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Wolfie66D

So, I made my own font

I made my own font for my comics.
It's not a full 128 charecter Ascii compiant set (for that I have to pay $8 or something) but since I print is block caps for the comic anyway I have what I need for now, Emily and Kim aren't gonna start conversing with Draconians Elfins and Merkips anytime soon... but I would like to have those fonts on standby for the future.

More importantantly, this brings me to my questions-

1) Should I buy a one month subscription, and work on some fonts?
If so would you pitch in a dollar if I made them free for personal use?

2) If I changed the font of the comic... would you notice? Or mind?
Or should I go back and redo the pages so far (we're only 5 pages in, it's not tooo bad)?

Here's an example of how the new font would look
https://inkbunny.net/submissionview.php?id=1422140
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Added: 7 years, 3 months ago
 
ThaPig
7 years, 3 months ago
It looks great. What service you used?

I use an app called typelight to edit fonts for free without having to pay a subscription. What characters do you need to add?
Wolfie66D
7 years, 3 months ago
Never heard of typelight, uhmmm it's called calligraphr and it WAS free when I first found it years back? maybe just one year ago but due to demand they've offered limited service and want people to pay now if they want to get more than 65 charecters.
I only have uppercase, 0-9 and the basic set of punctuation marks (for a comic I don't really need more than that, but lowercase would be nice to have as backup (also you can add italic bold and strike-through variants if you have premium and also I could sort out any dodgy kerning.

Whats the deal with Typelight?
ThaPig
7 years, 3 months ago
I used calligraph to make this font some time ago https://inkbunny.net/submissionview.php?id=1391467

The free version only lets you make a short number of characters but I added more characters later  on typelight: http://download.cnet.com/Type-Light/3000-2316_4-108973...

You can copy and paste characters in typelight so I made two free sets on calligraph (downloaded them without saving the finished font) and put them all together into a single font in typelight.
ThaPig
7 years, 3 months ago
Edited: Apparently the newest versions of typelight that are out there for download install some kind of spyware on the computer. I uploaded my version to Dropbox if you want to download it. I never had a problem with that one but check if with your antivirus just in case.  https://www.dropbox.com/s/ba3i70j4xdydkio/Typelightsetu...
Wolfie66D
7 years, 3 months ago
That sounds complicated, though I am in awe of how you worked that out.
I think you're one smart piggy.

In reply to the second comment, I should try that out, but I have enough issues with spyware on this comp as is. lol
ThaPig
7 years, 3 months ago
Calligraph allows only a limited number of fonts for month... but you could do all the characters you want as two separate templates and save them as separated fonts. If you want I can put them together in my program as a single font you can use.
Wolfie66D
7 years, 3 months ago
I hope there's a youtube totuorial cos I'd be completely clueless how that works....
ThaPig
7 years, 3 months ago
I thought you had already made a font on calligraph.
Wolfie66D
7 years, 3 months ago
Yeah, but I have to export two versions of it right? One with lower case and one with uppercase and then do your trick o combine them somehow which is the part I'm not understanding... I already have a Font with the basics, I wanna make one that's all the letters and symbols (including the British pound cos I sometimes use that) so it's more than just your standard 26 letters and some punctuation, tho if it's only for me I don't really need much more than the standard all capitals and some punctuation, cos a comic standard typeface doesn't use lowercase, however, if I wanted to do bold italic, underline, strikethru or language variants (é ú) etc then I need more than the 65 letter limit, but I don't NEED it. It's just extra wok.
However if you guys wanted to be able to download the font for personal use I'd sooner give you a spiffy full version with bold and italic variants.

But the combining the two fint files into one... that is the part I'm kinda stuck on right now.
Sorry to be confused by something that's probably simple, it's just a new idea so I'm tryingto wrap my brain around that.
ThaPig
7 years, 3 months ago
You make all the characters you need and I can do the combining of all the characters and save it as a single font file.
Wolfie66D
7 years, 3 months ago
So should I send you the two font files? How do we do this?
Snowfirechakat
7 years, 3 months ago
rats I'm not sure it looks really cool  but i say keep the new font
Wolfie66D
7 years, 3 months ago
So go with my personal flava font for the new pages?
Should I go back and edit previous pages?
n5lt
7 years, 3 months ago
Why having a specific own font now? I would only ask it to be easily readable, so what you initially had is alright.
Going deep in details & soon you might end up like me - "hmmm  I think pupils should be on 5 pixels bigger in diameter cause it still looks etc, but won't the character look etc then?  hmm lets do 2 versions & see which one looks better in few days.
 *in a month*
I....  still think they look too small, maybe enlarge on 5 pixels again?   *done*  ummm hold on, it's too much - 3 pixels would be better, but doesn't the nose look a little too big?"

And that's 2 years on developing head of only 1 character so far.  :D         So how do you know the font you created looks alright?   I don't like how certain letters look in it & did you do like 10 versions of font + 20 versions as mix ups of those 10 before you choose the right one?
Wolfie66D
7 years, 3 months ago
Did you check out the font comparison in the link?
Wolfie66D
7 years, 3 months ago
To answer your questions

I have always done my own word art until the Kim/Emily comic, I decided to try and make it a clear digital font for readability, but the idea of using a font that someone else made for comics, despite it being "free for use" still makes me uneasy: it's not something I created myself, and they say Free but how free? If I sell my comic and make millions off it (yeah right) but are you telling me they WON'T want a slice of that pie?
Everyone gets greedy when you start talking about millions, I don't want to feel like I still owe someone- if I can make the font myself, (and now I can) I'd prefer to use my own custom font cos then I can look at my comic and say "100% mine" without that conscience in me going, "apart from the font. And the thing. and that... and you owe this person..." like GREEEEAT now I gotta go round the block and suck everyone's dick cos they drove me to the store so I could buy the pens and the ink for the pages.
I'll have a credits page full of names, despite being "indy" and that's kinda ironic.
n5lt
7 years, 3 months ago
Well, if you go that way, then you might want to change the style you use for eyes on your characters as well, because I see nothing than 100% Sonic the Hedgehog styled eyes there.   That's not good.   :P
Wolfie66D
7 years, 3 months ago
If thats the case Hey arnold should be paying Simpsons for eye shape. That's actually pretty stupid.
You can't copyright an eye shape, otherwise sonic would have to Pay disney for Mickeymouses eye shape, and they don't give credit, even partial.
That's not how it works.
n5lt
7 years, 3 months ago
Well, however you wish it then.  Just remember that being too picky on own work leads to making lots of progress while doing no progress at all in general.
  Another "issue" I'd like to bring is you having same face for various characters I saw you drew.  Either you have a same face syndrome or doing that on purpose to maintain the style.  But then if you remember, all HannaBarbera human characters from various cartoons had same face.   And same face is for human kinds in all CGI movies in recent years.  That's a trap many artists fall in to & can't escape but keep on stamping same faces across everything.  
Wolfie66D
7 years, 3 months ago
Only in about the same way that Simpsons have "same face syndrome" but you're comparing a stylisic choice to a lack of skill and sadly that's not something a lot of artists would respond kindly to.
But for shits and giggles:
http://imgur.com/7ST0Xkx
They're not the same shape
n5lt
7 years, 3 months ago
On yours they are: same eyes (shape, size, position), same head shape, same cheeks, same ears, nearly same noses shapes, same proportions in arranging the face features.    On other your drawings beside Kim+Emily you uploaded I aslo see same "issue".  It's a very unclear border between "stylistic choice" & "unabilty to come up with something different".  
Wolfie66D
7 years, 3 months ago
Yes because humans have this strange thing where some of us have eyes on the tops of our heads, and some dangle off our chins...
If you can't tell- that's sarcasm.
Emily has a more baby-fied face Kim has rounder features, one of the bullies heads is more oval...
obviously you can't seem to tell the difference, even when I showed you a sample image of how none of the hapes of the different charecters faces align... but you're on a roll so far. You'd probably prefer one to have a clearly triangular head and the other to be a square? Phinaes and Ferb more to your liking?
n5lt
7 years, 3 months ago
It's hard to see on that sketch where all 3 character's heads are drawn within one circle & at different angles (that's why you say they don't align).  You maybe think & see them being different, cause you're the creator.  I'm an independent viewer & I see them all looking almost the same  (I even showed your pic to one of my friends & she has the same opinion, so it's not just me).  If in that sketch you could base one character's head on circle while other one's on vertical oval then the difference would be clear between them already at that stage.  
To make it more clear, under "same face" in your case it would be:  
1) same shape & size for eyes & their position.
If you could make eyes of oval shape or make them of different size (smaller?) or place them close or far away from eachother - you would get, say, a bigger/smaller space between eyes, a smaller/bigger forhead & that would make a clearly different character in result.
2) same size/shape of nose & it's position.
If you could, say, lower the nose down a little while eyes & mouth stay untouched, you would get a clearly different character in result.
3) same position of mouth.
If you could lift the mouth a bit while not touching the rest of the face features, you would get a smaller upper lip & bigger chin - again, a clearly different looking character in result.  
Those are just few ways to avoid same face on each character...   not to speek about difference eyes' shape, ears' size/shape, nose's shape, mouth's size, chin's shape, etc etc etc

Hopefully, that helps!  Handling constructive critisizm / advices would make you a better artist if you could analize your work, see wrongs, avoid them in the future & evolve.  If not then you all you will be just: stamping same stuff (face in this case) through time & wanting to fight everyone who throws stuff like this at you.
LaurieVee
7 years, 3 months ago
LOL OK I MADE AN ACCOUNT TO GET IN AT THIS NONSENSE.

Look dude, if people took your advice, we wouldn't have things like The Simpsons, Rick & Morty, Futurama, South Park,  Fairly Odd Parents, Danny Phantom; HELL -- ANIME WOULD BE OUT OF THE QUESTION. Everything wouldn't be "different enough". The fact is: if the show is good NO ONE CARES ABOUT SAME FACE.

If you look over this guy's gallery, you'll see he can adapt to different styles. From Loud House to Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends, to Hey Arnold and even the iconic Looney Tunes. Apparently his personal style bothers you with it's "sameness"? Maybe have a chat with Matt Groening or Butch Hartman about style, I bet they'd love your advice!

Besides which, his example of three different characters bring drawn on top of each other really does the major differences in how they were all drawn.

Emily's face is more rounded while her eyes stay large. Her pupils are much smaller though cause she's bothered by something.
The bully's eyes are narrower, her pupils sharper. Her chin is more chiseled.
Bully #2 has larger pupils and relaxed eyelids to indicate how lax she is about the situation.

What you're calling constructive criticism is actually just a snarky way of saying "I don't like how you draw so change it." When he really shouldn't have to because for all intents and purposes IT'S HIS ART.

But anyway, I'm sure big name cartoon artists like the ones I mentioned would DEFINITELY appreciate your tips. ;) Sure they've already been drawing for pretty much the majority of their lives like Gaz here but a refresher never hurt anyone :P

Be gone troll lol.
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