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Finally, it's over...

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My deal with hentaikey is over, did my best and burned myself  producing lot of stuff, releasing 3 comics at the same time, producing 2 comics in a single month, and taking requests and making raffles,  but the people didn't responded I'm affraid, this doesn't means that VIP, Yuri, and Slavetoon will close anytime soon, they still produce some money after all, but i'll have to explore new options like Patreon, I never did it before because I still think the way patreon works is a little shady ( I knew at the beggingn they forbide mature content, then artist reported they got their paypal banned for using patreon, then suddenly without reason they say paypal is ok for porn,  even if is against paypal TOS... so.. )... maybe work with Patreon sounded good for a regular artist, but something big like palcomix needs a more stable and safe source of income,  just like the deal we had with Hentaikey. I also thought that creating a Patreon will make people migrate from hentaikey to patreon and end killing our deal with HK,  but i don't have to worry about that now since already happened today,

I'll explore patreon, but it's scary really, I don't know for example if I have to make a "palcomix patreon" (openly stating that is palcomix behind this patreon) knowing that the stuff we produce can be controvertial, and i don't mean just lolis,  some stupid companies and countrys think furry is bestiality and since bestiality is a crime, drawing furry porn is forbidden.   (please do not tell me "hey, this artist do it and nothing happened to him") .. I was thinking on create "bbmbbf's patreon" instead, making it less obvious the involment with palcomix. but does will have the same support?..

Scary times ahead, but i'll not surrender. in all these 12 years we never did a step back. but "changes" are not step backs,  "business" are always moving,  and people must react and move where the business are.
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Added: 9 years ago
 
chacumera
9 years ago
Isn't there another cartoon hentai site you can make a deal with?
WAtheAnum
9 years ago
you should think twice about a real "palcomix patreon", they have rules and right now, a wave of copyrights from blizzard and sega is rolling over patreon, which means some people already have to "close" their patreons.
bbmbbf
9 years ago
exactly. that's why I suspect.  making a big "patreon" thing is not convenient for us,  making an artist patreon will be better to keep a low profile...

The other idea that I had is to have something like patreon but without them.. you know, just having like a private email group where people who donate will receive art.. and that's all :P
Bolniska
9 years ago
Estarias dispuesta a saltar sobre mis bolas?
Sharksaint
9 years ago
Create a personal account
AngelCam7
9 years ago
Damn... Since VIP is gonna be D.O.A., it doesn't make sense for me to have the HentaiKey subscription anymore then...

I'm sorry to hear this, man...
bbmbbf
9 years ago
VIP is till important to us, VERY MUCH,  it just will not produce the same  and i'll have to investigate new options.
AngelCam7
9 years ago
Oh... Okay. Well, I'll still lend as much support as I can. :)
Robthe1st
9 years ago
Sorry about your site.. but you can still use Patreon. They're OK to post furry porn.. I think.
bbmbbf
9 years ago
I need to be sure before make any move
Riolumon01
9 years ago
I can vouche for the porn. I have seen multiple people on FA have porn patreons. And if you want to have an example of patreon then here. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8cHAArfoSA
Sheylyra
9 years ago
I can also vouche for that, Fek is making Porn on Patreon, same goes for Draite, Villani, Fennoxo and many more and they are making quite the buck. As a little example, Fek is making 13,208$ a month on patreon and Fennoxo is making 23,728$.
It could be worth it. But i also suggest only making a personal Patreon because of the copyright stuff.


Sheylyra
Riolumon01
9 years ago
Um you replied to me. Reply to bbmbbf. XD
bbmbbf
9 years ago
That's ..wow..
chadevold
9 years ago
there was also breeding season, which was one of top grossing(?) teams on patreon, for a looong time to boot.
they not only had furry content, but also neotiny creatures (loli)
AJDurai
9 years ago
Create a personal Patreon, as bbmbbf is creating comics. Keep the adult stuff hidden to only Patreon supporters. Crop the pictures in a way so that the adult parts are hidden, and if there is any cub, even if they are not cub, but looks like it, post a link off of the Patreon site, like to either Palcomix or to here.
bbmbbf
9 years ago
I saw some artist doesn't upload the art directly to patreon, but they share links instead.. that can works for me too i believe
AJDurai
9 years ago
Yeah, it definitely should work for you.
xephion
9 years ago
it is safer that way but if you do say your characters are over 18 (even if they dont look like it) thyey will not do anything agaisnt your patreon (i have seen many who post it directly for years just saying is over 18 and it seems it work) but yeah it is safer to post out of site
lilraccoon
9 years ago
I would gladly support any Patreon you put up! I think that's a smart way to go.
vaston64
9 years ago
Damn that sucks, hopefully you'll make it in the end, I'll pray for your success.
ruink
9 years ago
hmm....
MasterMochiKun
9 years ago
How bout you try making a personal account?
DrakeRex
9 years ago
Juro que voy a tratar de apollarlos en cuanto pueda. Acabo de empezar un nuevo trabajo, así que en serio espero poder hacer algo por todos ustedes
EvilDog
9 years ago
How about having a website and linking Patreon account to their account? if they stop paying on Patreon then their 'gallery' account is locked
this way there is no art that any admin could get upset about
you could even post some teaser art to Patreon so people know new comics are up
ScottySkunk
9 years ago
Patron is fine with porn. Jay naylor does it just fine. So do a bunch of other porn artists. Both human and furry.
ComicToons
9 years ago
Patreon solo acepta tarjetas de crédito, vas  a perder un numero de contribuyentes que pagamos con otras formas de pago...pero bien, todi sea por una estabilidad personal y te sientas bien haciendo tu trabajo n.n
Jakewell729
9 years ago
Dang thats sucks. I hope thing will work out for you.
sonictopfan
9 years ago
You remind me of a guy from a 3 episodes hentai anime I saw long time ago called "Darling" where he had to finish a full boocklet of a porn manga in one month in order to pay the bills, it was one of the best hentai anime's I have seen for it's full of role playing, you should check it out sometime if you could.
CosmoFanBoy
9 years ago
You have a link?
sonictopfan
9 years ago
Not really, I watched it around like 2004, I still have it on my hard drive all 3 episodes but it's not the best quality, I'm sure you can find it though, it's called "Darling".
wafflebob
9 years ago
Patreon has fixed many of it's problems and seems to be a good site to support people, but only if you can lean into it. I've cancelled dozens of subscriptions because the artist promises exclusive content to the subscribers and then, they put out 12 fully colored works to free sites and 4 rough sketches to the paying fans because they don't have time to finish them and they are afraid of alienating their fanbase. I've also seen a number of artists putting their work up on patreon and then releasing it publicly a week later. You need to be able to provide your paying customers with unique quality works to get anywhere on patreon.
Also, I noticed you do comics, have you looked into Slipshine? I don't know how they pay or what their stance is on furries but it's a very old site founded by one of the first webcomic artists online.
bbmbbf
9 years ago
Well. production is not a problem for me, I updated VIP and all the other hentaikey sites for years weekly... heh

Thanks for your words
alfredofroylan
9 years ago
Una lástima, la verdad espero que las cosas vayan mejor sobre todo porque el mercado es muy diferente a lo que había hace algunos años. Ojala pudiera apoyarlos más pero llevo una semana en una batalla épica con mi banco :p
bbmbbf
9 years ago
eres una de las personas que mas nos ha apoyado en el ultimo año.. en serio muchas gracias por estar con nosotros.
Namingway
9 years ago
These days, it seems Patreon itself is OK with adult content, but Paypal still isn't, so the Paypal option is disabled for adult content creators (forcing the use of an actual -- or disposable -- credit card instead).
MPLDAMSK9919
9 years ago
Geez.....hope everything works out for you in the end. Pretty sure that there are some other adult sites out there that you can use to help.
CoconutJoe
9 years ago
eXcito
9 years ago
I'll be a little honest here, I think that your art was more on the quantity side than the quality side with hentaikey.

You have put out some good pieces but a lot of them seemed like you stepped back in quality/anatomy/expressions/lineart/drawing-style etc.
I am sure you were being pushed to produce a LOT of art each month, and that put a lot of stress on you (or your artist team?), so you rushed a lot of pieces.

Hentai subscription sites to me feel outdated too, like pay a fee every month and get very little content that you'll actually enjoy. It's like fast-food hentai, you may enjoy it but you know it wasn't that great in the end.
Patreon seems more flexible for that idea now.
If Patreon works out, I think it'd be best for you. You can put out as much content as you like and people can pay what they want. You can have different tiers too afaik, for people that pay more for other stuff that make more time to make (comics, animations etc.).
bbmbbf
9 years ago
Well. yeah. palcomix was always fast food, not a gourmet dish ^^ the idea behand that was made from the beggining, I can't compete with quality of japanese artists, but I can mass produce in a relative low price ($75 for a comic page is yet cheaper than most popular artists) ..that's how we filled the site with lot of comics all these years. tho our quality improved a lot late year, i'm really proud of some of the works we did ^^
HeartinaRosebud
9 years ago
Is there a way to take requests?
If so, may I see a two-headed Sonic?
CosmoFanBoy
9 years ago
You stupid freak stop asking people that! No one wants to draw your crap!
angel85
9 years ago
I tried to support one of the sites, but hentaikey asked for uncomfortable amounts of personal information, I would have had to put in a credit card number and other stuff that I wouldn't want to show up on my monthly statements.  If you go patreon based then I would totally support that stuff.
bbmbbf
9 years ago
ermm..  as far I know, they only ask the regular information for subscribe and in your bank account it will appear as "ccbill" (which is the company that process the payments for them).. :P  But still thanks for your words pal :)
Mewtwolover
9 years ago
What will happen to Mobius Unleashed sites?
bbmbbf
9 years ago
those sites are independent thanks god, as long they keep having people's support they will still online
DangerDragon
9 years ago
dude that sucks but yeah with your fan base you should make one. honestly i haven't heard anything that bad about it. its helped people change thier lives for the better.
as for the copyright notices those are BS its fanart, commissions. you're not being paid to draw them. they donate money to see you draw what you want. companies can't do anything about it.
the only problem i see in your future is coming up with rewards.

like for example
2$ get you access to streaming?
10$ get you a sketch
50$ get you a full drawing
stuff like that.
Dakina
9 years ago
Sorry to head that, I hoped your situation would be improve but I guess things just got worse.
PizzaKing64
9 years ago
DAMN! O.o
Alucarddarkking
9 years ago
i have a pair month HK vip but i looking only for Palcomix and co, they pay are not good for only a pair Site they are didnt see and interested are zero.
When you starting by Patreon can you count my support 100% promised! I will pay for that, they i interested.

PS I will get support the MU sites too on Patreon because I havent a creditcard more but i have a Paypal account
ArtistaAF
9 years ago
actually the adult stuff PayPal forbids is the payment for prostitution, not adult material artworks aka pornography.

Also sorry to hear :T
bbmbbf
9 years ago
they don't work with pornsites , if you notice there's no pornsite that allows even donations by paypal
ArtistaAF
9 years ago
Bad Dragon does take Paypal as payment, & they sell those gigantic T-Rex dildos & stuff
CrystalMendrilia
9 years ago
I hope this works out for you though. In all honesty, they were really burning you out and I've been worried. I hope you find another solution and it works out better. ^_^
Simile
9 years ago
I can't support you by patreon, but I will certainly continue comissioning art from you when I have ideas!
Namingway
9 years ago
Speaking of what alu89 said, how much of the monthly HK subscription (which I bet is shared among its various websites) actually ended up in Palcomix's pocket? Because I too have the feeling that Patreon will give a much bigger share of what we pay.
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