL is SO much better.
The future? I'm afraid it's only getting worse. I was surprised you didn't mention the main Bizarre feature of the Tweet- a 144 character limit. Why would you limit your expression that way? Now, we have a president who runs the world in 144 letter parcels.
Tragic and scary all at the same time.
Norithics
4 years, 8 months ago
People have been doomsaying the destruction of human connection since the invention of books, and frankly I don't buy it. There's nothing inherently bad or wrong about digital means of connection, it's just the form those connections take that makes the basis for how that proceeds. Direct IM chats is how I met my husband, and I had a healthier introduction to my relationship than any of the RL ones my mom had, because in her words, "All you did for years was talk. There was nothing else to get in the way and convince you this was a good idea when it wasn't."

Humans act according to their surroundings. If the system they're in incentivizes being social, they'll be social- if it incentivizes them to be competitive nomads, they'll do that instead.
graymuzzle
4 years, 8 months ago
I disagree. As someone who runs a business, I find young people simply don't have people skills- they have no sense of how to deal with people if there's no screen between them.
Met my wife face to face. Starting our 30th year. And, if things get boring, we can always talk...….
Norithics
4 years, 8 months ago
Yeah I run a business too, what of it? I can take a vertical slice of any demographic and show you people with poor communication skills; what you're experiencing is merely the inability to connect with people younger than you and extrapolating that to be a general deficit on their part- something that has happened and will happen to every single generation. It's not that young folks don't have people skills, it's that they don't have Old People skills.
graymuzzle
4 years, 8 months ago
There are no 'young' or 'old' people skills; just people skills. Maybe they'd be surprised at how enriching it is talking to people who have life experience.
Norithics
4 years, 8 months ago
Any explanation that puts the blame on the kids, eh Seymour Skinner?
graymuzzle
4 years, 8 months ago
(Confused look from someone who spends most of their vacations with twentysomethings)
Norithics
4 years, 8 months ago
So young people have no social skills, but you choose to spend your free time around them? What? You're just being tedious with me now.
graymuzzle
4 years, 8 months ago
" Norithics wrote:
So young people have no social skills, but you choose to spend your free time around them? What? You're just being tedious with me now.

Oh STOP; you're being tedious. Young people have energy, new ideas, and understand the technology that totally confuses me. They're learning things that weren't even things when I was their age. Older people bring different things to the table- experience, and knowledge born out of years of living in the real world. Clearly a lot of the millions who have viewed my work are young people. I enjoy their company, and I love sharing my knowledge and experience. In fact, I just put in to do another Con panel.
That said, if you're out to dinner, traveling cross country, or away at a Con, and you spend all of your time with your face in a phone, then you are missing out on life.
Tynach
4 years, 8 months ago
I think 'people skills' is the wrong term for either you or Norithics to use in this context. The correct term is culture.

The Internet has grown a culture of its own, and it is both more mixed than American culture at large, and has grown many new and original aspects that directly relate to the technology used.

Likewise, each new generation of people grow a culture of their own, one that is distinct from the culture of the previous generation. However, in the past the previous generation usually was the largest source of influence on the next generation, limited to the geopolitical area the new generation grew up in. In essence, local culture raised and formed the culture of the next generation.

That is no longer the case. With the Internet, and especially with people who spend even a majority of their lives on the Internet, it is Internet culture - and the vast sea of cultures which have influenced it, both indirectly through their influence on Internet culture and directly through the Internet's ability to allow people of any culture to experience aspects of any other culture first-hand - that have had the largest influence on the next generation's culture.

This started (to an extent) with the invention and popularity of the telephone. But outside of phone books, you had to already know someone and what their phone number was in order to call and communicate with them. So you already had to know someone who was (for example) French, and know their phone number, to call them while they were in France. And long distance calls were more expensive, so less likely to be performed to begin with.

Now? I can post a comment on a cat video, and 2 seconds later a French person can respond to that comment with their own comment, even if I never met them before. If they don't know English, they can use a translation service - or if I don't know French, I can use a translation service (if they only post in French). Through this, we can find out that our two languages have some similar but slightly different idiom for relating the humorous situation in the cat video.

And within minutes, I have gained first-hand experience with French culture, without ever having planned to. And this is now just a common, every-day occurrence.

________________________________________________________________________

So, what does this have to do with 'people skills'?

Well, different cultures communicate differently. If you were to visit a remote African tribe, or even another Western country that spoke the same language as your native language, or even maybe just a different region of the same country you're already in, you might find those people not to have 'people skills' either - because their mannerisms and how they expect you to behave, are different than your own mannerisms and expectations for behavior.

In this sense, Norithics is correct: they don't have 'old people skills', and you are failing to recognize the 'people skills' they do have.

But at the same time, 'people skills' in general is an inadequate term to describe the phenomenon being discussed - and even problematic, as it implies it's got anything to do with a 'skill' to begin with. To be fair, it is a legitimate skill to be able to easily communicate across cultural barriers... But that's also a rare skill to have, and not something you should ever just expect someone to be capable of.

Reducing it to 'people skills' (or lack thereof) belittles a rapidly increasing chunk of the population that participates and is part of this new culture, while relieving yourself of responsibility to improve your own ability to communicate with the other culture. This will only lead to unnecessary angst and drama, on both sides.
graymuzzle
4 years, 8 months ago
A couple comments in reply to your thoughtful response.
First, when all is said and done, we live in the real world. Your boss is in RL; so are the customers where you work, your next door neighbor, your class mates at school- all are real people, and, sooner or later you have to deal with them other than electronically. I dare say that however young and tech savvy someone is, most of their interactions in life are NOT virtual ones. Even with as much time as I spend on the internet ( and I spend a LOT of time here) most of my day is dealing with actual people. As much as my job is increasingly 'computerized', the actual work is done in RL. And my clients range from juveniles to pensioners. Anyone who works here needs to be able to relate to whoever walks through the door (or calls, or Emails).
There's a more basic thing going on, however. People treating people with respect. I try to be on a level playing field with who ever it may be that I'm interacting with. I treat younger people respectfully, and I appreciate the same in return. The respect shown to elders in Asian cultures would be nice, but that's not America. However, condescension is seldom the right choice, if working co-operatively is your goal. Plus, employers can pretty much set their own rules for their own workplace, so one had better be in sync with what the boss wants.  
Spooderdoodler
4 years, 6 months ago
Well to give a response to both your long discussion with Nori and this conversation here, since there's a few key things I feel you are missing, and I'm trying to come at this here as a chance to give you an alternative viewpoint/thoughts that may let you educate yourself or approach younger people differently. I'm one of the younger people being referred to here, so try to just think of this from my shoes for a minute.

1) Respect is a two-way street. I find very often, working in retail and customer service, that older people tend to dismiss anyone 25 and under from the get go. I have plenty of friends and coworkers above 30 and 40, and get on well with my professors and lab workers who are in their 50's and 60's.  It's not an issue of lack of people skills, I have aspergers for fucksake. It's that many younger people have gotten exhausted with putting in the effort to interact with people who have zero respect for them right out the gate. Even the people like you, who try to go in with respect and treat younger people fairly, clearly have unconscious biases and things you already have in your head about how this younger person is going to act just from what you've said in here. I think it's worth reexamining these things and how these judgement calls you are making might be hurting your ability to see past them for how young people actually act.

2) Younger people do have people skills, they're just people skills you may not be as in tune with. You cite for example the time spent on the phone as not being "real" or the example of your son wishing his wife happy birthday on facebook. Did it not cross your mind that perhaps they did both? It's his wife, they surely got a happy birthday in person for them and had plans for them that were not public. But on facebook, a public platform, he wished his wife a happy birthday to show he cares to anyone watching, and also to let other people know it's his wife's birthday! I deleted my facebook ages ago, but I remember that if I didn't wish my mom a happy birthday on facebook, I would get angry messages from other relatives and her friends saying "Wow, how disrespectful of a son, to not wish his own mother happy birthday!" meanwhile I had made her a gift and taken her out to dinner in real life. The social skills younger people have also involves having to deal with this culture on the internet, to having a public face, an "online" public face, a private face, and an online private face. Many people have  to deal with acting different to stay in the good graces of multiple very different cultures and friend groups. You won't talk to your coworkers or your boss the same way you talk to your friends, and you won't talk with people you've never met in "real life" online the same way you talk to the friends who live in your town. Most people I know online would love to meetup in person, no young person thinks that online interaction is superior, they all love to meet their friends in person. I've never talked to a single person who felt otherwise.

3) Lastly, you believe that people in public on their phone are missing out on life, but fail to consider that maybe they are in fact talking with friends, telling family about what they are doing, or making plans to meet up with other people at the convention or wherever they are. Most often when I'm on my phone in public it is either to distract me from a place I do not wish to be at, like public transit or waiting in line, or it is to interact with people who currently aren't with me. Everyone is busy these days, most young people are working two jobs or full time and going to school. Interacting online fills the gap between infrequent in person meet ups. It's not a substitute, but it beats only seeing your friend once or twice a month or less. Most people my age also hate twitter and the short, limited format of messages on it. A lot of us hate social media but use it begrudgingly to interact with friends, family, and others. Thank you.
graymuzzle
4 years, 6 months ago
For starters, you get the award for longest post EVER!

I appreciate your thoughtful response. In the end, we continue to have differences. It's not about that; it's about living happily and peacefully alongside one another. A few thoughts:

One difference between younger and older people is experience and perspective. I was born just after WWII, where most of the folks were returning veterans. The world was suddenly at peace, and the possibilities were endless. There was this sense that given time and technology, we would create this perfect world...….Of course, that didn't exactly work out. The cold war, and the threat of nuclear war put that to rest. Still, it was a time that anyone who would work hard could succeed, and have a secure future. Then there was the draft, and the Viet Nam war. A lot of people had to grow up fast, and saw a lot of stuff people shouldn't have to see.
Then came the Seventies. We began to see the dark side of the technology boom of the Fifties and Sixties. We started to focus on the environment, and social justice. But, at the same time, unknown to us, the seeds of the great divide, rich,poor, black, white, young, old began. Politicians saw this as an opportunity for exploitation. At the same time, a wave of consolidation and outsourcing began. With the exodus of jobs, new social problems evolved.
In the Eighties, we had the new twin Gods- money and technology. We were all going to be rich, and live in a wonderful new world created by unimaginable technology.
Of course, the utopian dream never materialized, but a new world of incredible technology DID. Let me give you the old person's perspective.
In some regards, we love the new technology. I carried a pager, then in 1984(!) I got this new thing called a 'cellular phone'. Had on ever since. My first one was hard wired to my car, and phone time was over a dollar per minute. Imagine that! Then, in the early Ninties, we discovered the world wide web. The web opened up an incredible window into the larger world.
At the same time we embrace new technology, we also mourn for the world we left behind. It was a simpler, more friendly world then. With new technology came change that happened faster than people could cope with. This turned into unemployment and financial insecurity. And it sowed the seeds of the economic and moral wasteland that is Trumpworld today.
Contrary to popular belief, the generation gap wasn't invented by you. We baby boomers coined it for the social norms that separated the boomers from the WWII generation. That gap was very real, although, with time, we did in fact become more like our parents. You will, too. As I aged, I discovered that my parents knew a lot more than I gave them credit for. Living through war and the great depression WAS a big deal.
It's tough seeing the world marginalize you. I'm at that point where the world is a somewhat alien place. Old people are not mainstream. The technology culture doesn't value experience and wisdom, only technology. It's kind of like how we thought plastics and space travel would change the world. They did, but in many ways the world is very much the same.
We need to accept that the keys have already been passed to a new generation. One that thinks, believes and lives differently than we did. So, try to understand when older people judge you by the standards of the past, we aren't trying to be mean, we're just wired differently. Having children (Gen X) and grandchildren (Millenials) helps.
In the words of Rodney King "Can't we all just get along?"
Peace,
Gray
TheDJTC
4 years, 8 months ago
This is why I like tumblr, I have my diarrhea blog, my art blog, my personal blog, my comic blog, my art inspiration/reference blog. It's easy to make or delete a blog.

Twitter makes that more difficult, I guess cuz it came first and wasn't intended to be a blog or whatever though it did ape reblogging.

The only joy I get from twitter is sharing memes and trolling people that thought my stupid as fuck jokes were serious. Otherwise it's a constant reminder of how common nazis are.
graymuzzle
4 years, 8 months ago
" TheDJTC wrote:
This is why I like tumblr, I have my diarrhea blog, my art blog, my personal blog, my comic blog, my art inspiration/reference blog. It's easy to make or delete a blog.

Twitter makes that more difficult, I guess cuz it came first and wasn't intended to be a blog or whatever though it did ape reblogging.

The only joy I get from twitter is sharing memes and trolling people that thought my stupid as fuck jokes were serious. Otherwise it's a constant reminder of how common nazis are.

A Diarrhea blog? Really?
TheDJTC
4 years, 8 months ago
Literally everyone has a blog dedicated to shitposts, reblogs and rants... or they only have one blog that mixes that with art.
tealpaws
4 years, 8 months ago
i think you've basically nailed it
lCie
4 years, 8 months ago
This is an unfortunate consequence of the acceleration of the advancement of technology.
People feel they need to be able to digest any information they want/need at an ever increasing speed. In order to facilitate this excessive speed, simpler forms of communication are developing. Remember when LOL was new and popular? Now everything needs to be shorthand like that. Game chat in MMOs is a prime example of this. "WTB 10k mats 50g" is short for no less than 10 words.
Anything not related to the exact thing a person is looking for gets ignored or attacked for wasting their time.
NDGogh
4 years, 8 months ago
Well said.
nightwolf134
4 years, 8 months ago
to be honest social media is toxic communities are toxic i am a introvert i rather be by myself rather around people i can't really talk to people because how easily triggered they are even when i comment on something there is always someone trying to lash out a me because i am being honest, social media is more of a knife to my neck rather than a friendly handshake i agree 100% with you.      
maniac626
4 years, 8 months ago
Wise words indeed.
Spooderdoodler
4 years, 6 months ago
You basically summed up why I just quietly slap stuff on twitter and leave, and only use my account to follow people and don't interact at all
FezDBaron
4 years, 6 months ago
very interesting thoughts, i had similar ideas.
PersonaMaltz
4 years, 5 months ago
I've been working on a theory and Twitter is a great microcosm to study, but the 'problem' is bigger then that.  So let me give you the quick and dirty of what I found:

TLDR; The Internet is causing too much 'social density' and we haven't adapted to it yet.

Evidence:
Dunbar's Number (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunbar%27s_number)

Signs of Behavioral Sink (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behavioral_sink)
[CW: Researching John Calhoun's Mouse Utopia Experiment is graphic for animal lovers]

1) Propagation of tribalism
2) Propagation of non-reproducing mentalities
3) Signs of increased mental 'disease'

So basically since we can share knowledge with a wider field of people then ever before, suddenly there is more people like us and we befriend those that are closer to what we agree with... which pushes us further into our echo chamber and away from interacting with people we don't normally associate with which would give us other perspectives and knowledge.

Thus we forget niceties because they aren't necessary and become untrained(or never trained) and generally assume anything said in your circle is true, because hell if you are going to find outside sources, that is hard.  And we are all animals, it's efficient to shy away from anything that takes more energy then necessary and your circle gives you all you need so you trust it to do you right.

Before the internet you had to trust people local to you... whether or not you agreed with them, which gave a bigger variety of discourse and you had to be civil about it cause you depended on them for living.

But now we need to figure out how to both make sure everyone gets variety and ways to make people responsible for the information they pass.

I know this goes a little off topic but yours is a symptom of this bigger issue I think.
billmurray
4 years, 3 months ago
Twitter gamifies what used to be called "sound bites" in old media.  Hot takes, short quips, snipes, etc.  It actively discourages long-form discourse.  Suggestions are given to network in a mostly-insular way with your peers (lest you be "trolling"/"harassing") while external influences are controlled by serving mostly their own (sorta) curated trends.  

The problem isn't Twitter itself necessarily, as I see it, but is a fundamental flaw in the design of this style of social media, one which Twitter maybe just so happened to be the first of. This is why alternatives like Mastodon tend to fall into the same traps (and worse, in some cases, where small cliques can basically make tiny fiefdoms where they have *even less* interaction with heterodox discourse of any merit, with the conceit that it's actually "more open" yet somehow "more safe").

I kinda miss forums.  They may have been little fiefdoms of their own, but they required more nuanced moderation due to the fact the discourse wasn't set at the lowest common denominator by default.  There is some merit to these other platforms, but in the attempt to make money, the big social media companies try everything they can to funnel everyone into their corporate-curated platforms for all aspects of life and keep them there.  For many internet users newer to the internet, these platforms are practically synonymous with the internet itself...

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