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I fancied ranting about something but it's too late to talk aloud and I think it works better when it has a cartoon character to go along with it.

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Published: 6 years, 11 months ago
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Thanatos
6 years, 11 months ago
I don't always rant, but when I do, I prefer a cute rant.
IamRy
6 years, 11 months ago
Happiness is there if you want it. What many people don't realize is that they don't want it. These people enjoy feeling down on themselves because they enjoy the pity that others give them. Why? Who knows, everyone has their own reason. Some one little mistake they made, and BAM, suddenly, everything that went wrong was their fault. OR maybe they just like attention. They may feel it's the only way they can get attention that isn't negative, but pity IS negative. This is usually what contributes to the self esteem issues they have and blah blah blah you probably don't care, haha :P

I'm bad at ranting, because I change the subject faster than I can write what was in my head.
RoareyRaccoon
6 years, 11 months ago
It isn't 'there' if you want it. Happiness is a state of mind, it doesn't exist anywhere else, and for a great number of people attaining happiness isn't about simply wanting it. Happiness depends on a combination of circumstances, habits and access to stable social networks in your life. It's not accurate to say people enjoy being miserable, because misery is as such that enjoyment is denied as part of being in that state of mind. It's possible and indeed easy to become accustomed to a negative view of the world and to seek comfort in revelling in ones own misery, but this never goes far enough to make people feel contented. If it were so easy to attain happiness we wouldn't have so many unhappy and miserable people in the world. The fact is, everyone has their own individual needs and when you aren't having those met in your life then you're going to be unhappy. Not everything that contributes to your overall view of life and personal sense of contentment in it is within your control. Sometimes life just shits all over you and when it does it can be extremely difficult to see past it or view it in a constructive way.
IamRy
6 years, 11 months ago
Sometimes all people have to do is lower their standards of life. I understand it's difficult to do when you've become used to the way life is, but being unhappy doesn't change a damn thing. It just makes life even less enjoyable, because on top of not being satisfied with the way life is turning out at any particular point, people generally don't like to be around you when you're not happy. Unless, of course, they're unhappy too, which usually* just leads to both parties feeling even worse.

(*unless hearing others' troubles is a coping mechanism for you, which it can be for some.)
RoareyRaccoon
6 years, 11 months ago
Philosophically, it can help to reduce your own expectations of life, yes. It's said that the origin of anger is when expectations are not met, leading to the feeling that you have been wronged in some way or let down. I think you have a point there, to lower ones expectations would make it easier to attain them. Just as long as those expectations are balanced and appropriate, since a feeling of discontent can also derive from having self-depircatingly low expectations as well as lofty ones that wont be attained.
IamRy
6 years, 11 months ago
Well, yes. My expectations of life are a decent little circle of friends, decent food, a house, electricity, running heated water, house is cooled down in the summer and warmed up in the winter, and internet access. I appreciate all of those things that I have. I also understand that things like a fast computer, high-speed internet, a job, money, and a boyfriend are things that go above my expectations, and I'm very grateful for that. My standards of life used to be higher, and I was miserable because I was too focused on what I didn't have and what I couldn't attain. Eventually, over time, my standards of life slowly lowered until I was, at the very least, content. My life itself improved, and I was pretty happy with it. However, I try my hardest NOT to raise my standards to the life I live, knowing damn well my life could hit a bump in the road for any reason. (ramble ramble life story boo boo crinkle)
NonnyFox
6 years, 11 months ago
For any of us to see our biggest problem all we need to do is just look in the mirror and we see it staring back at us.......our own selves. Ben Franklin put it this way: "Has a man met anyone that troubles him more than himself?"
RoareyRaccoon
6 years, 11 months ago
Well yes it's an obvious statement to make but realising that is only a starting point rather than a solution. You can look in the mirror as much as you like but if you hate the person staring back at you then there's not much that personal reflection is going to do for you.
CLTpup
6 years, 11 months ago
I'm horrified by the fact that I had this exact discussion with a dark room about 3 nights ago
RokukeShiba
6 years, 11 months ago
I think you caps lock is on. :o

Other then that....

It is a cute philosophy. :)
RoareyRaccoon
6 years, 11 months ago
The font doesn't have a lower case.
RJCBlanket
6 years, 11 months ago
This is the best piece of advice that I have ever heard.
DragonMind
6 years, 11 months ago
Your absolutely Right. And the Worst part is if one commits
suicide during an episode they are stuck like that. For we
train our Subconscious and the subconscious survives death.
The SC then becomes the new Conscious full of horrors which
drive the entity back to a new physical body to escape, and
the cycle begins again.
Solution is to look at things from another view point. Each one
of us sees life through a keyhole. If we move to another keyhole
we see something different and so on until we have complete
understanding.
But dwelling on a few aspects of existence "Death for instance"
until sick just may be the only answer that some are looking for,
though not an easy one. Help is Always available to them at all
times if they would just ask.
DragonMind
6 years, 11 months ago
By the way more people should read that
fave.
Vorinclex
6 years, 11 months ago
How, exactly, does the subconscious survive death, when even the smallest amount of damage to a living brain can permanently alter it?
DragonMind
6 years, 11 months ago
The subconscious is a property of the Higher self. All life has three basic states which generates a level of consciousness.
"Super Conscious, Subconscious and the Conscious." Matter generates Consciousness, IE the brain and body. Our astral
body generates Subconsciousness, and our energy body generates Super consciousness. So the parts of us that existed
before birth survives the death of the body.
Recommended reading. (A. R. E. Association for Research and Enlightenment.) Edgar Cayce All his books.
Their is more to Life than what you can perceive with your Five Senses.
The Point being is if One Corrupts ones own subconscious mind, one finds oneself in DEEP SHIT INDEED!
If I may;
"Its not what goes into the mouth that corrupts the spirit, but what comes Out."


God Comfort to All life
RoareyRaccoon
6 years, 11 months ago
I hope you're just taking the piss because that's a complete load of bollocks.
Vorinclex
6 years, 11 months ago
I'm really glad I'm not the only one thinking this.
MrSOCKS
6 years, 11 months ago
I contemplate suicide for the same reason I was so terribly eager to get out of both school and church when I was a teen: an overwhelming dissatisfaction with the world around me, disgust and disappoint at the people around me, the tremendous and unavoidable sensation that I'm not really from here, and of course the foundational desperation that there simply has to be something better than this, somewhere else.
I flat refuse to suffer for the sake of lesser mentalities, inadequate provender and a mediocre existence.
The things that keep me in this world are a mere handful. And their numbers shrink as the years go by...
Vorinclex
6 years, 11 months ago
But a lot of people who contemplate(d) suicide (myself included) don't do so as a result of a lifetime of mental hardship and emotional confusion.  In fact, many of them live very successful, comfortable lives until one or two tragic, life-altering events take place.

These people didn't brood in their rooms for years, telling themselves that their lives suck.  I know I sure didn't.  Suicide, though often very selfish and painful for many, is then seen as a way out, not an inevitable consequence of their own self-loathing or lack of worth.

And let's not forget Arthur Miller's famous Willy Loman, from Death of a Salesman, who had deluded himself into believing that he was the pinnacle of success in the business world.  He committed suicide at the play's conclusion in order to provide for his family in death in a way that he couldn't in life.  Some who contemplate suicide do so in the thought that friends and relatives would be beneficiaries, whether by paying less money on/for them, worrying less, etc.  Those who constantly depend on others for basic needs might consider suicide an option to relieve those who work for their existence.  In this case, suicide is the opposite of selfishness.

I'm not exactly supporting suicide, but I wouldn't be so quick to condemn it as a course of action taken only by those who have trained themselves to think that their lives aren't worth anything.  Those individuals exist, of course, but I seriously doubt that they are the majority.
RoareyRaccoon
6 years, 11 months ago
Well this isn't really about suicide, it's about the sort of thinking you can go through when depressed. Suicide is a much wider issue and quite seperate from depression XP.
Vorinclex
6 years, 11 months ago
Ah, alright then.  I apologize if I seemed out of place.
RoareyRaccoon
6 years, 11 months ago
Well it's not really out of place, discussion is discussion and stuffs, but still I wanted to clarify what the pic is about. I might do something related to suicide as well at some point.
RandyTheFox
6 years, 11 months ago
Oh, I didn't know Roarey that you're such a philosophical person =3 But, I still think you should quit smoking xD

^w^~~
RoareyRaccoon
6 years, 11 months ago
I think you should quit telling me, preferring to ignore the fact that smoking started as a concious decision and formed an addiction, so I have legitimate and personal reasons to smoke. Enjoying it is certainly one factor.
RandyTheFox
6 years, 10 months ago
Hmmm.... no~! =D I will still nag about it ;3

^^~~
Infinityplus1
6 years, 11 months ago
I'm more of a mind that things really do suck, but that's no reason to hate my life.   If something sucks and there's nothing I can do about it, why should it concern me?  Joy derived from a broken existence is still joy.  And if I can enjoy myself while enriching my life and the lives of others, all the better.
DragonMind
6 years, 11 months ago
If you look hard enough, you'll find.
in the mean time their are those
who choose to shine a little light.
Personally; I choose the light.
RoareyRaccoon
6 years, 11 months ago
You choose bullshit, more like XP. If you have to resort to flowery metaphor it's a warning sign that nonsense is present. You can save that stuff for poetry, it doesn't help anything when applied to actually resolving real problems.
DragonMind
6 years, 11 months ago
No bullshit here.
The First step to resolving ANY problem
is to recognize that their IS a problem.
The second step is to Resolve the problem,
what ever that takes, from within or outside
help.
Their are NO quick and easy solutions.
It takes persistent and dedicated effort by
every one of us to make our lives better.
And I think you know that already.
As for "Suicidal Depression" a subject out
of which this dialog was formed, is a result
of hateful and destructive thoughts and Must
Stop before the individual in question can
ever begin to get better. Do you disagree?
We are all Responsible for our own place
in life. But help is always available, if we just
try.
RoareyRaccoon
6 years, 11 months ago
Funny that your defense contained nothing you've actually said previously. You left out all the soul and light references! Recognizing and attempting to solve a problem? Well yes. But that shouldn't be followed with the crap you were coming out with.
RoareyRaccoon
6 years, 11 months ago
Also, you don't have to look hard at all to find meaningless terms like shining a little light, whatever the fuck that actually means. It's the sort of quick-fix claptrap you can find in any new-age turd of a book in any book shop. Huge industries exist propagating this metaphorical advice that lacks in depth and clarity and that financial success isn't a reflection of the potency of the advice and instruction but rather that it is easy to be allured by such things. After all, businesses run on repeat customers, you lose a customer if you find a cure. What is more, to come out with the sort of talk you do requires no study, no qualification and no evidence whatsoever. Even worse, the things you say cannot even have evidence to back them up, because the advice itself is wishy-washy nonsense that means precisely bugger all. You talk of some immortal soul existing apart from the physical body and this is a very primal and instinctive notion derived from a period in human history and understanding that predates rational explanations and scientific enquiry. There is no such thing as a soul or a spirit and even going on the basis that there is one provides no benefit whatever besides the possibility of some mild comfort that could be taken in the idea that you might exist as some cloud of spiritual vapour that drifts off after death. As someone already mentioned earlier, the consequences of brain damage are a testament to the fact that who we are and how we feel is a consequence of brain activity and not some magical essense of life that is required to seperate us living beings from inanimate objects. It's all in the chemistry and biology, not dogmatic fantasy.

Christ, it's been thousands of years of thinking this sort of shite already, when will you notice this and get a grip?
DragonMind
6 years, 11 months ago
You say their is nothing beyond this life and therefor no hope.
I say we exist beyond death and offer hope to all.

I have made a Life Long Study of these matters  and have found
that survival beyond death is irrefutable.
We shall all see who is more accurate in the end.

by the way the earth is not flat either.

Enjoy your art and wish you the best.
RoareyRaccoon
6 years, 11 months ago
The idea that life after death is required for there to be hope is pessimism in the extreme. Your Life Long Study has been wasted, considering the idea of an afterlife is certainly not 'irrefutable'. Whilst you can't provide proof that there is no form of existence whatsoever beyond death, the evidence would dictate that brain death results in the loss of who we are as people. An alternative existence beyond that would still have nothing in common with the conciousness we have in life. Of course, you wont be supplying any evidence, because nobody who comes out with this tossery ever has any.
DragonMind
6 years, 11 months ago
Yes, Without life beyond the physical,
hope would be a mute point. That does
not make me an extreme pessimist.
Many generations of seekers of proof and
hope created the Bible as well as other
written works to pass down what they
have found along these lines. Be it GOD
Universal Consciousness or what ever
the writers choose to call it. A wider scope
of possibilities or open mindedness is
required to move forward in the realms
of higher understanding. Not belligerent
or rude name calling to those who try to
shed a little "light" on the subject.
RoareyRaccoon
6 years, 11 months ago
Hahaha, open-mindedness. Reminds me of a quote: "If you open your mind too much your brain will fall out." There's open-mindedness and then there's gullibility.
DragonMind
6 years, 11 months ago
Yes and in their lies the need for one
to keep their balance along the way.
Gullibility is just a lack of wisdom, which
life is all to happy to supply us all with
in abundance. "Live and Learn" as they
say. Sometimes its painful, sometimes not.
But in the end we All become wise to
an extent.
RoareyRaccoon
6 years, 11 months ago
So you learn through experience. Anything else incredibly wise to add as a result of these Life Long Studies? You'd be surprised at how long people can live without really learning anything, particularly if you keep to what amounts to one book, like the Bible. I've read the Bible twice and there's nothing special in there that I haven't got from somewhere else. There's a lot of terrible shite in there too. I enjoyed reading it, but for the Bible to be useful you have to invent what the text means for yourself, so really it's an excercise in thought that you can do with any text. Everything the Bible asserts that isn't common sense is either morally repugnant in modern society, utterly banal or hilariously stupid and unsubstantiated. Fabrications and wishful thinking under the guise of wisdom is not clever or engaging. Men sitting around centuries ago writing impossible accounts of events that supposedly happened centuries earlier is not a source someone with an ounce of intelligence ought to trust. That is gullibility at its purest.
TheDukeInFluff
6 years, 11 months ago
While you probably mean well... I can't ignore the fact that this kind of " spiritual smart-asserism" shows so much arrogance without any reason, it's almost funny if it wasn't so infuriating.

So yeah, since I have nothing better to do at the moment, a little lesson about reality:

If there was ANYTHING to ANY of the spiritual mumbo jumbo that has been spit into the minds of humankind for thousands of years, it would've been an easy task for the scientific method to determine the degree of its accuracy. To this day, ALL scientific evidence (or better the lack of any evidence whatsoever) screams very loud and very, very clear against all of it.

And no the "but science can't explain everything because some things are beyond scientific understanding" card doesn't work because it is built on a fallacy.
There is nothing "super"natural because everything there is exists inside of nature. There is no outside of it. Even if there were some "gazillionth Dimension" from where some weird godlike creature would reign... if it exists, it exists inside of nature. Only if it was inside a separated bubble of existence that had no connection to our reality whatsoever it could be considered out of "our" nature (I use nature as a synonym for "everything" here). But then its existence would have no meaning for our existence and therefore even debating about it would be just stupid and a waste of time.

Now that we established that everything that could be, had to exist inside of nature, everything that could be also is subject to science. The existence or non-existence of something is a scientific question and therefore can be analysed by the scientific method to gather evidence that support the theory of its existence or not.

And so far no scientist ever found any evidence that would support anything you claimed so far.
That doesn't mean that your idea of how the world "works" is 100% false, it just means that the propability of it being fact is very close to zero.

Believing something "could" be true is something completely different than claiming it to be fact.
Presenting it as fact though is just arrogant, ignorant and far less smart then you think it is, no matter how hard you believe in it.

Not to mention the cruelty and hubris with which you condemn suicide victims to something equivalent to "eternal hell" when you tell people their mind would get "stuck" in this when they die. What kind of person tells this to the people left behind.
"Sorry for your loss, but just so you know, your son will suffer for eternity now because he died in a mindset of suffering."
That sort of thing would make me punch people in the face if said to me.

A depression has nothing to do with a sick "soul". It can have many, many causes. Some because the brain grew into a chemical imbalance that create those feelings, some because circumstances and events made the brain "get used" to an imbalance. Some can be treated with meds, some can be treated by giving the brain enough stimulus to balance itself out (Psychology) and some, as sad as it is can't be treated at all (so far). (Plus whatever I might have forgotten here due to unawareness)

So in conclusion, it's not the will to lend a helping hand that makes me (and Roarey too I guess) "mad" here. That's a nice thing to do, really. It is the unreflected arrogance with which you present a solution/explanation that has nothing to do with reality and even more is cruel and mean in nature.

This is all. XD

P.S.: Damn, I thought I could fill up the 4000 characters limit, but well... I don't feel like typing 400 smilie faces on top of this. :P
DragonMind
6 years, 11 months ago
I NEVER condemned any one,
and I must protest your approach.
If you read my statement, we come
back as an opportunity to reconcile
our errors.
If we don't meet our errors in this life
then they will be met in the next or the
next. No condemnation Expressed or
implied. And I never intended to
infuriate any one with my unwanted
" spiritual smart-asserism"
I leave you both with my sincerest apologies.
TheDukeInFluff
6 years, 11 months ago
*sigh*

I don't doubt that you don't try to condemn anyone counsciously. But with this kind of belief you DO by extension.

I quote: "And the Worst part is if one commits
suicide during an episode they are stuck like that. For we
train our Subconscious and the subconscious survives death.
The SC then becomes the new Conscious full of horrors which
drive the entity back to a new physical body to escape, and
the cycle begins again."

Sorry but if that doesn't sound like an eternity of misery, nothing does.

If you mean it as a cycle of "one-up"s, where we can try the level called life again and again until we get it... why not describing that in the first place... (not that that would be any more realistic)

Besides that notion isn't any nicer either as it practically says: "Some kids are born with a baggage from a past life that will make their life suck." Also a conclusion I'm not too fond of.

Do you realize what I mean?
It's not that I am saying you are not meaning well. Actually I sincerely believe you DO mean well.
But the things you claim, if thought through to the end, conclude in nasty things that are far from well and good.

And I say one should be careful with claims that conclude in nasty things if they have no evidence to back them up.

Let me give you a fitting analogy:

People fuck. Sexually transmitted deseases exist. People can get those deseases when they fuck. People can protect themselfes from acquiring those deseases by using condoms. The Pope tells people to NOT use condoms because his beliefs say it's a sin, while his beliefs are not any more based on reality than the toothfairy or the closet monster I used to be afraid of as a kid.
He is actually believing he is helping people while in fact he makes the lifes of millions miserable with his claim of "truth" in a misguided attempt to help.

Either he didn't think this belief through to the end, which would make him a moron. Or he did think it through, but deemed the consequences less severe than the possible outcome of acting against his belief that has no base in reality whatsoever, which would make him delusional. Or he did think it through and accepts millions suffering and dying just like that, which would make him an asshole. All three not really nice options, yet only one of them spawned of actual malice.

Something to think about...
averageschmoe
6 years, 10 months ago
I was too busy staring at the cartoon character to notice any of the dialogue...d'aww, lookit the fuzzy wittle kitty...*pokes screen*.
bj
bj
6 years, 9 months ago
AGREE
draconicon
6 years, 6 months ago
Hmmm, definitely an interesting realization. And one I might think about a bit.
randomfox
6 years, 3 months ago
I take a scientific approach to my philosophy: everything we think, ever, is just a result of whatever chemical burst in your brain at that particular second. Every moment of happyness isn't the universe shining down on you, it's just dopamine releasing like an air freshener. An air fashioner in your brain. So that's why when I get depressed I don't let it bother me, cuz I know eventually it's gonna wear off, just like the happy does.
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