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Whippy

why do furries think artists are hard to get along with?

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I dunno why, but I've talked to a number of furries over the years who all had this idea that artists are snobby or bitchy (aka. not very nice people to deal with).  Out of my whole 7 years so far dealing with furry people, I've dealt with only one artist who really was a snob and another one who was extremely hard to chat with because he would never replied back. On that last one, of course my brain got to work on reasons why, all of them negative lol. In my book people like that unfortunately fall into the snobby category by default after a while and I stop talking to them.

But anyway, the majority of artists don't really seem that bad to me. On the other hand (since I am one) , I can understand how an artist might get crabby over the years too. Most of these have A LOT to do with what you get out of the furry community. Here's some of mine:

*Being ignored as a person and only talked to in order to get art.
Yeah, it's sad. People get shallow as heck sometimes. However!!!!! It's also possible to artist hides behind their art or their role as an artist and uses that as a way of dealing with others, keeping people at a distance. But if someone was only talking to me to get free art.. *shivers*..I'd want them to be far away from me too. I can totally see somebody getting bitter and cynical from dealing with swallow people like that all the time. The remedy to this one: make some real friends who like you for the real you.

*Being left out
There's no "bad guy" here. It's just a feeling of being on the outside of everything. Most of this is easily fixable just by BEING a fan like everybody else instead of a super 1337 artist all the time. Fun fact: I've never bought a commission in my life. I've done art trades though, and it's so darn fun to get a piece of art of your character / toon crush. Role playing is also a good way to connect with people.  I'd get so pent up and bitchy in my streams sometimes seeing others RP and I was only drawing and couldn't do much else. LOL.. so yeah, tapping that ass is also a good remedy. Just, don't wanna stay an art vending machine and watch the world go by.

So where does the bitchy artist stereotype come from? What are some reasons for it happening? Have you guys really experienced it a lot? Are you one? lol  And just to be clear, I'm not talking about depression and moodiness per se, I'm talking about interactions with others, behavior. How you get treated.
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Added: 6 years, 2 months ago
 
Teddy
6 years, 2 months ago
From a few artists that I've talked to, some people tend to befriend artists in order to get free arts, or try to.. to me that's just wrong.  So I can't fault artists for getting grumpy when that happens.
SherlyKaru
6 years, 2 months ago
It's kinda of a stereotype, popular people talk with popular people and look down to the rest, artists talk with artists and so, it's what i seen people think most the time. Not only that, people sometimes get the idea the artists ignore the other peoples but not the people "alike" but that's because they usually get lots of messages to read and the people they know they give first importance when reading their messages. So i guess it's how the normal world outside is and while in furry world shouldn't be like that sometimes tends to be too o.o
DaddyDuckyBE
6 years, 2 months ago
Well, as for only talking when wanting something from you...there's that fact you always log on everywhere as either invisible, or at the very least busy. That's why I've started saying, "You don't talk to Looq, Looq talks to *YOU*!"
BunnyFoxglove
6 years, 2 months ago
Most artists I've dealt with and talked to are cool people. Tho I tend to avoid ones I think have a big ego, and a swollen head.

I usually just chat with artists, some times I get a commission when I can afford it and the opportunity arises. But I never beg or try to con artists into drawing my character for free.
MystBunny
6 years, 2 months ago
The very first person I contacted in the fandom was an artist, and my GOD was he an ass. I later had an encounter with his girlfriend who was even more snobby than he was, and after that I decided the fandom just wasn't worth getting into. Anyway I found out later that most artists are indeed friendly and easy to talk to, and I just managed to find two of the worst back to back.
ShagsterP
6 years, 2 months ago
It's all business to me.  I'll treat the person I'm doing business with with respect if they treat me with respect, in turn.  I don't have problems with artists being assholes (I tend to make good choice in artists to commission to begin with) so much as I sometimes have a problem with them being finicky.  Whenever it's a "my life is stressful"/"I have no motivation" excuse for not doing anything, that upsets me, especially if it's an artist planning on making it big in their field.

I can understand if obstacles make it outright IMPOSSIBLE at the time, but really, everybody who works any job has stress and the motivation is the money you were just given to complete a task.  No business client is going to say "Oh, you don't feel motivated to work on this project for a while?  Okay, that's fine."  That's not how it works, especially with studio jobs.  I just expect professionalism, you know?
kenji321
6 years, 2 months ago
OH that first bullet *shudders*
Even I get mad at that lol
Meowz
6 years, 2 months ago
Well, let's say I've only experienced this kind of thing with one person. However, I do know a lot of artists who're nice and pretty much the same as anyone is.

A long time ago, like 10 years or what, there was a person, an artist, moderately talented, who drew lots of art that I liked. But he was down to earth and friends with pretty much anyone who was nice enough, simple as that.

Then, with practice, he became better, and better. And suddenly ... he was so popular, he didn't have time for me, he didn't have time for other friends of past times, he didn't have time for ... anything. He basically switched clique and scenes from that of the "old friends" to that of the "more exclusive" kind, hung out with people who pull strings, people who run Furry Cons, have more money, or were otherwise great success stories.

In all that time, he still kept being friendly and nice, but shallow as can be - and in a constant hurry. Never had time for a real "let's get the old crew back together", you see. Became one of the most popular artists ever, and I haven't had a chance to converse in any way since ... god it's been so long. And not for lack of trying.

I guess there are artists, and then there are artist superstars. If I ever become close friends with other artists, I gotta be careful not to get too attached, huh?
betatest
6 years, 2 months ago
computer techs vs computer programmers.... same argument really
Razrien
6 years, 2 months ago
I keep a healthy distance from the guys who draw the things I fap to.

I'm not your friend.
I don't know you you.
I don't want to know you.
I'm not going to blow smoke up your ass.
I don't get attached at all,  so when they end up writing those self-hating, angry journals that have no purpose, (..which ALL of them end up doing at one point or another)   I can un-watch them without a second thought.


As far as i'm concerned, you're a body-less floating hand who churns out porn now and then.
I'm just another one of your thousands of faceless, unimportant watchers of no consequence who faps to your shit.





Whippy
6 years, 2 months ago
woah..my sarcasm detector is going crazy... 0_0

I was just asking about artist behaviour and about the stereotype. It's nice to have a sociopathic watcher lol.
Razrien
6 years, 2 months ago
My pleasure. <3
Its nice to watch an artist who has a sense of humor,  instead of becoming depressed at the drop of a hat.
Whippy
6 years, 2 months ago
*stops cutting self and trying to fit a noose around his neck*
Oh my pleasure! ^/////^
Razrien
6 years, 2 months ago
Pfftahaha.  

Though I suppose the main point of your journal was actually trying to figure out 'why' they get depressed and all that?

....I think...  the answer lies somewhere with you, actually.

They just... take things too seriously.  Instead of just laughing things off and having fun with the fandom as you do,  they would take my pessimistic ramble and cut themselves with it,  or leave some sort of angry, scathing response.

Places like this need more folks like you.

RedReynart
6 years, 2 months ago
Well I dont' know that many folks in the community. I did know of a few artists out there, And from my experiences they are hard people to talk to. Either they ignoir you alot, or there well snobs.

One artist I known for a long time I bumped into at a con, got to chatting. Irony had it that the artist was a close friend to one of my other close friends so we became friends. Unfortunatly after geting Gest of Honor at one of them furry cons it all went to her head and she litteraly acted like a big shot. And that she was better than everyone else. I just stoped talking to her.

Another artist I know I talk to regularly sadly he is quite depressed all the time. But always a joy to talk to him. I started talking to him ironicly when I was watching his stream. I never thought in my life I would have a friend ship with this person.

A few other artist that I know but just as artists, I try to even write to them when they ever post something worth a reply. Examples is when I want to know trivial things like what tools do they use to create there art, what techniques. There are alot of people that become upset and hostile when all you are is curious. O.o I am a musician, If someone asked me what keyboards I use, why attack the person and curse them out? (I use Roland btw)

There are a few good folks but I have to go with the majority are douche bags, snobs, bitches, and jerks.... Even the ones who post in journals they want to chat, and you can ask them anything any time with a pm tend to be the same.. u.u its irony ... I would name names but I ratther respect the person and not say anything.
Guil
6 years, 2 months ago
I have this too much, I get a lot of people who like my art, but few who actually bother to actually talk to me.
 many people note me just for asking for free request of this characters, some people who like to RP to get free art from it too, I think the bigest reason who artist try to be friends of other artists is because you can have a bilateral relationship on it.
 no ofence but you will like to be friend of somene who have something in common with you than a guy who have nothing in profile and want something sexual from you, so most people have this idea that artists have a policy of only be friends with other artists and even try to know about you, is a little frustrating, I dont have many friends to talk to lately...sad
BillySquirrel
6 years, 2 months ago
There are many artists who ARE self entitled sociopaths. Ive met my share. And I know all their public names. The same could be said of furries in general. Especially furries in general. After all there is a reason they are outcasts. But there seems to be a higher than normal concentration in the artist circles. A need for attention with an inability to cope with it perhaps. They would excuse it with words like jaded, cynical, medication, but jackass isn't a mental condition.
CLCoon
6 years, 2 months ago
guess I was an unlucky one who got a bunch off snobs.
EtherRu
6 years, 2 months ago
I hazard to say that it is because blaming the artist, like in the case of any other accusation, is an easy way of averting the attention of our peers towards an alternate target.  Pointing the finger is one of our favorite past-times, in terms of humanity.  We are all rather shallow creatures, really.  I wouldn't let it bother you, Looq.
KevinSnowpaw
6 years, 2 months ago
I know several artists, yourself included looq, whom I consider to be a friend. Some of them I regularly commission some of them I have never commissioned. XD I just like hanging out with them.
FoxWolfie
6 years, 2 months ago
I discovered the furry fandom for about 14 years ago, and have participated in various sci-fi fandoms since around 1980.  In all that time, I have not encountered any of the "bitchy" artist problems that people so often talk about.  I'm sure they are out there.  Generally, I think that artists tend to treat people in the same way that people treat them.  If you approach an artist, or anyone else, with friendly respect, then they will normally return the same treatment - unless they are simply too busy to respond at all.

Maybe I've been lucky all these years, but I have never given an artist reason to have a problem with me, and none of them have ever been a problem for me.  I can think of a few things that might make an artist respond in a less than ideal manner, that I've seen people do.

  Beg an artist for free work.
  Ask an artist to draw subjects that they already said they won't draw.
  Ask an artist who has no porn in their gallery, or their favs, to draw porn.
  Ask an artist who has none of your fetish in their gallery, or their favs, to draw your fetish.
  Expect an artist to be your best friend, when they don't even know you.
  Assume that you can have sex with the artist at the next con, or eat with them, or anything else with them.
  Don't take no for an answer.
  Expect a busy artist to put your work ahead of all others.
  Assume the artist doesn't have work, school, family, friends or a life, outside of their art.
  Beg for more free art because it's your birthday!

For those who encounter a "bitchy" artist, it might be a good idea to consider if you've even done anything I've listed above.  Consideration goes both ways.  An artist should never assume that any random person they don't yet know is only after their art.
DaddyDuckyBE
6 years, 2 months ago
Funny this should pop up on FA just a few hours after your journal here buckling: https://www.furaffinity.net/view/8305521/
phydoux
6 years, 2 months ago
shallow people and only being talked to when they have something to gain's what had made me bitter, i'd have to say that therre are two or three furries that i've met OL that were decent human beings. and to be honest, i get anxiuos when meeting new people for these exact reasons. no this is not meant as an attack on anyone, just facts of my life.
thecapedmanlloyd
6 years, 2 months ago
I'm not sure why ether. I'm a very easy person to get along with. Sure I encountered a artist who's ego was so inflated you could colonize it but its not like you meet them everyday.

Maybe they feel that way because most of the time, they are only around when they want something.
cargoweasel
6 years, 2 months ago
i don't really know if I have a snobby reputation, or not, although I'm far from being "popufur" and too old to care much.

I try to be nice to everyone but if someone IMs me and doesn't seem to have much to add to a conversation I tend to respond noncommittally.  if that makes me a snob well, guilty.
Spuug
6 years, 2 months ago
I've met some furs at furmeets, and become friends with them, before I learned that they also draw furry art.
I think the artists coming off as snobby is a result of them trying to keep some personal time to themselves.
Once an artist becomes good enough and popular enough, they will attract a large enough fan base that will
demand their attention, which can easily consume all the artist's free time if they let it.  So they scale back
interactions with others to a minimum, enough to solicit and take commissions (if they do them), but not at
the same level that a friendship would entail.  Fans who demand more attention get the brush-off.  People
just meeting the artist get treated as fans, and don't stand much of a chance to get to know them better and
become a friend.  This comes across as snobbishness.  
HeavyheartHare
6 years, 2 months ago
I always enjoyed talking with you. But it does seem whenever I try to catch you, we're never able to chat. Ah well. I just hope everything is going great for you.
Loopa
6 years, 2 months ago
well ,I never stereotyped  people :3 , dear  ^^ .  
VoodooKitty
6 years, 2 months ago
I can tell you my experience.

I had one bad experience when I first got into the fandom about 15 years ago. It kind of made me.... hesitant to try to talk to anyone I knew was an artist. I don't want to go into it so I wont. This has been somewhat compounded over the years by talking to the few artists I have known and having my motives misunderstood. It even goes so far as... lets see... to date I think I have paid for maybe 3 commissions, and every time I did it made my skin crawl for reasons that are...difficult to explain. Please don't misunderstand, I know this is unfair because that is how a lot of artists make their money.....its...difficult to explain.............................................basically I Fluttershy.

As for everyone else... Well....People think a lot of their own oppinions.. not to say they are egomaniacal, just, its easy to make someone think I don't like them, or don't value their opinion, just because I don't respond back to them. I don't get many comments so it's easy for me to keep up with them, but I follow *rough guess* 300 people on fur affinity. I've gotten to the point where I honestly just don't bother reading journals because every day I wake up to an ocean of text that I can never read through, I can only imagine what your inbox looks like, with every picture and journal you post getting from 3 to 300 responses. People just don't think of it that way. "They didn't reply to my post, they must not like me"... It's more likely to be "They didn't respond to my post, because 30 other people posted at the same time, with the same general sentiment, and then everyone is replying back and forth to each other and it's all a horrible mess of fanboys, trolls, idiots, and of course the ever popular "lets roleplay in someone Else's comments field!" that no one can sort through it all"

It's just the psychology. People tend to be shy to approach people they respect, to the point that they place these people on a pedestal, and then kinda feel hurt if they don't stand out in the crowd enough to be noticed by someone who they really admire.

Just a note, none of this is directed squarely at you. It is my general guess on the mentality of the average furfan. I am just saying, people are fragile. They tend to take away the impression that they are disliked by a person, which you have to be "relevant" to be "disliked", because it is all together harder to just be greeted with outright apathy....And to be fair, it's hard to care about everything that everyone feels like saying............

Anyway. You've always seemed really nice, I hope this isn't a reaction to someone being a jerk to you.
bahamutdragons
6 years, 2 months ago
Beyond the fact that I find most people in the fandom uninteresting (there are a lot of similar traits I find unappealing), I find that artists are typically too popular to be able to chat well.  People who try to keep in touch with too many people I can't really do much about.  I'm not what you'd call a casual chatter, I chat with the same people day in and day out.  Some people seem to just want variety.

This is like the worst answer ever, it's very convoluted.
bbmbbf
6 years, 2 months ago
i feel like i'm getting more and more haters,  lately a guy called me scammer/thief becouse he found a random message on palcomix sever (a nigerian style spam scam... you know, i'm the prince of... i need money for... ).. is like blaming bill gates becouse someone used msn for spam scam mails... >_<  is like people is searching even the silliest excuse for attack me... is not the first, i read haters everywhere, insults  from the same people who steal my commercial stuff ..."this shitty art doesn't worth money" then *click download link*.... so unfair
Whippy
6 years, 2 months ago
That's such BS -_- All they're doing is demonizing you to rationalize their greedy behavior. Man, you deal with way more than what I'd be willing to put up with o_o.
bbmbbf
6 years, 2 months ago
i was so stressed that i really needed a vacation time, after 6 days out of the computer i was totally fresh and ready, but i feel like was not enought now.. heh.. really.. thanks for reply.
Whippy
6 years, 2 months ago
I don't blame you...whew...I've needed a few vacations as well. Sometimes it seems like the internet gives you more loud, noisey, or bright things you have to activity ignore than pleasant things you can pay attention to.  You're welcome for the reply *giggles*  And damn it, I still find your avatar incredibly hawt :)
bbmbbf
6 years, 2 months ago
Totally true...  also. .. *blush* XD
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