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Agrius

A question for all Trump supporters.

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...which, come to find out, is a thing in the furry fandom.  Jeez, really?  You'll fap to two dudes going at it and then vote for a guy who selected the 3rd most conservative politician in the nation as his running mate?  The guy who commissioned the bill that allows businesses to discriminate against people based on their religious beliefs?  Christ god in heaven.

Sorry.  I swear I'm going to try to keep this civil.  It is a strain on every fiber of my being.  But I am going... to keep... this civil.

So, as many of you have seen, this election has been pretty toxic as of late.  The nation is more divided than it has ever been in recent memory, there are protests and (small) riots in the street, and in general the over-all vibe is pretty lousy.

I've just been made aware of several Trump supporters whose work I've chosen to follow in the past.  Pierce, KevinSnowpaw, some douche marmoset who earned himself a block for being REALLY petty after Trump won, and some ferret with a fascination for BDSM gear and ball gags.  So clearly, there's Trump support here on Inkbunny, baffling as that may seem to me.

So... for all the Trump supporters out there who may be reading this... for all of you almost uniformly white, blue-collar beltways who just had to elect a caricature of a 1920's oil tycoon into the highest office in the nation... I have to ask.  Why?

What do you think you gained by voting that man into office earlier this week?  After everything he's said.  After every miserable thing he's done over the 70 odorous years of his entitled upper class life.  Please tell me.  Call it the squishy neo-lib in me, but I believe that, if I learn what you're feeling, I'll have a better insight as to why you voted the way you did.

Do you feel safer?

Do you think he's going to return America to a seat of preeminence not seen since the 1950's?

Do you feel your jobs are more secure?  

Did you vote for him just because Hillary was a lousy candidate? (she was - I can concede that)

If you would, please name the one overarching reason... as plainly as you can... why, after a year and a half of reasoning, that you felt Trump would be a good idea.

Please try to keep things as civil as possible.  I'm just trying to understand.
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Added: 6 years, 2 months ago
 
WeaselNip
6 years, 2 months ago
I'd love to hear the reasons too. As a man married to another man, I certainly don't feel safer right now.
blackcotton
6 years, 1 month ago
I'd shed a tear but the sodium levels are nuclear level right now.
blackcotton
6 years, 1 month ago
From one gay to the next gay  : https://youtu.be/TCUAB9lr-NA?t=169
Agrius
6 years, 1 month ago
You obviously need some attention.  So here we go.

I'm not going to bother conjuring up every other instance where Trump has been two-faced.  It's not worth my time, and there aren't enough characters in this comment box.  

If you wanna gag on Trump's orange cock, by all means.  But if you honestly can't see his token LGBT support as a cheap ploy for votes, then you're a fool.  He selected as his VP the 2nd most conservative man in American politics today - a man who, to this day, voices support for conversion therapy for children, and commissioned the bill that says trans people in NC must use the bathroom of their assigned sex.  

I'm not even going to go into his cabinet picks; suffice to say, they're equally horrifying.  

Tell you what, though?  Why don't you get off my inbox's dick and get back to Uncle Tom-ing it up somewhere else?  I'm tired of deleting all your comments.  

Thanks for the feedback though.  No, really.  I mean it.

~Aggy
Jinko
6 years, 2 months ago
Ah. Someone who doesn't read political platforms... Or does any research. Honestly, I didn't vote. If I had to pick someone from the grab bag in earnest, I'd have voted Liberitarian. But that's a "wasted vote" So instead, I support "Trump" why? Cause I know he's going to be a single Term president. I know he hates political correctness. And his being in office is a stand against the current Plutocracy. Thats about it. I don't really like anything else he has going. But I will say this. Would you rather vote for a womanizing Drunkard and Chain smoker? Or an educated Art student and well versed political activist who knows what the people want. Because one of them Is Winston Churchill, and the Other is Adolf Hitler. A background and past events does not spell more of the same in the future. People need to stop this sensationalist bullshit abd realize our government has rules and concrete documents to uphold. And any past Supreme Court hearing, including on gay rights, gay marrige, must be upheld. This is not the end. There will not be concentration camps. Life will, for the most part, go on as if nothing happened.
GreenReaper
6 years, 2 months ago
How would electing a billionaire real-estate mogul who started with a million-dollar loan from his father - closer to $5 million today - be a stand against plutocracy?

His reign may be a single term - it remains to be seen - but if a week is a long time in politics, four years is an eternity. Part of the reason for this is that while the legislators and justice departments are indeed separate, administrative law is an executive function. The office of the president gets to set many of the rules directly, and selects others who may make them, such as the head of the FCC.

Supreme Court justices, once appointed by the president and approved by the senate, may serve for life, and are more than capable of overruling their own decisions. Deportation has a lifetime impact, too, and it's likely to happen to a lot more people as a result thanks to new executive directives.

Basically, you're not just electing a president. You're saying "this is the direction I want my country to go in". And many of the people who voted for Trump know that, too. People didn't vote for Adolf because of his art background; they voted because he was going to make Germany great again.
Jinko
6 years, 2 months ago
And Hitler did maker Germany great again. He brought Germany back from an abysmal state. You can't deny that. What came from that was a boom of technological and economical advancements we still use today. Widely. I'm not Nazi sympathizer, but just step back from the horrible monstrosities take a look at what they accomplished. What we (rightly so) stole from their achievements. Third Reich Germany was great... but things went wrong, oh so very wrong in the ways of human rights and morals. Which I really don't foresee The United States falling into. Too divided. I was worried about Hillary ending up that way... Her Collectivist ideals were scary. Bordering on secret police and purging levels. She wanted to Ban Alternative media That's a very... Authoritarian move.

Please read Trump's policy on Immigration. It's not all about kicking out everyone who happens to be Mexican. It's not about denying Mexicans Citizenship. It's about denying "Birthers" their "Anchor Baby" while not taking the legal steps to becoming Citizens. He wants to make immigration faster and easier. He just want stop illegal aliens from sucking down National Resources.

Trump also doesn't hate gays. This is sensationalist bullshit. Yes, He said he PERSONALLY opposes same-sex marriage. But never hinted he wanted to overturn it. Never said anything remotely hinting to wanted to address it. But this is still an uncertainty. We shall see in the future.

And on your question of How electing a billionaire real-estate mogul opposes the Plutocracy? He hates it too. He hates the "Government Yacht Club." This is also a man that is actually giving up his business to become president. He's losing his empire.

Yeah. Trump's a loud mouthed asshat. His views are sometimes questionable. But I'd rather that Than Hillary. There's way more dirt to dig up on Hillary. That's a can of worms. A very, very, ugly one. Especially when she keeps company that likes to refer to the voting public as "Complacent, Obedient and Unaware"
GreenReaper
6 years, 2 months ago
A fair number of members have 'gay' in their blocked keywords. Liking fuzzy animals doesn't stop you from feeling that the America of today is worse than that of forty years ago - or even that it might be better without a career politician at the head of the ship.

Of course, I'm not any of these people. As a Brit, I'm just laughing at the fact that not only did Trump one-up Brexit, he did so while actually losing a popular vote… ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
KiraRedpaw
6 years, 2 months ago
I honesty voted for Jill Stein. I couldn't bring myself to vote for either Clinton or Trump. I'm for who ever will do the country best in my eyes and that was Stein. I call myself an independent voter in the regards that I don't follow a party (including independents). I think having parties actually makes the running and voting process worse. Oh well, that's all I have to say......about that. ;)
Agrius
6 years, 2 months ago
I like how, in all the moderate and liberal news outlets, they're now attempting to rationalize our nation's choice.  It's like a drunk guy who brought a barfly home, and has to convince himself it was a good idea the next day.  

I can't for the life of me believe that all of Trump's (I will not call him 'President' Trump) quotes were taken out of context.  His comments and behavior this last year and a half have been ghastly.  

I will, however, readily admit that Hilary was a terrible candidate.  In an era of renewed oversight and scrutiny, she was careless and arrogant.  Because of that, America's first fledgling attempt at fixing its hopelessly broken healthcare system is slated to come crashing down.  And our foreign policy, which already has made us the scorn of the rest of the world, has just been handed over to a terrible ambassador.  

Donald Trump is a monster, for sure.  But Democrats have their fair share of the blame to reckon with.

WinstonW
6 years, 2 months ago
Hard to pin down any singular reason but foreign policy and specifically relations with Russia and a more isolationist approach to matters reminiscent of Teddy Roosevelt. I am of the mind that Russia will be instrumental in coming years in curtailing Middle Eastern terror conflict due to the cost effectiveness of their proximity to the region and their general willingness to respond quickly.

Hillary gave them no respect, despite being one of our allies, throwing out spurious and unproven ideas about "Russian hackers sponsored by the Kremlin" toward anything that showed her in a negative light with similar frequency which Trump declared things as "rigged." She basically wanted to fly the one finger salute to Russia by declaring Syria a no-fly zone effectively neutering Russia's rapid response capabilities to any conflict in the region. Hillary also called for the unprovoked conflict in Libya, for nebulous and ill-defined reasons that make the Bay of Pigs and Cold War "containment" policy look like doctrine cut into stone- Not to mention the email shit, which I doubt is gonna be some black market information sales but rather be the best case scenario of "she really sucks at handling classified information" which isn't a spiffy ringing endorsement either. Then there's her suspect relations and accepting money from places like Qatar, nations which her own department have assessed to likely be sponsoring terror cells like the ones fucking Libya over a barrel.

Hillary has a shitty track record and no amount of bragging about sleazy sexual conquests levering his celebrity status from Trump is going to outweigh "seeks to incite open war with one of our allies and has started wars for questionable ends," in my eyes, anyhow.

As for some Trump positives, rather than just banging on about how he's not Hillary- He's the only candidate that openly spoke out against the TPP and made it a top goal to repeal it, he's the only candidate in ages to speak out against NAFTA. He's intent to close tax loopholes that corporations like to exploit. I tend to dislike bureaucracy so his ideas on simplifying income tax filing and shrinking things like the IRS are a quantifiable way to trim the fat as it were. He has rather liberal, protectionist economic views and with the US economy the way it is currently, I wholly believe that is the way to go with things.

The identity politics and your willingness to passive aggressively talk backhanded to perfectly respectable people (blue collar white people) as though their thought process is illegitimate speaks to another facet of why I voted Trump-

(Little aside here because there's two clashing narratives that I've happened upon, where it's spun that white Trump voters are a bunch of chaw-spitting redneck type racist untermensch who should be done away with because all the SMART and enlightened educated types always vote blue, obviously- But then I see the same people who proclaim that all Trump voters are dumb and their brains can't possibly work right, then proceed to say how Trump isn't the candidate of the people he claims to be because the majority of white people that voted for him are in the more than 70k a year income level from college educated backgrounds. Just wanted to openly cogitate on that one.)

The left and particularly progressive bent toward "feelings" does very little for me- Feelings are fickle, can change from literal moment to moment and are nothing to base policy on. Moreover, they only tend to care about very specific feelings from very specific people. I recall twittospehre lighting up with the usual suspects rubbing Trump supporters' noses in a myriad of data sets and charts about how bad he was going to lose and how they should get used to saying "Madam President" (ironic). Also see the "male tears" mugs for more grand examples of hard left progressive empathy- So it's a bit hypocritical for those in that group to piss and moan when it's turned back around on them.
WinstonW
6 years, 2 months ago
Turnabout is fair play in my book- Yeah an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind but catharsis is pretty nice sometimes, and crying out for the people you were so gleefully demonizing to "stop being so ungracious in victory, think of their FEELINGS" is really goddamn scummy.

Hrmmmmmmm miscellaneous shit- "Small riot" is an oxymoron, also it was three straight days in some five or six cities with several thousand apiece. I've seen a lot of alleged shit like hijab pulling or "nigger" getting thrown around and assaults but no evidence, no police reports etc. despite the particular age range being equipped with recording devices out the wazoo and a willingness to use them as well as being of the mindset that jumps at the opportunity to document the slightest transgressions, and many of these allegations are already coming out as fabricated. Yet there's very blatant and damning accounts of shit like the old fellow being pulled from his car, beaten and robbed because he had a Trump bumper sticker, or the Stumping for Trump guy who was just stabbed and killed. There's "Rape Melania" signs, journalists openly advocating for Trump to be assassinated, "Snitches get Stitches" leaflets handed out at the riots instructing people how to most fully fuck shit up- Given to people who ostensibly like democracy because they voted, unless result isn't what they wanted, yadda yadda yadda.

Sorry I couldn't distill my reasoning down to a snackie, easily digestible one theme powerpoint slide, but it seems like every time I try to boil things down for simplicity's sake the fella on the other end takes that as license to use a matter of medium limitation for attempting to conveniently corral what I said into a predetermined file for ease of dismissal.
cincizra
5 years, 3 months ago
If I ignore the seven paragraphs (#s 2, 3, and 5-9) of combined anti-people-and-candidate-you-disagree-with, you have some good points. Here's what I extracted:

1. Collaboration with Russia (paragraph #1)
2. Isolationism (#1)
3. Opposition to the TPP (#4)
4. Opposition to the NAFTA (#4)
5. Simplifying tax law (#4)
6. Economic protectionism (#4)

Please tell me if I'm missing anything.
WinstonW
5 years, 2 months ago
Basically thereabouts were the highlights, yeah.
cincizra
5 years, 2 months ago
Cool, looks like I managed to distill your reasoning down into a "snackie" :3
WinstonW
5 years, 2 months ago
Wasn't necessarily for lack of being able to that I spent so many words on this but rather that I made a deliberate choice to- As I said in my last paragraph.
cincizra
5 years, 2 months ago
Huh, we must be using different dictionaries. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
" WinstonW wrote:
Sorry I couldn't
WinstonW
5 years, 2 months ago
Context and grammatical colloquialisms  being the hangup here- Like the difference between asking a teacher in grade school "can I go to the bathroom" versus "may I go to the bathroom." While each by definition imply two very different things, the context within which they are being used 99.999999 percent of the time mean the same damn thing.

My saying "sorry I couldn't" followed by the rest of the paragraph implies that I couldn't live with myself posting what I did without the drawn out caveats because I wanted to most adequately explain my thoughts, warts and all rather than chop up a complex opinion and condense it because doing so in the past has gotten me misrepresented. I didn't want to be misrepresented. Ergo, I "couldn't" condense things. Capiche?

However if you want split hairs on impossibilities, I'll make a correction, "Sorry I didn't."
cincizra
5 years, 2 months ago
Wow, I didn't know that  77.777777 percent of paragraphs being combined anti-people-and-candidate-you-disagree-with was such a complex caveat that's essential to you continuing to live. Maybe you should see a doctor about that. :3
WinstonW
5 years, 2 months ago
"Not being able to live with myself" is a turn of phrase. A way of saying I want to stick to my principles. My principle here being that if I'm going to state my opinion or view I am going to state them as fully and adequately as possible. My being "anti-person/thing" is part of that of that opinion and so in trying to be honest and transparent I am going to state that.
cincizra
5 years, 2 months ago
Okay, it just seems odd that being enemies with the political opposition is worth nearly drowning out all the points that could win them to your side. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
WinstonW
5 years, 2 months ago
Who said anything about enemies? My fellow citizenry are not my enemies- This is a person who posed an open question for opinions and views, or more succinctly "reasoning." My fulfilling that request isn't "drowning out." They said they wanted to understand, I tried to put things as square in the way I knew how in the hopes they might understand.
cincizra
5 years, 2 months ago
Well, that level of opposition sounds like the opposite of friends, but I see I jumped the gun on saying "enemies" to describe that. Sorry, my bad. Still, I suspect it would be much more effective to spend most of your explanation on what's good about the candidate you supported rather than on generalizations of what's bad about the people who supported the other candidates. After all, if most of them were that extreme, I'm sure way more would have voted.
blackcotton
6 years, 1 month ago
lmao the salt from this site is wonderful shut up Agrius you and your awful icon. just shut the fuck up lmao
blackcotton
6 years, 1 month ago
"70 odorous years of his entitled upper class life.  "

Jealously lmao
blackcotton
6 years, 1 month ago
envy is a sin my dear argi.
StupidIdiot
3 years, 3 months ago
Boy am I glad you're dead.
Afterglow
4 years, 11 months ago
" You'll fap to two dudes going at it and then vote for a guy who selected the 3rd most conservative politician in the nation as his running mate?

Most furries, and most furry porn, is heterosexual.
And on furry sites that have vote systems, heterosexual porns are the chart-toppers.
Take that as you will.

Disclaimer: I'm into all genders, and not into Donald.
Agrius
4 years, 11 months ago
Slightly incorrect.  Pretty much every statistic I've ever read concerning the furry community lists the fandom's predominant sexuality as "bi-sexual".  
Afterglow
4 years, 11 months ago
Ooh, really?  I'd love to be proven wrong about that ((not sarcasm)), any articles you know of to take a peek at?
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