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So this is a talk about my position on all this drama in the community and my stance on how I'm going to behave going forward. If you give a shit about my thoughts on the matter, here they are, haha. Let me know what you think.

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Published: 1 year, 7 months ago
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Alondite
1 year, 7 months ago
You make great points. I'd enjoy more commentary in this format. Make a Youtube channel and become the Sargon of Akkad of the Furry fandom!

Also:
This video is more relevant than ever https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceS_jkKjIgo
"So what! Be offended; nothing happens! You're an adult, grow up, deal with it!"

Roarey, just know that I'll always be on your side! Wherever, whenever, and even if all should turn against you - My loyalty shall never waver!
Sleepyly
1 year, 7 months ago
Lol yeah, Roar is pretty much furry sargon of akkad without a "this week is stupid".
dossant
1 year, 7 months ago
" Sleepyly wrote:
Lol yeah, Roar is pretty much furry sargon of akkad without a "this week is stupid".
yep.
Kepora
1 year, 7 months ago
Honextly, I wanted to do something like that, but...I just can't put together the same eloquent arguments that him and
Wolfblade
Wolfblade
can. :(
MiloSkunk
1 year, 7 months ago
Such most likely psychopathic individuals don't literally get offended, or shocked, or other, but look for ways to gain attention due to loneliness and boredom.
RoareyRaccoon
1 year, 7 months ago
This isn't about psychopathology, psychopaths have always been a minority problem. Personal integrity and responsibility protects oneself against the predatory nature of psychopaths whenever one meets them. Most psychopaths don't hurt anybody anyway. The problem with focusing on psychopaths to weed them out is that it requires the accurate diagnosis of psychopathology, which the general public, even most clinicians, are not possessed of the ability to identify it, especially without intimate knowledge of and contact with the individual to be diagnosed. Attempting such crude over-arching diagnostics in community life is inherently dangerous and leads to witch hunts, which is exactly what the social justice left does, only they call people nazis instead of psychos. Don't fall into that trap. What this is about is conduct because the basic fact about evil is that the vast majority of evil is committed by people who believe they are doing something good. What is important is the integrity of the system in reducing malice to the greatest extent possible without infringing anyone's personal freedoms. The best way of doing that in a community is to have a shared value of free speech, to stay away from the activity of demonising individual people for what they say and believe instead of what they actually do. That's what I'm promoting here.

Seeing psychopathology everywhere is simply paranoia. And trust me, I do take psychopaths seriously, I lived with one for a couple years. The violent, rapey kind.
MiloSkunk
1 year, 7 months ago
1 psychopath can cause mayhem. Little to no people know how to handle, let alone detect them. However, no need to exclude anyone at all, if true psychopathic behavior itself is restricted to begin with.
Sleepyly
1 year, 7 months ago
Nice audio, pretty much how i feel too, you should do more of this, make a youtube channel or podcast.
matthegamer
1 year, 7 months ago
You have a very nice voice, it fits your raccoon very well. I really have gotten irritated with how moderators are with hiding comments and protecting destructive people who will harass someone and then block them before they get a change to respond.
I'd want to run my own site that forces people to give a reason for why they block. They can pick a common reason from a list or type one out. If it was for something that breaks the site rules then it would get a moderator investigating the situation. I don't understand why no one else that thought about that.
AquariusOtt
1 year, 7 months ago
I suggested that on the f-list forums years ago when I used it. Spoilers: it didn't turn out so well, and I was even accused of forcing a "safe space" on the site. xD
MiloSkunk
1 year, 7 months ago
It is the authorised people's task to take care of abusive individuals. Fighting back on your own is the last thing you want to do.
WhiteWhiskey
1 year, 7 months ago
Pretty solid overall. Honestly, I'll admit to being in that camp of "I just want to chill".

I will also admit your accent caught me by surprise
TenTen
1 year, 7 months ago
His accent caught me by surprise too, I thought he was American for years and now to hear that he is British? Damn. All I can say, is when you state your opinion people will come after you - there is freedom of speech but people do get offended over the littlest of things. Remember if you are notable online, people are watching you, they are watching your each and every move. Specially in this Furry community well from what I noticed.

I don't think people are cowards who block trolls. Why should you have to put up with their bull? Those people have no morals, they don't care about anyone, and they will come at people with the most vilest of words. They even jump to a conclusion without thinking.

You see these people who watch you can hold grudges, I've seen it happen before. There was this artist, I forgot his name Edis? Or something, and this was many years ago. Someone found out who the artist really was and then started blackmailing him. So, you have to be careful who you trust - trust nobody online. They'll stab you in the back. You have to be cold to be kind.
poner41
1 year, 7 months ago
RoareyRaccoon i love your work and your voice. you speck the truth it just suck people are so dishonest with themselves and i listen what you needed to say to the end <3
MiloSkunk
1 year, 7 months ago
Psychopaths aren't dishonest with themselves, they are aware of what they do, while they play everyone for a fool.
AquariusOtt
1 year, 7 months ago
This was a very good discussion, but unfortunately I don't see any immediate solutions to making Inkbunny a more politically-positive environment without removing politics as a whole (which is impossible). Blocking someone isn't going to stop them from trying to slander you as much as possible, and if they have a group to back themselves up to for support they aren't going to quit.

There's not really a way to solve any political controversy, really. I don't necessarily think blocking is the right motive either. Fight with your words, but don't match their tone. If they're within inches of strangling you, keep a calm and level head. As my dad always said, "Give your enemy enough rope to hang himself and leave it up to him."

The recent debate between Ted Cruz and Bernie Sanders proved this point a LOT. While Cruz answered questions with a level head, Sanders kept trying to interrupt and degrade him during his speaking. Meanwhile, Sanders couldn't even answer his own questions without contradicting himself or diverting the question entirely.

I know I'm super passionate about politics as well, but it's come to a point where I don't even like to try to argue anymore. Just state your beliefs (whatever they are) and, if you have to argue, PLEASE keep away from the ad hominem bullshit.
RoareyRaccoon
1 year, 7 months ago
You can't ever get rid of politics from art or community, politics is part of life, part of philosophy, so it is ineradicable from any community. I'm not in favour of keeping arguments and disagreements out, because they're necessary, important and ultimately worthwhile. What I'm against is the constant disparaging of people as individuals instead of addressing arguments themselves and the fact that people will argue with dishonesty. You can't eradicate dishonesty either. All you can do is embody in your own person the qualities and actions that you agree with and promote them. It's then up to others to make up their own minds about how to act.
AquariusOtt
1 year, 7 months ago
Yeah, there was so much to in that hour that I wanted to respond to, but that general basis was what it all came down to.
MiloSkunk
1 year, 7 months ago
Pathological lying is a psychopathic trait.
Taito
1 year, 7 months ago
If Roarey really was a pathological liar like you say, he wouldn't even have made this post int he first place. A psychopath's sole intention; the root of all their thought processes, is to fit in with the crowd. A psychopath prone to pathological lying would lie literally every single time possible if they were asked something because they want to never appear in the wrong as to fit in with the crowd and gain the trust of others. Pathological lying implies being compelled to lying, and that it's habitual, as if the act of lying is irresistible to the person. If Roarey really was a psychopath, he would lie about his views on the world in order to blend in and not be seen as being in the wrong, especially given that he just released an hour long thing expressing opinions that very distinctly separate him from the progressive "norm." A psychopath would most likely have been doing mental gymnastics at this point after making a bold statement like the gender unicorn thing in the first place due to their insecurity of their own self. He likely would have tried to lie about his views from the very beginning as soon as he made that original cartoon everyone gets fired up about. Before using a trump word like "psychopath," or "sociopath," or any other kind of scientific term for the purpose of belittling an argument at every chance you get, you might want to actually do some research into the tendencies and practices of people who actually experience the illnesses you describe.
MiloSkunk
1 year, 7 months ago
I never said, nor meant that.
Taito
1 year, 7 months ago
Man, shit dog I'm sorry. How much more of a fucking dick do I need to be today? I must have been so out of it last night that I assumed and extrapolated a conclusion that wasn't even there. I've never seen your username before, so for some reason I couldn't tell if you were like on his side with all this or just being really passive-aggressive in your wording and looking back I have a feeling it relates to my state of being when I made that comment). When I see people using buzzwords (psychopath/pathological lying), for some reason I automatically associate it with something negative in that they're trying to shut down the argument. I'm sorry I threw you under the bus like that. xP
MiloSkunk
1 year, 7 months ago
I'm glad such definitions are at least finally understood by some people and not just related to ancient movies. I know there are individuals that abuse words, but if something is really unsure, it's better to ask first. If it's a problem person, their reply is usually a giveaway.
Taito
1 year, 7 months ago
Yeah definitely. Or even if they make no response at all and just hide yours from view.
MiloSkunk
1 year, 7 months ago
I have to admit, it's tricky though, since normal people could do that too with an actual psychopath. That's why I silently analyze first when I see people arguing.
MiloSkunk
1 year, 7 months ago
Fighting psychopathy is a pointless battle until death. You can only shield yourself and ask for authorised help, or run.
smblion
1 year, 7 months ago
" AquariusOtt wrote:
The recent debate between Ted Cruz and Bernie Sanders proved this point a LOT. While Cruz answered questions with a level head, Sanders kept trying to interrupt and degrade him during his speaking. Meanwhile, Sanders couldn't even answer his own questions without contradicting himself or diverting the question entirely.


An important thing to keep in mind is who is the source you're listening to.

In your example, Ted Cruz is a man who tried to illegally run for president (only "natural born" citizens are eligible, despite what you may have heard to the contrary, and he does not qualify) and Bernie Sanders is a two-faced puppet who was literally cheated out of the primaries by a corrupt party and then threw all of his support behind the criminals who cheated him and the voters.

These things are "evil". They're not rape or murder, sure, but they're on the scale somewhere, and that needs to be taken under consideration when thinking about the things they say.
MiloSkunk
1 year, 7 months ago
Surely you can recognise which of the two behaviors appears to be severely psychopathic.
smblion
1 year, 7 months ago
" CaracalCaracalCaracal wrote:
Surely you can recognise which of the two behaviors appears to be severely psychopathic.


I'll leave that to the experts. It's enough to know that neither man can be really trusted.
Romulus
1 year, 7 months ago
You're fairly pleasant to listen to, as far as I can tell at least.  I can't say I know too much about all the issues going around in the world, guess I fall inside the general population that just wants to do their own thing and relax.  That being said, I think you make a lot of good points.  Whether you're wrong or right, you have a very lovely way of putting things.  

The way you describe how some types of people are taught to feel bad sort of reminds me of being a moody teenager, 13-17 ish.  I'd just hear all these terrible things about the world, whether I believed them or not, it left me feeling like everything was terrible.  Also, I was a terrible person, at least I think I'd act like one, so I'd go out of my way to try and make other people feel terrible or sorry for me even.  

Of course, I learned that I was being a terrible person eventually, but I do remember being like that.  It's not good for anyone.  I guess that's not entirely relevant to all this, but that's just what it brought to mind.
Enjambre
1 year, 7 months ago
Excellent voice. I didn't even notice I was listening to you for an hour. My favorite point that you brought up, or more of an overarching idea, I guess, is that these are people who are devaluing the term "harmful." They specifically search out things they don't have to look at and become upset because they feel threatened. If you eat something you know you're allergic to, do you make a blog post about how getting sick was the food's fault? Of course not. Yet this is the attitude that many of these people share. Its gotten to the point where I hear about someone getting hurt or harassed or raped and I actually have to double take to make sure its a valid threat. These people don't realize how much harder it is to find actual weapons when you start saying everything is dangerous, how much they hurt the progress that they so fervently say they are trying to push.

Then when people like you tell them exactly what they are doing they get so uncomfortable that they have to stick worse names on you to shift focus off them. "Yeah I might be encouraging child abuse, but Roarey draws little boy dicks and he's a Nazi! At least I'm not a pedophile Nazi!" I commend you for your endless font of patience. Truly Roarey you have set a standard that all of us can live by, a shining example of someone who always stands up to bullies no matter how many of them there are. I really hope that more people follow your example. You're kind of a hero to me.
MiloSkunk
1 year, 7 months ago
Such problem people you mentioned, have psychopathic personality disorder.
MiloSkunk
1 year, 7 months ago
In my opinion, if there was zero tolerance against psychopathic behavior, Inkbunny would possibly be the most peaceful place.
nekkofox
1 year, 7 months ago
I love your voice and I like hearing your thoughts.
TigerLove
1 year, 7 months ago
the only part i don't like is that idea of "women does this" "men does that" "men needs women" type of shits, one reason is i'm gay, another reason is now-a-days because dumbass priviledged girls (there are more and more) uses guys and manipulates guys because they're girls and guys can't think without their stupid dicks and so girls ends up making guys do whatever they want and because they're more and more degenerated assholes it's making everything worse and worse, also that "guys" or "girls" shouldn't have specific roles of what you mentioned, people should just know what they're doing (oh right girls can get pregnant! oh yay! more assholes on earth when there's already too many of them -_-" atleast for now) but other than that, nope, guys doesn't really need girls to tell them to stop being destructive, guys should just learn to be nicer as well, but girls are getting worse than guys anyways in the destructivity every-day type, even though guys are more destructive in a more massive ways (but those usually are mental issued people that becomes terrorists and such shits) but other than those sorts, it's just NOT girls NOT guys that needs one another to know what to do but "people" in general should know

the only reason i may sometimes be or look "destructive" is because not having atleast one good friend or atleast one "friend" at all to go to IRL and all up to this point really depresses me if more people in general were less destructive and could see who the better people are rather than trying to be popular or look cool or such fake shits, it would be better for actual really caring people like me who ends up alone

it just feels people are becoming more and more fake... lying to themselves living in their lies and putting aside those who are true but just because they might look like boring people or just stay in their corners and such, but atleast for me it's because i have trouble and need time to get used to people and i'd rather let the other people do effort to try be my friend or nice with me and make me feel comfortable and it could take a lot of time but it's because i don't wanna end up being abandonned each time -_-" so yea it's hard for some of the people who could care most and they don't need any dumb girls to tell them to be "less destructive" type of shit
MiloSkunk
1 year, 7 months ago
It can be misunderstood what he said, but if you give it a deep thought, you'll get his point.

You seem to have had problems with a lot of psychopatic individuals. The fact that you recognise their abusive behavior is a good start.
TigerLove
1 year, 7 months ago
yea it's people here in general, like i go outside i see clones of people acting this kind of way it's mainly the people who has groups of friends but when alone they aren't the same (so fake people)
MiloSkunk
1 year, 7 months ago
You can trust your gut ~ they have a distinct pattern of behavior. I believe it would be best to find such friends who recognise that and can't be fooled. Very exclusive, I know, but it would be dreamy.

...and they truly are distinct - someone mistook me as if I would see Roarey as one; ~ now, even if at first glance he might have had a damaged public image, I instantly knew that there's this little something (that I have difficulty expressing), which isn't present in him -> and that fact tells you that he actually isn't the bad guy.
TigerLove
1 year, 7 months ago
my mind detects stuff easily so if i don't wanna talk with someone or interact with them or anything, then it's because they have something not pleasant about them, but now on the other way, many people has a wrong mind and ends up taking stuff i might do or say bad until i explain every details x.x (so well like roary on these situations, except i usually talk about less important useless shits to friends in private xD)
MiloSkunk
1 year, 7 months ago
Sounds familiar :3 - but there will always be people who prefer to take things the wrong way; those can't be helped, especially if they start twisting details and contradict everything you say.

Really cutsie wootsie pink nosey by the way! x3
TigerLove
1 year, 7 months ago
no but even people who knows me for few months end up hating me because they take some stuff the wrong way (or overly seriously or shit like that)
MiloSkunk
1 year, 7 months ago
True friends would never do that. Foolish people on the other hand...
moyomongoose
1 year, 7 months ago
One way I like expressing my political and moral views is to integrate them into some of my stories as experiences in the lives of my characters...It is said that a good story does have a good moral to it.
A good example is in my meerkat story, which takes place in rural, Cunene Province, Angola during a time when UNITA rebels waged years of civil war against the country (several morals and issues are addressed through this story).

It is titled;
Zhang, Annika e O Resto da Família de Suricato - Zhang, Annika and the Rest of the Meerkat Family


A good example in particular I am referring to is the part of Chapter 2 that is pages 142 through 151.
Among the issues that are eluded to between pages 142 and 151 are the pro and anti gun issue, and the issue of protecting your family...The issue of compassion for even a deceased enemy is also touched on among those pages.


I don't mind adding that Antifa in the U.S. is beginning to look a lot like UNITA was in Angola.
moyomongoose
1 year, 7 months ago
Another example is in this story, where the anti-gun issue is expressed.


The setting is in the Salem, India area years later (Cheesah Meerkat is an adult by then).
It is on pages 106 / 107 in Chapter 8...It was when Zander Rat was about to receive life altering trauma from Tahary Fossa, Habbar Fossa, Haja Fossa, Cheesah Meerkat, Wasafa Mongoose and Geulo Genet (all six of whom had varying skills in martial arts, with Cheesah being a black belt)...ending up with Zander Rat being in a deep coma;

Geulo jumped down off Zander's car and held the pipe in one paw, repeatedly slamming it down on the hood, WHOP POW THUMP BANG POW BANG WHOP BANG POP WHOOMP THUMP POW. Geulo continued to pound Zander's car hard enough to literally tear up the fiberglass hood as pieces were being ripped out of it onto the ground.
"AHHHH AH-AH! AHHHH AH-AH!", Zander continued freaking out.
If there was ever a time in Zander Rat's life he wished like unholy Hell he had a gun with at least six rounds in it, this was that time. But being from Egypt where guns are outlawed, he never owned one, and probably wouldn't have known how to use one anyway...Having pepper spray might have given Zander a chance to escape, but he didn't even have THAT.
"UH UH UH UH UH UH!", Zander let out, not knowing what to do.
Zander then frantically again opened the driver's door. >WHAM< Cheesah kick slammed the door shut so hard, the window, which was rolled down, shattered as tempered glass granules can be heard falling inside the door.
moyomongoose
1 year, 7 months ago
And this is what Zander Rat had no way of defending himself from;

This is how the boys left him;


This is what Zander Rat had to look forward to when he emerged from his coma 6 months later;
AmberR
1 year, 7 months ago
Trans sex worker here, you're not transphobic
MiloSkunk
1 year, 7 months ago
Most likely everyone knows that (not the secks work xD), even the abusive false accusers. However, constant manipulation and harassment achieved that apparently even he started believing like anyone truly buys what they say and not just for the show.
AmberR
1 year, 7 months ago
well what do you want me to prove then?
MiloSkunk
1 year, 7 months ago
What I meant was: 1. Yes, you are right. 2. Everyone knows this fact, including haters. 3. Haters most likely accuse him in order to gain attention through provocation. 4. Successful provocation results in self defense and the urge to prove not being guilty.

Though there's a grey area whether his haters accuse, or actually slander him by now.

And in my previous comment's last sentence I meant that most likely nobody believes what the haters say (the phobia thing), not even the haters themselves.
AmberR
1 year, 7 months ago
oh yeah we all know people throw slander all the transphobes ,homophobes, islamophobes just to make them less of a person so it gives them right to then abuse them further
MiloSkunk
1 year, 7 months ago
Those severe cases are definitely psychopaths.
It's like the "racist", "sexist", etc. accusations.
Even if somebody falls into the trap and does make a bad remark, most likely the person doesn't hate the group of people, just happens to hate psychopathic abuse coming from one or more psychopaths.
furloverguy84
1 year, 7 months ago
Though it does appear to be some form of defeat to give into these moderators, I can understand and respect your decision to do so. Sadly like you said, you can never be 100% the good guy more or less. Sadly still you can never truly get rid of drama, they'll be assholes which I'm sure will always be stirrers and will open up account after account after getting blocked (hopefully not) to continue to spout out shit about you, though you sound you can take of yourself if you do by doing the same, yeah it's justified, you need to defend yourself, especially if you were minding your own business or just speaking your mind through your art. It might be seen as feeding the fucking trolls, but it's a no win situation, you can't win with them and you certainly as hell can't win with the moderators, so you'll just have to play by their rules and hope for the best. But at least there will be people who will respect you for being fucking honest! ;) People though will have a problem, or will still get the wrong idea from time to time about the politics of your art, but yeah if they're open for a honest, well thought out discussion as to what constitutes good or bad about it, then so be it. If not, hopefully you won't have to deal with them again once you block them? But who knows? In a way you proved to yourself that you were wrong about something, but hopefully this will be a benefit to you, being on this new level of honesty to yourself. :)

Oh and if anyone is interested, here's the author Roarey mentioned. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleksandr_Solzhenitsyn
Taito
1 year, 7 months ago
Shit dog you oughta do a podcast. Your voice is so goddamn beautiful.
JakeDaMaus
1 year, 7 months ago
You should start a YouTube channel to talk there are quite a few furries on YouTube mind you
JakeDaMaus
1 year, 7 months ago
Also thanks I'll probably go to Amazon to buy The Gulag Archipelago, now that I've heard an interesting passage from it. Cheers! :-3
Bitcoon
1 year, 7 months ago
I feel like it's too late for this kind of thing, but then I realize I only feel that way because this is what the outrage culture has conditioned me to feel. I don't think you made your point tactfully enough when you drew that purple unicorn, sure. But I think the response you got was worse than anything you said. I think it's awful that I get a feeling of dread just talking to you because I know these people would think less of me for even daring to engage with you on any level other than fisticuffs.

Just as I'd listen to what you have to say, so too would I listen to, say, Jontron. Richard Spencer. Donald Trump. If I am to engage with them or their beliefs on any level (be it to attack, refute, or even just state my opinion on them) then it is my responsibility to understand them. If the same does not occur with both parties, nothing can be achieved. This is, in my eyes, the fundamental failure that has occurred in our society. The very fabric of why we communicate with one another rests upon a foundation we've chosen to disregard because we think ourselves "above" it all. (IE. "this is not a discussion, because I know I am right and you are wrong. I am only here to inform you of how wrong you are")

Honestly, and I say this to anyone - left or right - if you are not ready to have your mind changed, stop typing comments. Stop chiming in on discussions. You have nothing to fear except the realization that you've gone this far without allowing your views to be challenged and strengthened. Truly try to understand where others are coming from, how they got their information and by what means they came to their conclusions. It won't make you a bigot or a Nazi, even if you're talking to one. It will only make you better at bridging the gap between you and your 'opponent' and fostering an understanding that can go both ways.
Legosi
1 year, 7 months ago
Same here man. I'd talk to anyone as long as they're civil.
Mole
1 year, 7 months ago
"I don't hate trans people.. We just have a disagreement on what constitute an illness" ... You know.. being someone who accept homosexuality..., you could have a bigger view and see being gay used to constitute being mentally ill.  There's an obvious pattern to this shit.. where 2 decades ago it was considered abuse to expose kids that gay people existed.  Are you one of the people who is going to need a transfriend to move towards a better understanding of the situation?  

You have mental illnesses and you don't consider it an insult.. good for you.. but i'm pretty sure enjoying homosexual porn isn't apart of that illness..  Maybe the suicidal rate is a little more complex and it's presumptuous to group them together as a 'trans' problem where there are many factors involved.  Before transgender became a popular issue.. gay people had a high suicidal rate and it used to be considered a disorder. There's a pattern to this.. c'mon.

Further down the line.. you made a cartoon and people attacked you.. Making presumptuous opinions about you.. after you made your opinion about trans people.  It seems like karma to me and there's no winners involved.. I can sympathize with your position on trans.... with me not really considering it a thing.  But there's some nuance in this that justify the pro trans people anger in general.

You didn't mean to sound like someone who has a prejudice against transpeople; you don't mean to attack them.  I can believe that, but you do understand people can hold 'hateful' opinions.  You're literally bitching about how people are holding unfair and 'hateful opinions about you... but you didn't believe opinions can be hateful and you stated that hatred can only come from actions... so I supposed you didn't have the ability to see what you were doing could be interpreted as being hateful.. which made it easier for people to misinterpret you and continue the vicious cycle of hate..

... and for some odd reason when people hold particular incorrect opinions about 'you'...  instead of just being annoyed about it and getting over it... for some odd reason you're concerned about these opinions.. which by definition according to you can't be harmful.  I honesty think you need to reconsider your positions on opinions.. not so you can move towards what I think... but because ultimately you're bitching about people opinions while at the exact same time saying they can't cause harm when you have your opinions about shit.

which initially started because a country decided to teach the 'opinion' as lesson that there is more than 2 genders... but hey.. that opinion equate to child abuses according to a guy who will say opinions can't be harmful.

I'm not totally against you and I think you can be a reasonable person... .but someone like me shouldn't be able to come in and say you're a hypocrite.. because you feel opinions can't be harmful.. but this is all due to you saying teaching an opinion to children is child abuse.
RoareyRaccoon
1 year, 7 months ago
There's a difference between having an opinion about a broad subject and someone telling you, as in you individually, you are a piece of shit or some such. One is general, the other is personal. When there is an individual being targeted directly then you are doing something hateful, you haven't just expressed your opinion about a subject you've approached someone to insult them. Its a false equivalence.

Homosexuality is also a false equivalence to transgenderism. Even when being gay got you vilified in public the suicide rate never approached that of people in the trans community. So clearly there's something going on that is traumatic enough for people to take their own lives. And when you are trans you need medical assistance to transition, you don't need shit if you're gay, that's why I say it is an illness. The impression I'm getting from you is that you're rather desperate to trip me up on something because nothing you've said here to contradict me can stand up to a moments basic scrutiny. I trust I am mistaken?

Edit: After looking at your reply again and reading through it, you've been completely disingenuous on every point. Like teaching little kids their genders are on a spectrum = having an opinion that gender is on a spectrum. No, you aren't that stupid. Go bother someone else, you'll get nothing more out of me. Didn't listen to my fucking recording very well did you?
SilverJackal
1 year, 7 months ago
This is something that you may not wish to hear Roarey, but sometimes the best way to avoid drama is by not starting any. I know you have your opinions on social politics, however sometimes its best to not share some of those opinions. Whenever you post a pic to the site that states your opinionated views, that's basically opening you up for debate; and likely starting a flame war or two. Some people will likely agree with your views, and others will not... especially if they perceive you as getting up on your soapbox and being preachy.

Also at times, some of your opinions do come across as rather... whats a good word to use here... well, attention seeking. It like at times you just run your muzzle and let your opinions fly just to get noticed by others. At best case, it paints you as lonely. At worst... well there is no good term for "drama whore".
RoareyRaccoon
1 year, 7 months ago
I don't 'start drama'. Drama is a participation thing. Imagine nobody at all had responded or reacted to a cartoon of mine, would it be drama then? I express my opinions because that's part of life, my opinions will show in my art and I have no intention of censoring myself to protect other people from things they may disagree with or protect myself from human interaction. If people react to what I do with venom and spite that's a decision they have made, I haven't made it for them. Everybody has agency, is an individual adult who makes their own choices, end of story XP. Of course I'm wanting attention, if I didn't want anybody to see my work and respond to it I wouldn't post anything at all lol. Can you conceive of sharing art and your opinions in a way that ISN'T reaching for attention? That doesn't mean my ONLY motivation is attention seeking, it's not an all or nothing, black and white deal. That's not how life is or people are.
SilverJackal
1 year, 7 months ago
Thing is Roarey, you ARE starting drama. You are deliberately posting opinions that you know full well are hot button issues that will spark drama. You and some others may see it as clever, but others would see it as you being an amoral prick who thinks he is smart. If you dislike the political environment on the site Roarey, then don't add to it. If you have the view there is only two genders, then fine. However don't stare down at others and be condescending if they think there is a broader term to gender. If you don't like drawing cub yiff like you have stated a view times in the past, then draw something else. Don't draw a pic that shows a nude cub and at the same time have that cub chastise the viewer for looking at the pic.
MiloSkunk
1 year, 7 months ago
I need to add to this discussion, since I made a suggestion, but it's so much in a nutshell, it needs to be unwrapped, as it's not clear as-is.

While I'd restrict psychopathic behavior (not only psychopaths can act like that!), it wouldn't affect freedom of speech in a negative way. Of course, it would ask for a completely civilised tone. ~ I know that actual psychopaths would try to lawyer themselves out of even that, but that can be easily detected, and action could be taken against it. Not surprisingly when some challenging users were even warned, they volutarily left the site, as they can't enjoy their abusive ways.

All in all, you can't restrict freedom of speech. It is not your fault if others get abusive with you. However, there needs to be a reminder that if a debate can't come to an agreement, the two parties should stop before it reaches the point where it needlessly escalates.
SilverJackal
1 year, 7 months ago
I agree with you. Its one thing to have your own opinions on things like politics and ethics. However you also need to understand that others have their own opinions on such things, and when certian topics would be best not brought up or brought up at another time due to the nature of the topics themselves. One thing I have noticed when Roarey posts pics that contain his opinions on certian issues, he gives them an air of importance and tries to come across as an intellectual. However when someone responds with a differing opinion that opposes his own, he responds to them in a condescending manner and tries to make them feel stupid for having a different opinion than him. Also when it comes to some of his personal issues, like when he would debate on continuing to draw cub yiff in the past, instead of keeping his inner termoil civil; he tries to make everyone else feel guilty about viewing cub yiff by posting pics that contain chastising messages. It becomes so irritating to some people, that they rejoiced over the pic of Roarey being tied up with tape over his muzzle. To the the pic made them think "finally! Someone shut him up!"
MiloSkunk
1 year, 7 months ago
A given topic may be sensitive, but that doesn't mean that if someone disagrees with it, that person would have to silently tolerate it.

The artwork is needlessly provocative - needlessly, because it was inspired/triggered by most likely the psychopathic games of the media. It's what the media wants to trigger to gain attention that they can make use of.

His responses in some cases may not fairly be very pleasing. I would rather ask what the other one means, if something's not clear. Sure he fought with a lot of challenging individuals, but that doesn't mean everyone is like that.

As for the last part, it's confusing to me, like what was going on, so I'm not getting into that - neither do I want to now please.
All I can say if psychopathic behavior would be restricted, nobody would fight with anyone.
JakeDaMaus
1 year, 7 months ago
It says quite a lot when someone would rather have something not be posted than having the option to look away to spare feelings. It conjures up an ugly word and an even uglier connotation

C E N S O R S H I P

Not eveyone will think like you and you'll come across things that will offend you. The burden falls on you to act like an adult when confronted with adverse opinions. The burden falls on everyone in this fandom to at least be an adult about devisive topics. Why should Roarey supress his opinions because not eveyone will agree with them?
"Within any important issue, there are always aspects no one wishes to discuss" - George Orwell
moousic
1 year, 7 months ago
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AnonymousWolf306
1 year, 7 months ago
Just finished listening.

I think you hit it on the head.

Thank you for making this podcast!
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