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by xanthor

Every time I open FA and I look at what's been recently posted,  I see YCH's everywhere.  I don't see them that often here on IB,  but I hardly scroll down to see what's recently been posted anyways.
whats the deal?  does every artist post YCH's regularly instead of doing commissions,  people looking to make a quick buck?

I've thought about doing some YCH's before but I haven't done any yet.
How do you guys feel about YCH's.   I know that it sucks that one person ends up getting the spot and you have to bid for it.   I find it hard enough to rate my commission prices when I am open but I really wouldn't even know how to price myself on a YCH.

Again,  Im in no position to do any right now.  Working 50+ hours a week with one day off.  I find little time to do personal work -_-

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ArionEquus

7 years, 4 months ago

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Adoptables... Adoptables everywhere.

Honestly... I don't mind seeing YCH, or adoptables in moderation... But, when it becomes the only things that a person does. I unwatch them. That crap is really annoying. You are right tho... I hadn't noticed it before. But FA is over run with that garbage for some reason. I've unwatched a dozen or so people in the past month because they just don't submit actual content anymore. Just advertisement submissions for themselves selling art. :/

kinkykeroro

7 years, 4 months ago

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i actually only ever see 1 YCH in the main recent submissions box and maybe 5-7 in my own subscription feed.

but yeah there is alot of YCHs. i believe it's partially due to it being one of the easier ways to make money doing art; you only need the highest bidders' character sheet then you can just draw them in one of the poses

Lex

7 years, 4 months ago

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Auctions are predatory, and for some reason, people have demonstrated that they are willing to pay exponentially more for a YCH than a regular commission. I have no idea why that is, but if they want to break bank for it, then it makes sense to follow the trend. Unfortunately, it mostly produces cancerous garbage since the overwhelming majority of artists are actually trying to look better than they are by drawing over other people's sketches or using shitty bases.

Melchior

7 years, 4 months ago

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YCH is effectively just giving preferential treatment for the wealthy by exploiting the demand of popular artists.

So yeah it is for the most part all about making a quick buck, artists can greatly diminish how much the commissioner has say in the outcome of the YCH when they get to come up with all the details outside the character that's inserted into the picture.

As to why people keep buying into them often with prices that can be over 5 times the artists regular commission prices, I'll never understand.. must be nice to have thousands of dollars to just throw around without consequences?

I'm worried to see what will be the long term effects of this trend.

xanthor

7 years, 4 months ago

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@ Melchior

I agree with you.  there are certain OC's that you see ludicrous amounts of because they have tons of money to toss around.

as far as the trend goes,  I feel like YCH's are a quick way to get around waiting lists to get their character drawn.
If I do ever do a YCH,  I'll make the AB more than reasonable.  while some artist want do it purely for money,  I'm doing it to give people a chance without me having to stress out over opening commission slots and disappointing people when they fill up instantly.

Deepdark

7 years, 4 months ago

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These and adoptables both I hate to see. I can see the appeal on certain artists where the YCH is a lot cheaper than a regular commision from them, but most dont seem to end up that way as one of the previous commentors said. Highest bidders pay over the odd's.

Adoptables are worse though. Draw one lineart. Colour it in twenty different colours. sell sell sell. No talent. No imagination.

KenEldrick

7 years, 4 months ago

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I left FA a long as time ago, everyone on that site became a douche, all they care about is money and not the community. The site always gets ddos'd and they never up the security, one of these days FA will be lost for good.

Streled

7 years, 4 months ago

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Quite frankly, that's a cheap move.

The artist doodles "blank" characters in a specific action/situation and force people to pay(TEN to TWENTY AND UP BUCKS) to have their characters fill the available space... instead, of using said money to commission someone to have their character doing what THEY want...
It's basically a DLC... a skin DLC that you can't do shit with it.

Sth1729

7 years, 4 months ago

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I think the reason for it is because the bidding allows for competition that drives the price way beyond what would be reasonable to ask for a commission while letting the artist pretend to not be inflating their prices well beyond their skill.
Another advantage includes attracting people who might not know exactly what they want to ask for by removing that step. Pretty much always leaves the same 3 or 4 people being drawn unless the artist is crazy popular.

SteelPH

7 years, 4 months ago

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I've done all of two. And that was a few years ago. I don't really do them anymore. I prefer letting my customers having more freedom with what they want from me.

GreenPika

7 years, 4 months ago

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I'm just glad to see artists finding a way to get paid a fair wage for a change.

JaiYiKendra

7 years, 4 months ago

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I haven't bought YCH's very often. I see them and sometimes see a pose that I find really enticing and I want it for my character, only to find that it's already been bid over my budget. But in general I like them because it's kind of a way to see and approve a sketch first, or offer a really exciting idea I hadn't thought of before.
Some artists seem to offer YCH only, and that's a bummer because maybe I'd like to commission them for something different.

Talarath

7 years, 4 months ago

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My problem with YCH's (and why I wont do them anymore) is it seems the artists puts a large amount of time into the "YCH demo" picture and when it's actually done they barely change what they already did to fit the character it's for. So if the YCH demo shows a wolf, and the person picks a dragon character, it's a dragon-wolf.

I'd rather just spend more and wait to get a custom comission than do a YCH

xanthor

7 years, 4 months ago

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@ Talarath

is that really a thing that some people do?
I thought the point was to make YCH positions anonymous so it can be any species unless it's directly stated for a certain species.

Fey

7 years, 4 months ago

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@ xanthor

It often depends on the artist and what they are willing to make out of the whole thing. I have made good experiences as well as bad ones in the past where, as a negative example, the artist pretty much just colored the pre-sketched generic canine character without much change of anatomy to better resemble a vulpine snout, ears and tail.

The good thing for me qith YCHs is that I often lack the ability to really bring a pose in my head to a description in text. It often 'looks' so great when thiking about it, and once getting down to making a description, I already realize that some poses are anatomically impossible or with more than one character involved, one would almost entirely hide the other and their expressions in the imagined pose. It's a curse of being more the descriptive and RP type, where I can, in my fantasy and in texts, always look from all kinds of angles and even through objects to put focus on the actual point of interest.

So facing that, browsing through dozens of YCHs, every now and then there is this one pose or theme that immediately triggers something in me. And then? Then it is basically the same as with looking for artists who offer the classic commissions: I look if I can afford it, check the starting bid, see if there is an autobuy option - and if it's an auction, set a personal limit and give it a try.
Really not much of a difference from commissioning someone from scratch. Popular or/and highly skilled artists sure get many high bidders, but also take a small fortune for non-YCH commissions. So it's always more for those who can afford it. And then you have to be one of the lucky few to be on time in order to snatch an open spot - which is even more difficult if your own time zone is way off from their regular opening hours. Well, that's life. *^.^*

What I don't do though is trying to bid on multiple spots in order to get the whole picture filled with my own character along with friends or those I've always wanted to do a picture with. As that often gets out of hand or you have to live with ending up with/between random characters after all. So if I plan on something like that, I look for YCHs that offer to get the whole thing and not each spot separately.

So all in all, I've gotten into quite a few YCHs in the past and most of the time, it was great fun and spontaneity. I've met some really nice people over ending up with their character or fursona and rarely ever regretted it.

Just my thoughts and experiences.

xanthor

7 years, 4 months ago

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@ Fey

wow, thanks for that detailed explanation.
I have gotten comments referring to multiple character YCH's and the possibility of getting stuck with the opposite gender the bidder is attracted to or just down right awful looking characters.
Also a good point about trying to describe a scene for commission vs seeing something you instantly like. I've had people commission me for a scene in their role plays and most of the time I get so much detail it's hard to conjure up something to represent what their thinking so I feel you there.
As far as hosting the time for bidding, I think it would be best to hold the auction over the weekend for either a 24 or 48 hour time period so "most" people would be available to check in if interested.

Fey

7 years, 4 months ago

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@ xanthor

.. and yet a point that I missed up above: Yes, that gender thing, especially in the naughty YCHs. I came across this in the not so comfortable way when a spot originally declared male got claimed and filled with a shemale character - obviously the buyer talked the artist into it without even asking me, as involved fursona, too.
Something I've been getting careful about as soon as spots aren't gender-fixed, and I since then always make sure to remind the artist when mailing my character details that I bought a 'straight' couple spot, and that 'straight' sex isn't only defined by having a penis and vagina involved somewhere on the bodies ;P

With characters that don't really fit your taste, yes, that is a risk you always have to take. Yet what I have also seen a few times is that artists limit that down to certain species or insistently exclude pokemon, sonic characters or ponies. Still leaves the chance that you end up between a rainbow colored wolf and pink lion with turquoise mane, but .. well, the mentioned risk with such spontaneity when buying a spot in a multi character YCH *^.^*

As for the deadlines or opening hours when artists offer general commission spots, mmh, yeah, it's a bit like when trying to snatch stuff on Ebay. Even if the deadline is on the weekend: When I am not home, forget to check or decide not to stay up late and am outbid, I lose. And I have no right to tell all the U.S. artists to choose more European friendly opening hours for commissions. Yet the other way round, living in Europe gives me the chance to grab a spot when artists from Europe or the Middle East open up .. if they don't get the brilliant idea to make U.S.-friendly hours for opening for commissions *laughs*

Fey

7 years, 4 months ago

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@ xanthor

Considering all the really high-class artists, I've given up on those. I mean, honestly, it's just a picture, and I am not willing to pay half of a month's wage for that. And seeing how quickly their commission spots are claimed by often the same old handful of people, I am tempted to come to the conclusion that those are told when commissions open beforehand and probably don't even have to pay the full price. Really, with some fursonas, calculating the standard commission prices and number of pictures per months .. holy crap, they spend more on commissions than I earn *^.^*
I don't want to sound jealous and sure am not. If they are willing to afford it and have fun, let them.

Personally, I'm always on the lookout for newcomers or not so popular artists as it's not only cheaper, but often faster and with a much more friendly communication. And who knows? Maybe some of those will be the popular ones of tomorrow.
Still kind of happy about my picture from VagabondBastard, back then when they hadn't gone through the roof and teamed up with Nail and MilesDF to give Bernal competition. '

And coming back to YCHs: I've noticed that many of the newcomers start up with those, as it's assumingly easier to take your time and set up a YCH sketch, get all the angles and anatomy right and then put it up for sale. It reduces the timely pressure, compared to just opening commissions and have to deal with the often hard to impossible to draw ideas from customers like me within a reasonable time span *^.^*

Fr0stbit3

7 years, 4 months ago

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@ Fey

I totally agree. I feel like they ONLY do commissions for a select few.

Fr0stbit3

7 years, 4 months ago

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Apparently most people do YCHs now because people are willing to pay 600$ for a drawing that would cost $100 at their normal rate (example).

Its an easy way to make a lot of money

Webster

7 years, 4 months ago

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@ Fr0stbit3

Maybe that means they've been undercharging.

Webster

7 years, 4 months ago

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With a YCH an artist has shown you what they want to draw. They don't much care one way or another of the characters involved, but the content and situation is clearly spelled out, and they know what they're getting into. It's less risk for the artist, more interesting for them to work on, and a client knows what kind of scene they're getting.

The bidding thing is its own thing. Artists do bidding for commission slots, too. And some do flat-rate first-come first-serve YCHs.

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