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KichigaiKitsune

Just thinking...

About InkBunny. Lately, a lot more has been made about the website's percentage of cub-porn submissions and the flaws in the tagging system, and I thought I'd just throw my opinion out there.

Firstly, let me state that I'm perfectly aware the vast majority of my submissions are erotic "cub" stories. So I obviously don't hate the idea of adult "cub" submissions, but I absolutely detest other themes, such as, no offense, baby-fur, scat, watersports, and cross-dressing (to list just a few) and I've employed the tagging system to block those things.

This system works fine for me, and the only problem I've run into is when it blocks a submission because it's in a multi-submission where only one of the images included contains something on the blocklist.

The big complaint people seem to have is that, despite using the tags, images they don't want to see are slipping through, especially on the Popular page. First and foremost, almost no other site has a tagging/filtering system like InkBunny, so I question just how many of these "unwanted" images you must, gasp, behold the thumbnail of and ignore. In the overall scheme of things, what with adult "cub" submissions comprising so little of overall submissions, I find it hard to believe you're seeing an overwhelming amount on this site in general. More will be getting tagged and blocked than will not be.

Secondly, don't use the Popular/New page. I don't, I've navigated to the front page literally only fifteen times or so in my two years of using InkBunny. Find submissions you like, then follow the breadcrumbs back to the artists/commissioners who are creating the work you like. There's never, ever any point in assuming what the furry community rates as "popular" to also be good.
This was also true with FA and SoFurry for me too; there's never any point at looking on the front page for the "recent" and "popular" submissions. Mostly, they're utter garbage. Not always, sometimes you'll find a new artist to tickle your fancy, but I find a more active approach to searching for good submissions is necessary on art websites, as well as taking the good with the bad. I recommend going over the Popular and New section only if you need a good laugh or are desperate for new artists.

Thirdly, going over every "cub" related submission I've seen in months, I find they are all perfectly tagged as "adult" and "cub." How many artists/posters are fucking around with the tags when the site specifically states "keywords and tags are especially important to the InkBunny community, no joke keywords please"? What's wrong with you guys? If these people would stop being lax with their tagging (and to be fair, I don't actually know any artists that are, I'm just accepting the words of whiners that they exist) then this entire issue would quietly fade away like it deserves to.
Who cares if InkBunny is predominantly hosting cub artwork when you can block it? The viewer has to put three letters in his kill-list; artists just need to put them in the keywords list. Is that so damn hard?

However, as I said, the vast majority of cub submissions that I have seen are correctly tagged. Maybe I'm just watching the right artists.

I have opinions on the majority of cub artwork in the furry community. To be blunt, most of it is garbage, and despite my favorites gallery, it's not necessarily my favorite thing. If you want to block it, that's absolutely fine by me. If you feel the need to abandon this website because of the apparent proliferation of such artwork on this site and the block system doesn't work, that's your prerogative.
But the problem is clear: those who post potentially charged and upsetting material must tag it correctly. It's just bad manners to neglect this stage.

I.E... you're being a dick, stop it.
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Added: 6 years, 6 months ago
 
FoxbunnyAce
6 years, 6 months ago
Is this truly such a problem that it warrants a journal post?
KichigaiKitsune
6 years, 6 months ago
You can ask that about virtually anything anyone makes a journal about. It's a big enough issue, being the main criticism of and reason for leaving InkBunny, and because sometimes the mods/admins of this site read my journals; hopefully seeing yet another person hinting at the need for mandatory keywords might help them make the right decision.
FoxbunnyAce
6 years, 6 months ago
Well i guess to elaborate further it just seems like a lot of nit picking to me.  I mean are we really talking about a FLOOD of art busting through the dams of the keywords to make people turn away hiss and scream into the night "never again ink bunny!!!!   This i swear!!!!"  I just kinda shrug.  Is it really that bad to the point you leave over it when this site is really the first to get it right?  I would say they are well aware of the reasons they are doing so well as opposed to FA crashing and burning right now.  

I can empathize with an undesirable amount of refrigerator art but everyone deserves a shot and a place to establish roots, but leaving the site really?  I know you didn't ask for my opinion but you will always be walking a tight rope the bigger a site gets either being bombarded w/ crap you hate to look at or being an elitist who sweats the small stuff so badly nobody wants to hear from them anyway.
KichigaiKitsune
6 years, 6 months ago
That's actually what I was saying. I don't believe there are that many submissions slipping through, I think the people complaining and leaving are just being silly (but, whatever, I won't attack them for it); although I do believe we contributors to the community should be tagging our work appropriately.
FoxbunnyAce
6 years, 6 months ago
Well i'm in agreement w/ the unwanted material not getting through as well and I do call bs on those that leave, i mean what more could you want!!??  All our friends are here!?

To those not tagging i would say these individuals aren't as analytical as some of us MOST of us tend to be and probably don't even notice it to be a problem in the first place.
kitaness
6 years, 6 months ago
The vast majority of people right now are using the tagging system in good faith and that's is as good as it's going to get. Moderating the presence of the 'cub' tag would get just as messy and inconsistent as FA's cub ban, and there would still be people who disagreed with whatever arbitrary definition of 'cub' the Inkbunny staff came up with.
Is this cub? FA says yes, the artist and the owners of those characters say no. What possible empirical evidence could you come up with to justify placing a label on that artist's work and those characters that could well end up with them being vilified and banned in other communities? Eye-to-head ratio? Head-to-body? Get them to show their IDs? Take a sample of pixels for carbon dating?
The only problem here is that people need to grow the fuck up and accept that they're going to occasionally encounter things they may not like and people they may not agree with on the internet.
KichigaiKitsune
6 years, 6 months ago
Honestly, I think you're right and you might be hitting the nail on the head: so many furries have a knee-jerk hate-response to anything they think might be "cub" that when they see pictures like the one you linked, they claim it's "fucking cub porn" that got past their block-list when, actually, it's just a cute/chibi drawing (that isn't even pornographic).

I don't see many people posting cub, or even cub-like, images who don't tag it properly, like I said in the journal.

I agree that people need to get over it, and if you go through my journals you won't find a single rant about me seeing something I had blocked or did not like. I accept that, and take the good with the bad or unappealing on art sites. However, if a submission is unquestionably "cub" or is intended to be "cub" - such as, say, one of my own stories where the age of the characters are explicitly stated - I believe it's good form to tag it.

However, people won't get the fuck over it, because it's such a charged issue. "Cub porn" is one of those phrases that turn people's brains off. If we can't get these people to stop being whining ass-hats and accept that it's the internet, then the least we can do is tag our work in good faith, as you said. I'm just grumbling about those who don't do that.

Incidentally, your avatar is too cute to be legal. Holy crap, I think I just threw up a kitten.
FuzzFace
6 years, 6 months ago
Hmm...that third word on the ending sent me blood pumping. and yet, you still somehow instill porn of some type into even this journal. whoopsy! better be a fut nucker about it!

hehe....nucking futs.
Aerotan
6 years, 6 months ago
On the tagging: A moderated public tagging system might at least serve as a balm to quiet the "issue" of artists improperly tagging. Give the people who are seeing bad or missing tags the ability to suggest/add tags, with the submitting artist retaining the ability to remove public tags at-will.
vulPN
6 years, 6 months ago
This is something that annoys the hell out of me. It's little different than the anti-gay stuff that's spouted by people who would never even accidentally or ironically visit this site; "I don't like it, therefore it should be banned forever." If you don't like it, don't look at it! There's a VERY easy way around it; hell, there's several. I find not clicking on such submissions to be highly effective.
FoxbunnyAce
6 years, 6 months ago
You'll like this, so here i am playin devil's advocate and guess what happened to me today!?!?  I got a nice big plate of shit served to me when i did a tag search that had NOTHING to do with what i asked for.

I felt like an ass after this little gem got flashed on my screen     https://inkbunny.net/submissionview.php?id=229885

I warn you to look at that for more than 2secs will make you blind, and they'll find you dead in your bathroom not long after.  Just when i thought it was safe....
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