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BunnyFoxglove

Artists, are you professional or not?

What I mean is, do you charge money for your services or not?

If you are charging for it, than you are a professional. Start acting like it.

A bunch of professional jobs are "creative" content. That doesn't mean you can just slack off because you feel uninspired. I typically give artists a lot of leeway on the time it takes to produce something because I'm nice and I want you to give the best results possible. However I'm starting to think some people take advantage of this system way too much.

Click here for a humorous example of what I mean.

Now, I'm a programmer, and I currently hate the project I'm working on (true story). Despite what some might think about programming, it's not any less creative than drawing a picture. There's an infinite number of ways to do things, and most of them will work, but when you're motivated you can often do better work.

Now that being said, I can't say to my boss, "I don't feel like working today because I'm uninspired and the code will come out sub-par." I have to drink a hot cup of suck-it-up, and do my job to the best of my ability. If people can't do that, they shouldn't be selling their services.

Once money gets involved, it's no longer just a hobby. It's a job. You need to start treating it as such, or not try to market yourself as an artist. If you worked for a gaming company as an artist doing concept art, and you didn't deliver the pics you were paid to come up with because you were "artblocked" guess what would happen to you? Just because you produce creative content, does not exclude you from producing it in a timely fashion.

From now on, when I commission something it will come with a 45 day turn-around time, or no deal. If I can't ask paypal for a refund because the artist being lazy, that's gonna be a show stopper. I'm not gonna bother posting up a list of people who owe me currently. You know who you are. If I don't hear from some of you that haven't messaged me in months I'm just gonna report you on Artist Beware.

Fuck this shit.
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Added: 5 years, 3 months ago
 
LunatheDusky
5 years, 3 months ago
I know how it is, there is an artist ive been waiting on for almost 2 years to finish a piece I paid good money for......... problem is because they changed their paypal so many times I cant charge back
OOOeyGoooey
5 years, 3 months ago
... thats just sad, i mean real life problems and stuff are something, but not THAT long of them o.o;
LunatheDusky
5 years, 3 months ago
yeah

((problem is they are a really REALLY popular furry))
OOOeyGoooey
5 years, 3 months ago
i have the trouble of this, my art block is anatomy troubles and shit, but i try my hardest to get things done, and not even go anywhere NEAR over a month,

Yes its true some people take advantage of this system, more over to those big time high horse artists, >_>; and then others who think its cool to just slack off, i slack off partly, but only when i do alot in a wekk most my time, be it drawing commishes, or drawing random things X'3

i wanna get more professional tho, like Aoi, hes a god haha-   and speedy as hell, id give to even get it done in a day, a commish or two a day, would be nice haha, or coloring and stuff but im verring into my own feels here so ill stop hah,

but yeah, people shouldnt puposefully procrastinate on thier commish stuff, unless something horribly serious came up inrl, then its partly understandable

Sadly, probably not as understandable to real time businesses like hgih time animators, artists, etc

but also something else, sorry your having trouble with procrastinaty artists, i dun remember if youve gotten alot of commishes from me before, but i hope i wasnt mega slacky and stuff, i had alot on my plate i think too, as far as i remember, you were in my cards, and a silly request back when X3
LunatheDusky
5 years, 3 months ago
as far as for me, I am not PURPOSEFULLY slacky at all.......I draw because I love to draw, and I take commissions and USUALLY get those out ((seriously insults me those people have not posted my art I know im not the best but it would be nice to see people posting my art ive done for them)) that really hits hard on the I-want-to-draw-o-meter ya know?

lately due to that and RL its more time management that is my issue.....but I at least tell my commissioners who is getting what and what the status on their art is
BunnyFoxglove
5 years, 3 months ago
My problem is mostly from the artists who take my money, then I never hear from them again. The ones who actually talk to me, and keep me informed I have a lot more patience for. When they try to play the "ignore it and it'll go away" game, that's when I get pissed off.
LunatheDusky
5 years, 3 months ago
well im not like that :P I don't take money and run........even though I have a backed up que that I am actually working on, I just also don't have the time for streaming.....lots of distractions
ThaPig
5 years, 3 months ago
I have been professional many times in the past.. and it's a pain in the ass.

Some times I was lucky to have pretty open professional jobs, like making comics for magazines and papers which would only require the right format, so I would basically make a comic about whatever the hell I wanted (as long as there was nothing dirty or offensive, of course) and they would publish it.

Then I worked doing cartoons for newspapers which was more or less the same deal, except they would pick the ones they wanted. So I would watch the news every day and make a couple of cartoons about current political issues and fax them to the paper. They would select two a week and publish. That implied I made many more cartoons than they ones would be actually published, but it wasn't that hard since it was single-panel drawings and it didn't imply lots of thinking (someone with half a brain can do politics)

Then I had jobs that were more or less creative, but didn't include much thinking either, as graphic designer for a magazine. I didn't need much creative input, the articles and pictures were provided and all I needed to do was put them in order in the computer. Of course, I only needed to do the magazine once... I had a template done and the things that were the same every month didn't need touching (my boss was the most computer illiterate person in the planet and he had no idea, he was convinced I did the magazine all over again every month... Actually he probably believed I drew the letters by hand or something)

As for real creative jobs, as in doing a comic for someone... I almost never try it. It's just too painful. The first problem is communication. Most clients usually have very little knowledge of art and ask for impossible things. You would no believe how many writers come to artists with scripts that require 10 text balloons in every frame... and 20 frames in every page. And no amount of explanation can make them understand why it's impossible to draw.

Deadlines are also a nightmare. Once I draw a comic strip for a daily paper and I almost go crazy. Even when you have creative freedom it's impossible to come up with a new joke every day. And I had like a week in advance to do the strips... which of course meant I missed the week and I ended up drawing next day strip on the same day and being awake all night squeezing my brain for ideas.

So basically... I hate being professional. I only enjoy drawing things that come from my own mind. Drawing someone else's idea is not fun.
BunnyFoxglove
5 years, 3 months ago
Bottom line is though, you did it. You didn't tell your boss, "Sorry I had art block, I couldn't do it in time." And if you did, you probably would have been fired.
Kuto
5 years, 3 months ago
I don't believe art block can exist mostly because i have to juggle allot in a given day just to get by. Usually I'm able to finish art quickly but i let my customers know in my current position im in means things will come up that may prevent art from being produced as fast as i want it to be.
Toshubi
5 years, 3 months ago
I couldn't agree with you more Bunny! Folks wonder why I don't do commissions or ask for money in exchange for art. This is why. I don't want to take someone's hard earned cash and suddenly get hit with a shit ton of overtime from my job or simply not feel like drawing. If I were to ever start taking commissions I'd only ask for money once I had the rough sketches done and they approved them. THEN I'd ask for half and collect the other half just before delivery.
But for now... I don't do commissions. :)
rosebuster
5 years, 2 months ago
Well, you have a point there. As long as artists use their art as a source of income, they'd better put effort in their work. I actually wonder why so many people here actually turned it into a job instead of simply drawing things they like and gifts for friends. Sounds like a good hobby to have, but it feels like everyone turns it into a source of income sooner or later if they get popular enough. It's their decision, but this means they will be asked to draw specific things, not always something they're inspired to draw and they will certainly get "art blocked". And that's a bad excuse.
Doubleofox
5 years, 2 months ago
There's few actual "professionals" in this fandom / line of work.
I would 95% of artists don't treat it as a business or rather don't know how to be professional or treat it as a business thus that's why they are here with most other non business furries.

I find that when you also try to speak business and draw up contracts they look at you like you're some jerk or insane person. Just the nature of the fandom. However I keep all my records and documents of every transaction and when one get out of line they get a letter from my laywer, so that'll help you get the art, but most likely blacklisted from said artist  
BunnyFoxglove
5 years, 2 months ago
If I have to harass an artist to get the product I've paid for, it's a good chance they're already on my blacklist anyways. ;P

Just the same, I understand that the artists here don't think of themselves as professional, or at least don't act it. The statement was more directed at being a wake-up call for them.

I guess I'm just blown away by the lack of pride in their business practices. This is not to say all are bad, and most have been great to work with. But I have had a rather bad string of luck lately with people being extremely slow with no updates at all. The money is a trivial matter for me, these pics aren't costing me thousands. It's more a feeling of it being a personal matter they don't want to do the art I've asked for, in which case I would rather them not accept the commission.
FlyingFox
5 years, 2 months ago
This is the single most important reason I only charge after im done with a picture, that way nothing of value was lost if I get blocked.
BunnyFoxglove
5 years, 2 months ago
Yeah, see if you're gonna treat it as a hobby and you wanna make a few dollars on the side, that is probably the best way to go.
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