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e621 it's kinda meh, i usually just go there for less complicated searches and art from artists not around anymore or quit art (like pokehidden) that still exist there X3 or i go to Furaffinity or here basically for anything else

FubukiKuro

10 years, 3 months ago

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Because most the users are scum and like to steal art?

Xennos

10 years, 3 months ago

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@ FubukiKuro

Well not so much really. But for me that place is like an outlaw space where arts and artist alike are subject to be abuse in one way or another. Its kinda like a gateway for arts to be stolen and a library for trolls to pick there target.

FubukiKuro

10 years, 3 months ago

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Last I saw, barely any of the actual artist even upload it there. Someone is non stop doing that and mostly without the actual artist knowledge. In some ways it is worst than tumblr for trolls and thieves.

RoseLlama

10 years, 3 months ago

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@ FubukiKuro

Unless the artist uploads them there themselves.
Just to point out people who pretend art is theirs from other artists, tend to get caught out pretty quickly. Considering people tend to obsessively fix things to the correct tags etc.
e621 is a catalog of all art, the comments on there are irrelevant, most of the time its brutally honest or brutally trolling, and because its a public forum you are going to get anyone and everyone commenting of things they like or dislike.
But i still don't understand why uploading it yourself is any different.

Xennos

10 years, 3 months ago

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That's actually the real problem there because everyone can post your arts whether you like it or not.... and most of the time it is unnoticed.

e621 is a huge uncontrolled public space where every type of audiences exist. Sometime our arts are likely to draw in unwanted group of audiences. That's what filters here are for really. but there..... we artist have absolutely no power to control anything.

That's the huge "Why" I don't post anything there myself

RoseLlama

10 years, 3 months ago

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But the same filter on INK exist on e621, and when you join INK there are no filters set. And just to note, there a black list for art from artists that cant be posted. You confirm with the staff your identity, then they add you to the list. Any art posted thats confirmed to be yours is tagged for removal. Also telling your watchers to alert the staff of wrongly uploaded art, will get it noticed sooner. There is also a restriction to only let you upload it to e621. (not sure what the process for that is though.)
So if you really don't want your art there consider getting your art blacklisted.

Xennos

10 years, 3 months ago

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sigh* this shouldn't needed to be my problem to begin with......

RoseLlama

10 years, 3 months ago

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The internet is a free place, a place to voice opinions slavered on them from their experiences and culture and parents. Everyone is different, they like and hate so many things. You say it shouldnt be your problem, but the fact is, you ARE having a problem with it. So the only real solution is to find a solution to your problem, or just leave the children to their own devices. If you care enough to have a problem then do something about it, find a way around it. TAKE ACTION!

Xennos

10 years, 3 months ago

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*sigh Internet...... A gift with a curse attached.... XD

RoseLlama

10 years, 3 months ago

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Yea people. :P

AvaBun

10 years, 3 months ago

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amen |3

RobbyBunny

10 years, 3 months ago

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Is it because their over entitled and never fully pleased ? "Too much cum", "Not Enough Cum" "Oh you've ruined it by not giving that character a knot"

e621 is a horrid community anyway, whose users mostly steal art usually for flist.

Xennos

10 years, 3 months ago

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@ RobbyBunny

nah its ok I don't really care about those thing anyways. I never expect everyone to like my works.

But yes that place is where everything there are like begging to be stolen.... XD

RobbyBunny

10 years, 3 months ago

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Well I can speak for a ton of people here and say your is by far some of the best on the site x3

Yeah there is also little recognition for the creator of the work and on the characters included In the pictures, it really sucks.

it's solely for the consumer. XS

SiriusFace

10 years, 3 months ago

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That whole site should be ignored and forgotten. Whatever trolls are saying about your outstanding art needs to be mocked.

p2x909

10 years, 2 months ago

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@ SiriusFace

Although, e621 is the main place for Apple Bloomers works to get uploaded...

Xennos

10 years, 2 months ago

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@ p2x909

which I know nothing about... XD

p2x909

10 years, 2 months ago

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I'd love to get an Apple Bloomers commission from you, but I can't seem to find anything regarding your commissions.

zyfer

10 years, 3 months ago

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But i love e621! it has better furry stuff then easier to find games then rule34! D:

Xennos

10 years, 3 months ago

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@ zyfer

Im happy for you.... but its definitely not for me

DansLittleFurs

10 years, 3 months ago

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I post my stuff there from time to time.
I once had a pic deleted as "Not relevant to site" after being approved.

Potzm

10 years, 3 months ago

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I think it's might be the same reason I stop upload mine to that website too = ="

Pommy

10 years, 3 months ago

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I find that image boards in general are miserable communities. The reason is pretty obvious to me: the content providers and general maintainers of an actual art site are artists, whereas on an image board they can be anybody.

Xennos

10 years, 3 months ago

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@ Pommy

precisely

sasukex125

10 years, 3 months ago

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My main problem with the site is "tag what you see". That is the stupidest concept ever because the artist can come on and say "that character is male/female" but they will be ignored (and even abused) by mods.

Fairhart

10 years, 3 months ago

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@ sasukex125

'Tag what you see' tagging is extremely useful for finding the source and/or artist of a picture that I just saw from anywhere by searching for those tags to see if I can find the picture on that board.

Xennos

10 years, 3 months ago

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problem is.... it was not always "Tag what it was" XD

but true it can be useful in some occasion.

Fairhart

10 years, 3 months ago

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Not sure what you mean "tag what it was".
When picture tags are so easily edited by anyone it can be abused terribly, but I believe most people want to help by tagging things accurately so it's overall better for the picture.

Xennos

10 years, 3 months ago

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Like I said I do agreed that it really can be useful at time. But it wasn't like I have no experience when it was misused.

kevinsano

10 years, 3 months ago

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When people complain about 'tag what you see' that's not what they mean. Regular tagging should already include all of the visible features anyway, so it adds literally nothing towards that end.

The issue with tag what you see is that it deliberately limits the tags which makes it harder to find what you want at times. It should ideally be a guideline for the minimum amount of tags rather than the maximum.

Fairhart

10 years, 3 months ago

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@ kevinsano

Hang on, I still don't understand what exactly "tag what you see" is, >< and how does it deliberately limit the tags? How is "regular tagging" different from "Tag-what-you-see"? I thought tag-what-you-see was more exhaustive in terms of picture content, since that's what I imagined that label described.

kevinsano

10 years, 3 months ago

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What happens in practice is that if an artist draws something that can't be entirely recognized strictly from just the picture you're not allowed to have tags clarifying the content or add additional context that would aid others to find it in a search.

Fairhart

10 years, 3 months ago

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@ kevinsano

Oh, I see, like whether or not it's incest or if the characters aren't actually cubs despite their sizes. That is stupidly limiting.

Xennos

10 years, 3 months ago

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exactly

Xennos

10 years, 3 months ago

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which in many case that lack of vital information *usually found on artist own descriptions* could misinterpreted the whole meaning of their work thx to TWYS only policy. And often time it could ended up badly for artist own reputations.

Fairhart

10 years, 3 months ago

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I understand now, that is a pretty dumb tagging system, then.

ChaoticAsian

10 years, 3 months ago

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I only use it for porn, so no real problems for me ^~^

Xennos

10 years, 3 months ago

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@ ChaoticAsian

well I have to agree that place is actually pretty good for consumers really. But not so goods for providers....lol

ChaoticAsian

10 years, 3 months ago

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https://www.pinterest.com/pin/476677941787204927/

Xennos

10 years, 3 months ago

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@ ChaoticAsian

yah.... I can feel that

LupineAssassin

10 years, 3 months ago

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I stopped uploading there because of trolling and downvoting. fchan and pawsru.org are bastions of drama as well.

IsabelleUrsaga

10 years, 3 months ago

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@ LupineAssassin

The trolling can be solved with a report, but the downvoting... I honestly wish they'd just get rid of the downvote system. Either make it positive votes only, or no votes at all, cuz jeez is the current system abused by assholes.

gnarlybark

10 years, 3 months ago

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the site is hit or miss with me. ive had people upload my stuff and generally hasnt been much of an issue. i think i get more positive comments there then here half the time lol

uploading stuff to the internet is always a risk. im pretty sure theres a do not post list too you can ask the mods of the site to be put on it

Xennos

10 years, 3 months ago

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@ gnarlybark

the comments never was my problem. Im gladly accept all of them even the negative ones. people have their reasons to hate and I do love to know why.

annonymouse

10 years, 3 months ago

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You can have yourself placed on their DNP list (Do No Post) and any of your art posted will quickly be removed.

Xennos

10 years, 3 months ago

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@ annonymouse

thx. im working on that now

CoconutJoe

10 years, 3 months ago

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I fucking love e621, I find that the community on FA and IB are completely incapable of giving negative criticism and you said it yourself you have 0 control over what goes on over there, sub sequentially you get an unfiltered opinion from a wide variety of audiences. Granted there is a large chunk of people who would much rather make wisecracks about peoples work rather then blacklist but too that I say getting unwarranted criticism is part of being an artist!!!

Xennos

10 years, 3 months ago

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@ CoconutJoe

really? so I have to be trolled by random peers to become real artist......hmm..I never knew that. Forgive me I really though the key of improvements are from constructive criticisms...

CoconutJoe

10 years, 3 months ago

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well if we are going to go down the path of reductio ad absurdum then...yes? You are correct the key to improvement is through constructive criticism and I want you to answer me this, when was the last time you received that on inkbunny? e621 is great because of that particular reason. I often feel that because the ib bunny is so hell-bent on creating a friendly image you aren't allowed to give any criticism at all without getting a passive aggressive rewording of "screw you for not liking my work".

Pommy

10 years, 3 months ago

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@ CoconutJoe

If the artist is an asshole in response to criticism, he'll be an asshole on any web site.

Xennos

10 years, 3 months ago

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@ CoconutJoe

nope not here and I don't believe I receive any on e621 yet either.... not even a trolls fortunately. XD But I do receive plenty of those at DA primary account and irl either from my peers nor my clients at the studio.....

You guys here are all missing my point... "I never said anything about problem with comments I received at e621" But the real problems are the fact that I have no control over who post my works and who editing it. And most of the time I do not wish "This Kind" of my arts to be display too publicly. e621 might be so perfect for you in your own reasons which I can respect that actually I kinda totally agree on your point too (*if my arts are not about minor kinking stuffs... XP). But that place is not where I wish this particular type of my works to be shown at uncontrolled.

"There are reasons I never post any of my work there myself..... Because I don't want to" XD

Pommy

10 years, 3 months ago

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On the one hand, it's true that any sufficiently popular creator is going to be receiving a lot of unhelpful criticism from the public.

However, I don't agree with the implication that you should accept this with open arms and do nothing to filter out useless stress in your artistic life. I'm pretty sure he's trolling you.

IsabelleUrsaga

10 years, 3 months ago

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Its kind of a huge thing to the top mods that artists are always treated with the utmost care on E6. If an artist were to mention that they were being abused by a mod to one of the admins, the mod responsible would probably not be a mod for much longer. They value artists alot there.
And as for the tag what you see thing in regards to gender... If the character has a vagina, but is male? Cuntboy tag. Female with dingle? Dickgirl tag. The site requires very precise and thorough tagging as a rule, so images can be found more easily.
The reason behind Tag what you see is simply so that again, people can FIND the art. If you were to tag something with something that isn't relevant to the displayed image, the image would either show up in searches it doesn't really belong in, or would be missed by ones it would otherwise belong in, meaning it would either be ignored, or just straight up missed by users. I will concede that the commenters tend to be dickwads, but being a dickwad to an artist is a super big nono and will easily get them banned if you were to report them for it, thus thinning the herd of dickwads.
Frankly, I think E621 serves an important purpose in the community: Exposure for artists. I've personally found my way to countless artists that I would otherwise have never found thanks to E621, because of their obsessive tagging policies. For artists that live off of commissions, or rely on them for income, this can be a huge boon.
Course, if you just don't want to have to deal with E621 at all, you can request to be put on their Do Not Post list, which is strictly adhered to. Just remember that the admins are always on your side as an artist there (Reasonable exceptions granted for certain situations of course).

Glire

10 years, 3 months ago

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@ IsabelleUrsaga

"	IsabelleUrsaga wrote:
	And as for the tag what you see thing in regards to gender... If the character has a vagina, but is male? Cuntboy tag. Female with dingle? Dickgirl tag. The site requires very precise and thorough tagging as a rule, so images can be found more easily.

I had a rather large debate about this on the e621 forums.

Both 'dickgirl' and 'cuntboy' are offensive terms to many trans people, such as myself, and realistic trans women/DMAB NB folk (i.e. those who have not necessarily undergone transition) are categorized as male. Trans people shouldn't have to tag theirselves as a slur in order to be categorized correctly.

e621's current policy and standards takes an essentialist view of sex and gender and dumps on trans people as a result. And it does not, in fact, require precise and thorough tagging for gender. 'Dickgirl' is not a gender, it's a description of the body of the character. It requires tagging a character as whichever gender stereotype is closest, or tagging as 'male' if you see a flat chest and a penis (despite the fact that the 'penis' tag exists, thus allowing people to filter for that if that's what they want to see).

A herm character viewed from multiple angles may be tagged as male, female, herm, or 'dickgirl' based on what is visible and what is not. That's not theoretical — that's what I was told during the debate, and what I've personally seen with regard to characters on the site. That's the system working as intended. And this is described as precise and thorough?

It's an incoherent, harmful system, and it really needs to change.

KevinSnowpaw

10 years, 3 months ago

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I've never actually posted anything i've commissioned there but alot of it found it's way to the site. I wouldn't MIND this but the MAJORITY of it doesent even have my name on it as a tag XD retarded XD

Imya

10 years, 3 months ago

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I can understand the the opinion but I agree mostly with IsabelleUrsaga.
e621 is by itself not bad. It just has a big community. And big communities with a strong anonymity (like there) will have a lot of trolls as well. (Look at the forums of big games i.e. - there are tons of trolls even though they moderate quite good but this is only because there are even more users.)

Why trolls are posting there? Because they want attention. This is all that trolls want. They want to shock, want attention and want others to recognize them.

I totally disregard such trolls (and the rating of the pictures there as well).

Where are the benefits of posting there yourself?
In my opinion it is to add the links to your page here or on furaffinity. This is what I see a lot and this is also how I find more awesome artist that I then follow on inkbunny or furaffinity.

For me e621 is two things: 1st the fastest, best (and easiest to search) furry art website and 2nd a good way for advertising the own art. Sure there are a lot of trolls but feeding the trolls by giving them what they want (attention) is only getting it worse. Just ignore the trolls.

I rarely comment there (and I think most of the non-trolls do the same) but instead check out the pictures at the website of the artists choice and comment/fave/watch them there. (So the comments are just not there because I prefer to do it on a website where the artist might check more regulary also because most of the time it is not uploaded by the artists.)

In the end it is the artists choice how they approach such websites. But I do not think e621 is bad or god (in regards of comments) but the community there is just this way (like every massive community). The trolls you see are just a friction of the users of the website. They do not make up the community, they are just the loudest part.

I agree with the tips of IsabelleUrsaga to either request to be put on the DNP list from the staff or to utalize the website as a chance to advertise art and get more follower. You do not need to check the votes or the comments there. It does not matter what the trolls there say, just ignore it. But if you get one more follower (and mostly there will be more) from pressing on the link per week, I myself would see it as a win (but then again my art skills are unfortnately too bad to even begin to post something there).

In addition I also agree with advocatecannibalism in a way.
Criticism will always be done. (Like I said ignore just trolling people as they just want attention.)
My experience with Inkbunny or Furaffinity (and such websites) is sugarcoating instead of honest feedback.
I have seen pictures that were not very good being treated like a Picasso in the comments. This is because the community on these websites want to build up the confidence of the artist and not pull them down. It is more a feeling of a family here.

Honest feedback can sometimes be undiplomatic or blunt. Getting it in an unconstructive way can be very frustrating or even hurting. But I think this is something every artist (may this be image art, stage play, music or other arts) needs to accept at one point when he gets more famous. If you look at the newspapers what is written there about actors and other celebrities you will see that trolling is something the media shows us. The boulevard press is very good at trolling and throwing with rocks and dirt. (And their intention is also to be noticed so that people purchase the newspaper and they make money.)

Are trolls bad? Do I dislike the boulevard press and their bent reality and truth? Yes I do.
But the best way to approach it is not giving them the attention and approach them or rant about them. Tick them off in your head and move on. Do the arts (or put your art on there) not for the trolls, not for their comments or their opinion but for all the other fans who then might join your followers on inkbunny.

Xennos

10 years, 3 months ago

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First I never said I have any problems with comments or trolls. I wouldn't have been to this point if I can't really handle harsh criticism. But the point are first..... Editing. That is what I really meant when I said I have no control over and I don't like the way it is now. I'm just sick to keep tracking on my edited works scattered every corner of the Internet.. Second to draw in unwanted set of audiences. This may sound odd but I do not wish to be found so easily.....

Imya

10 years, 3 months ago

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Okay, I understand and respect that.

VoidBat

10 years, 3 months ago

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Your fans love your work. You have to really ask yourself this: Whose opinion matters more? People who spend their days shit talking art regardless of quality or people who are willing to support you in your journals and flood their faves with your art. Your call hon. One of them leads to much better happiness I assure you!

sacrificabominat

10 years, 3 months ago

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Very understandable why you wouldn't post there. There are way too many trolls who will make you feel awful about your art and if your piece gets one down vote after being posted you can kiss any views afterwards goodbye. Though there is a good side. I personally remember watching you through a post on e621, and I'm sure many others have as well, BTW Your art is very highly rated there. The fact that others are posting your work instead of you is a sign of how highly some people regard your art. I've posted most of my work there, but it's always great to see someone else posts it. It's also one of my go to website for finding talented furry artists, and I love finding artists like you through it.

DiegoandFriends

10 years, 3 months ago

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like the nastalgia critic crew said once "dont look at the comments." if not that, dont take them seriously. i post on there sometimes to help with traffic to my pages. it does help, however i do get comments that can be very mean and brutal to some of my work. Hell, when i posted the scooby doo loli piece, it was down voted like 10 times within a hour. Yet it got lots of faves, whats up with that? i would understand if it was a actual critique but most negative comments are just people being asses.

Anyway, i post it for me, not them. if they dont like it they can go somewhere else. cause for every random downvote for stupid reasons like subject matter, i get double the thumbs up. and if i dont, fuck um. i draw for me, my regular commissioners, and my fans. if somone things what i do is wrong or gross, they can eat a big wet bucket of shit cause i dont care. DONT EVER let those without talent or just anyone tell you your work is less then it is when you damn well know its not.

From one artist to another, i love your work. i like the detail, your amazing linework, and a style thats yours and yours alone. you keep doing what you do hun, ans ill make sure and keep watching, faving, and commenting.

kevinsano

10 years, 3 months ago

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I tend to have a bit of a pragmatic view on e621 and similar sites. It's a searchable, tagged and centralized place for people to find you and your work and you don't have to do anything most of the time. Things are sourced whenever possible. I don't usually bother with their communities, so that part isn't even an issue most of the time.

All of the major ones have DNP policies that can be defined by the artists themselves.

Xennos

10 years, 3 months ago

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Well I not considering myself as one of the major *not even close.... XD *.

I kinda agree with you about that...hmm.. Come to think of it. I guess I'll let this one slide for the time being. Though I'll keep a close eye on that site from now on to see how it's develops.

Dirtsky

10 years, 3 months ago

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I'm not sure if you know this but there is a site that is similar to danbooru and e621 (mostly danbooru) but it's all furry. http://wildcritters.ws

As far as I know, there's hardly any bad comments (then again, only a few people actually know the site existence)

Xennos

10 years, 3 months ago

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@ Dirtsky

I don't believe they got any of my arts there.... which is a good thing. XD

MrGhostman

10 years, 3 months ago

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e621 is a weird mixed bag for me to be honest. =T

Xennos

10 years, 3 months ago

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@ MrGhostman

Very true.

Silvador

10 years, 3 months ago

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Good thing I follow you here. ^-^

Xch3l

10 years, 3 months ago

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I kinda want to ask what about e6 but reading the comments gives me an idea. The reason I can think about some users being trolls is that maybe the users have more confidence to speak because, as whatever this might sound, the artist is unlikely to be there (I think I saw you commenting somewhere on the forums) and it's not that users are trolls (fun fact: they're everywhere), it's just that the site is less of a hugbox, as people say. Though, I agree some comments can be harsh but the good news is that you can report them

Also it's not that the users steal artwork. In fact, they are encouraged to ask for permission first. The "posted [time ago] by" on the "Statistics" sidebar is just that "this user posted it". Art theft is actually frowned upon (as you can see here), unlike other people claim the site to be

Xennos

10 years, 3 months ago

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First of... The trolls they are my least concern there as I have a habit to completely forgot about them in very short period.... XD

Secondly about the art thief. Honestly I do not worries about people stole my arts and clam it as themselves. As their are hundreds of eyes watching for me there. But what I do worries is the fact that e621 are much more easily to access to random guest. And 90% of the time I caught someone stole my works elsewhere they all said that they got it from... you guess it "e621".

Oh but the big real problem I had there are the Edits. ** let me copy from my another comment**

"Well good ones are fine by me. But for example... Last week at Derpy there are some dude edited my Scootaloo pic with her belly cut open..... for only 2 days that image existed. I got a huge amount of PMs asking me "why would you allow such horrid editing?", "What the hell Xennos? why did you do that!!"...... The list do go on as their are plenty of ppl out there who wouldn't understand that editing posts are most of the time goes beyond my supervision. And Im just really sick of tracking those stuff all across the internet."

Xch3l

10 years, 3 months ago

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