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This crops up every now and again...

Apologies, here's a minor rant.
There's an annoying thing that pops up now and again with regard to homeschooling, and even some of my own fans/commenters have done some variation of this.

Here's my response to the annoying thing:

"Homeschooled children are not always locked in the house; they learn their social skills from adults, older youths, as opposed to equally socially inexperienced peers (want a child to act like an adult, yet you lock him away for much of his life with other children?). Homeschooled children MAY have difficulty fitting in, but it doesn't HAVE to be true at all. People forget that students at school often have trouble fitting in or looking down on others too" - me, on YouTube. Yes, I am commenting on YouTube. What the hell?

This time it was noteworthy, because the person I was replying to stated that though he escaped being social inadequate as a homeschooled child, he totally knows one or two others that did not.

It baffles me that homeschooled kids say this. Say, you lucky bastard, wanna go here instead? You have any idea how many kids would trade places with you in a heartbeat?
It baffles me even more that it's given some sort of credence just because a homeschooled person said it. Like it's some sort of communist defector telling us the truth on the lowdown, when in reality it's just "the grass is always greener, even when it ain't."

Congratulations, you were homeschooled and were a little awkward (around whom? Dickwits in college? Workplace peers? Does this matter?).
I was at a public school and everyone I know was just awesome at social interaction. We settled our differences and arguments flawlessly and diplomatically, and every time me and my fellow students spoke, it was just the picture of politeness and harmony! Nobody was socially awkward, everyone got along fine!

Oh, wait, I'm totally talking out of my ass. And I had a knife drawn on me. Three times. Well, one was actually a screwdriver. Enjoy.

It reminds me of that scene in House of Carters (yes, I watched some of that, don't ask why) where Aaron Carter whines that he never had a prom. Big fucking deal, man! Instead, you got millions of dollars and slept with Paris Hilton! Okay, I know you had your own troubles, bro, but if you think school or a prom would've magically solved them I've got a bridge in Brooklyn for ya.

Homeschooling parents often DO take their kids out, enroll them in clubs of various kinds, and so on so forth. It's very sad that so many people believe school is such an integral part of a child's life that if you take them out of it, they've got nothing to do but sit in a musty, dark old room with the curtains pulled over, reading from dusty tomes learning obscure history to appease their parents.
They go to the park, visit neighbors, join sports clubs... As I said, their emotional intelligence is going to benefit from this, and from interacting with adults and older (and younger) children. A child is more likely to learn and live if you give them the freedom to do that by releasing them from the ball and chain of a rigid school life.

The other perennial favorite is talking about bullies. There's so much bullshit floating around about bullies that I have a 15,000 word "journal" I was going to post about it but never worked up the heart.

Long story short: you don't get prepared to deal with bullies in school. You learn to deal with them out in the park, or in the local baseball club. Being bullied in school is less likely to be a "valuable life lesson about standing up for yourself" and more likely to result in your academic results plummeting, depression and worse.

Do not reply with an anecdote about how you kicked some "bully's" ass and everything was fine from then on. Everyone always does that! They fail to realize how incredibly irrelevant their anecdote is: for every one student who can tell a tale like that, fifty have tales of their entire education being ruined by the stress of bullying. It's the worst possible place to be bullied, and schools often have no idea how to handle it (if they do anything) when a student is being harassed.
There is no positive benefit or silver lining to being bullied in school. Zero. It is not an argument in favor of mass-schooling. Leave it, forever.

I'm no conspiracy nut, I understand that many progressive educators are trying to free their students from the unquestionably stifling atmosphere of school - the big problem with discussing this is the ignorant folk, rarely teachers themselves, who claim there's nothing wrong with the way we school children today. There is, many teachers are aware of it and how it murders children's creativity.
However they rarely go far enough, trying to operate within the same framework with the same notions of "education" that poisoned the mass-schooling model from its inception.

It's going to take something "drastic." But as a word, "drastic" has negative connotations. When it comes to this, I don't know if anything can be too "drastic."

One final thing to address, this was actually said to me by a not-very-intelligent younger Australian only a few months ago and it still annoys me to this day.

"Homeschooled kids can't get into university."

Oh, holy shit, do people actually believe this? It's hilarious, because the kid is a high-school student and this just illustrates the problem. You'd think someone immersed in the education system for twelve or more years would understand it better, but he doesn't even have a clue that universities accept candidates through tests that are designed to test logic and language skills, and have courses and support available to help students adapt to university life.

Not only is university over-rated, but it's piss-easy to get into. The HARDEST possible way to get into university here in Australia is through your secondary school results. It takes five years in a place filled with distractions and trials, slogging through mostly useless and irrelevant curriculum fluff, before you can fight for a place in university.

Meanwhile, I stuck my high school results in a shredder, then got into university completely on the basis that I'm not a fucking moron. When I got in, I found university was a completely different situation to high school; the way universities are run here, is how we need to run our high schools.

But I'm having a lot of difficulty performing at university. Know why? Get ready, this is one of the most personal things I'll ever admit on my journal here:

Burnt out by high-school, and an innate disgust of busywork that I just can't shake.
Oh, and school-like institutions (such as universities) make me anxious due to seven long years of extremely negative experiences.

What happened to me isn't guaranteed to happen to everyone who goes into the public school system, though many would argue that almost NO child escapes it unharmed. Likewise, a responsible parent that is homeschooling for the right reasons will not neglect the social and emotional growth of their children. It's pretty easy: just leave the door open.

If you're homeschooled, you're one lucky person. If you're socially awkward, that may just be who you are, since it doesn't matter if you're homeschooled or not (most socially retarded people I know are school-leavers; least are the people with less time spent in school). If you want to know how to deal with bullies, welcome to the club, so does everyone - go to a boxing gym.

I don't think I'll have the last words this time. I'll let the homeschooled kids/parents take it from here.
From several YouTube videos:

"I always find it funny that people ask homeschoolers about how their kids have a "social life" but people never ask if people who work from home have a "social life" its really just the same!"

"I think homeschooling is wonderful, I have been home schooled for 10 years, As for the social aspect, I actually have more time for doing "social" activities than my public schooled friends do. I think that the public school environment can get in the way of your actual education."

"As for poor social skills, home schooled kids tend to be the MOST sociable, because they tend to be exposed to all age groups, i.e. people of all types of intelligence and wisdom. By doing so, their mental development far exceeds anyone in public school (i.e. kids who socialize with kids only)."

"Amen to that. We just find friends in other places. I actually do a lot of things socially. And I'm homeschooled! *GASP*"
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Gehenna
6 years, 8 months ago
See... this is why most of the instructors I had in high school where also the people I talked to the most.  Almost all of the other kids I had to deal with knew nothing more about a subject then I did. So instead I sought out one of the instructors that I knew would be available to speak to and we would have an intelligent and thought out conversation. Though in regards to this journal, I'd like to point out a few issues with what you have said. One, just because you are in high school does not mean you will be socially inept, And, just because you are home schooled does not mean you will be socially superior. Both of these depends a large amount on the parents. A high school students parent could encourage or sign their child up for various clubs or events around the city. Also, if the parent of the homeschooler is teaching their student, but neglecting their social development, then that child could be less developed then his or her peers. Not to mention that many high school students (here at least) have the option of enrolling in classes at the university during their junior and senior year. This option would both let them  take advanced classes, and let them talk to and develop alongside adults. Now, this response is not designed to belittle or make slight at your journal. Also, you have many valid points that do provoke thought and need to be looked at. Such as how the school system in general requires a look at to better accommodate its students, but it is not 'unquestionably stifling'. Yes, it could use a better design to encourage creativity, but, it does not crush it or destroy it. This is mainly due to the progressive teachers you mentioned, they now encourage, and help to make, more creative projects and assignments that also rope in more information so we learn more. As I said, you have many great points, but I can not help to feel that you place to little on what is good about it, and come off as someone who has not thoroughly looked up both sides, or at least the improvements that have been made. I will look forward to any response you have, and will clarify any vague or uncertain points about what I have written if you ask.
KichigaiKitsune
6 years, 8 months ago
Hoo, boy, the response to this is going to be large. Give me a little while...
DestructiveImpulse
6 years, 8 months ago
I don't understand what the big fuss is really. Ya there is abuse in public schools (people do bring weapons and stow them in there cars its mostly for show. It's not that bad. No matter where u stand ur gonna get the same amount of education. Also being stuck in a room with at least 35 other kids does not qualify as a social life. It introduces people but if the only talk at school then it's not true friendship. And for bullies it's mostly verbal abuse and at worse a few punches. There isn't mug violence at all. If u ignore them they will ignore u. However apparently I attract douchebags so they try to befriend me. However all they want to do is smoke weed and shit.
DestructiveImpulse
6 years, 8 months ago
Also I'm alittle confused. Were u homeschooled?
KichigaiKitsune
6 years, 8 months ago
No, that's my point. I don't think you or Anselm got what I was saying: I am NOT homeschooled, and I'm talking about my experiences in a public high-school. I've been in two high schools, in fact.

I'm not a homeschooled kid attacking public school, I'm a publicly schooled kid defending homeschooling. Both of you missed my point, I never said my experiences were common, just illustrating how stupid some of these anti-homeschooling arguments were.
KichigaiKitsune
6 years, 8 months ago
Hm, I'm sorry, but I need to respond to this. This is an example of the comments I'm talking about.
I didn't think this journal out properly, there's actually a friends-only journal preceding this that you can't see. In short, I'm not saying high schools are ultra dangerous place, I believe the absolutely, 100% opposite, and find it disgusting that schools are being given police, sniffer dogs, cameras and metal detectors.
My point is nothing more than: bullying is not a good reason to send your kids to school, you don't want them to be bullied. People use this as an argument AGAINST home-schooling, just saying that's wrong.

>Ya there is abuse in public schools (people do bring weapons and stow them in there cars its mostly for show.

As someone who brought weapons to school occasionally just in case I had to defend myself, merely being armed is not my problem.

>No matter where u stand ur gonna get the same amount of education.

Disagree. The education of high school students vary wildly due to many factors. Including bullying.

>being stuck in a room with at least 35 other kids does not qualify as a social life.

Yeah, definitely not. :S

 >for bullies it's mostly verbal abuse and at worse a few punches. If u ignore them they will ignore u.

That entirely depends on the bullies, and verbal abuse or a few punches is all you need to wreck a sensitive child's school life. The whole "don't react and they will go away" thing has been proven wrong many times. If you haven't actually been bullied, be careful to not confuse bullying for teasing.They're not the same thing, and just because you don't see it, it doesn't mean it doesn't happen. I'm quite certain I can ask 90% of the people in my class if they knew I was ever attacked outside of school and they'll say "no." Except for the guys that SAW it happen. It depends on the school, and when it does happen, you're not just going to magically know about it.

There are many misconceptions about what bullies are and do. No offense, but it seems you're confusing bullying for teasing. There's no argument about it, it's confirmed and known that bullying will wreck a kid's education and worse. It's not easy to "just ignore them" and some kids can't.

It puts kids at risk of truancy, depression (as in, real fuckin' clinical depression), inability to focus on their studies, suicidal thoughts/acts and just makes their life a misery.
"Kids who are bullied are three times more likely to show depressive symptoms, and up to nine times more likely to have suicidal thoughts... many bullying victims suffer in silence - in fact some research suggests that 20% of victims say nothing."

Bullying in schools is absolutely not something to shrug off and say "it's no big deal, ignore them and they'll ignore you." That's all. :3

>However all they want to do is smoke weed and shit.
Ah, happy times. :D
DestructiveImpulse
6 years, 8 months ago
Don't apologize every one is entitled to their own opinion and I greatly respect that. Imma try to respond in the same order as ur paragraphs At my school drug dogs, officers on duty, and cameras are 100% nessassary. We don't have metal detectors

Good to know ur armed and dangerous ;) however I don't own any weapons so when someone pulls out a fucking colt I can't help but worry.

As for same amount of education I meant all material was covered. The extent of knowledge provided can vary depending on many different factors. I'm assuming homeschooling is more elaborate and extensive.

Idk why people would think that occasionally making small talk constitutes a meaningful friendship. I'll never understand

The whole ignoring thing has worked for me. Maybe I worded it wrong. Acting like u don't give a fuck and just treating it like it's nothing. Maybe I'm an exception but I found that making a smart ass remark afte being insulted makes the small minded bully confused and disoriented. Plus if people actually laugh at ur comment that does damage to the offenders self esteem. It's a crap shoot though. I have been bullied thank u but Ive learned to keep around friends and better yet surround urself with people u like that will support u and girls. No one would do anything to harm a sweet pretty girl which describes alot of my friends. I recently was shoved straight into the lockers at my school and punched in the gut. My reply. "hey don't be mad at be just because your too big of an asshole to actually get chicks to talk to you." Well see if I survive the year later.

Like I said I know very well about bullying. My and alot of my friends have gone through hell. I do find that blowing it off does the trick.

I actually suffer from clinical depression. Ever since I can remember. I also have suicidal thoughts and have tried to kill myself what 3 times now. Always bailed out at the last minute because suicide is the cowards way out. It's not because of bullies though it's mostly because I suffer from severe anxiety. Oh ya I have ADHD too lol.

I have found away to be at peace with myself. I do it by blowing it off. I try to blend in but that's not always so easy. I'm a person everyone remembers for whatever reason.

The guys that smoke weed are not my friends. There's one kid named gerald who try's to act like ur friend just so he can stab u in the back and talk shit. Hes the kind of guy that will push u into the pond and say u fell then act like nothings wrong. (not a reference to tai) I know where they stand and there not friends or anything like that. Some are pretty ok but in general theyre terrible people and torment others. I havent been there to see it first hand but I know it happens and I try not to be associated with them.  
DestructiveImpulse
6 years, 8 months ago
Sorry if I came off arrogant. I know very much this subject and I also have had a knife pulled on me. Not at school though but at a football game. I don't know how y'all do it but where I live there is a school for 9th and 10th and another one for 11th and 12th. Any way when I was a sophomore some senior got pissed at me because I was talking it up with "his girl" who was a junior btw so I did have a shot. Anyway im a huge flirt and we talked about art and all this stuff and after the game in the parking lot he jumped me, pulled a knife on me and threatened to cut me if I ever tried to make a move on his girl again. Thankfully the year after that I was able to be in the marching band and that dick graduated.
KichigaiKitsune
6 years, 8 months ago
That's some crazy shit. :S

>I don't know how y'all do it but where I live there is a school for 9th and 10th and another one for 11th and 12th

We don't do that, no. Schools here are elementary/primary (grades 1-6/7) and secondary (7/8-12). Ultimately that doesn't matter, you rarely see any interaction between eighth graders and seniors. When I went to school, years 11 and 12 were not compulsory, so usually the kids were quite okay at that grade. Not perfect, but it was a bit of an improvement over junior high for me. Most of the dickheads left, and unlike America, "jocks" aren't the problem here so no dickheads stayed behind to further a basketball career or whatever.
DestructiveImpulse
6 years, 8 months ago
Ya it freaked me the fuck out. We have elementary; k-5. Middle;6-8. High; 9-10. Senior high;11-12. It's very uncommon and I'm in one of the few districts that does that. Most jocks are pretty alright guys tbh. By that I'm talking about the players that are actually good. The assholes are the ones that don't get the glory and barely made the team yet feel superior. Jocks aren't much of a problem and the ones u gotta watch out for are the ones that don't do anything at all. Their the people with nothing else to lose so they do whatever they want without consequence. Since high school is split up he only time upperclassman and lowerclassman meet is at the senior high football games.
KichigaiKitsune
6 years, 8 months ago
Firstly: "I have been bullied thank u"
Sorry for being presumptuous. Fact is, many of the people who respond like that have no idea what they're talking about. Sorry for assuming the same of you.

>At my school drug dogs, officers on duty, and cameras are 100% nessassary.

Why is that? This makes me very wary, because American schools on average are no more dangerous than other first world nations', never have been. Why are all of these things necessary in your school? That's a shitty atmosphere for a school. Either you and Tai have something in common (a shit school), or something has gone crazy there, and either way I'd want to get my kid out of there if I had one. As I say in that other journal:

"Either that school is being run like a prison for no good reason, and I won't let my kids be accustomed to surveillance and being treated like prisoners, or it's being run that way for a good reason and I'll be damned if my kids are staying there for more than the amount of time it takes for me to get the paperwork done."

Geez, me as a father. That's scary...

>however I don't own any weapons so when someone pulls out a fucking colt I can't help but worry.
I conceal-carry OC spray nowadays, that's all. I hope to fuck nobody is drawing guns at your school! Or leaving it in their car, which is even stupider. Or do you mean people keep horses in their pocket? >:3
Because the horses from Skyrim apparently would be awesome. http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punct...

>The whole ignoring thing has worked for me. Maybe I worded it wrong. Acting like u don't give a fuck and just treating it like it's nothing. Maybe I'm an exception...

Honestly, that might be likely. I commend you for having the guts to stand up to them like that. All I'm saying is that it doesn't always work that way. I'm saying that anecdotes and tales like yours don't change the facts that the majority of students that are bullied don't have adequate coping methods, can't blow it off, etc. Good on you though, and I hope the shitheads that are bothering you get penis cancer.

If you really feel that you're at peace and this stuff doesn't bother you, I believe you. But the second their bullshit gets out of hand, don't let them get away with it if you can. Bullies are wankers and deserve all they get.

>The guys that smoke weed are not my friends.

Sound like dickbags to me. I can tell you straight up that some of the most intelligent, funny and successful people I know are adults that smoke weed.
But in high school? About 90% of them were assholes. Not all of them. Juuuust most of them. It's not the weed, it just depends on where they come from. I smoked as a young teen, but I didn't come from a crappy area or a crappy family. A lot of young drug-takers do, and they tend to be dickheads for it.

I have to ask now, how old are ya?
DestructiveImpulse
6 years, 8 months ago
Hey it's no problem u didn't know

There is alot of shit that goes down. The third month of school someone was thrown out of a window. It was on the first floor but they had to go the hospital for lacerations. There was literally a trail of blood from the window to the nurses then to the parking lot. Weed and drugs are commonplace and most people have some form of a weapon. I live in Texas so that may explain it. Most people have knives but few do have pistols. There fucking crackheads but they wouldn't use them. Just for show. Plus everyone is a theif. If u take ur eyes off something for 5 minutes it's gone. Honestly I don't think it's that big of a deal anymore because no one really does anything and I've gotten used to it.

Ha it's not really having guys as much as it is I can't shut up. I believe it doesn't always work but the more u acknowledge them the bigger of a target you are. Also I wouldn't wish testicular cancer on my worst enemy. I think life is too valuable and that it's a blessing (at times). Funny u should pick that because my school is huge on finding a way to stop prostate cancer. No shave november :D

No they keep the guns in their cars. It's for show. Although a couple of seniors sometimes go off campus to shoot birds in the park. It's idiotic in my opinion. Especially since it's illegal to discharge a firearm on public property. The worst is when they use blanks cause a few seniors made the mistake of aiming at people while firing blanks. Theyre in jail at the moment.

I wouldn't let them get away with it don't worry I have too much pride.

I have no objections what so ever to pot. But in high school? Just no. They are assholes though and some I've known since I was 3 but most of em I just met.

Honestly I'm a junior but I signed on to read ur stories and that's it.
KichigaiKitsune
6 years, 8 months ago
My modem is going NUTS, so I'll reply to this later, but:

>"Honestly I'm a junior but I signed on to read ur stories and that's it."

You can probably tell from my stories and journals that I don't give the slightest damn about how old someone is. I was probably younger than you are now when I started writing erotic stories. *grins*
There's no way in hell I'm gonna judge you or tell you that you shouldn't be here. =)
DestructiveImpulse
6 years, 8 months ago
I said it on another comment and I'll say it again. I don't really like the sex and stuff in ur stories. I'm really not into that stuff. Not that there's anything wrong with it but it's not me. I actually found out about u through the Internet someone said u were a good writer and I was bored so I checked u out. The guy said that ur stories weren't about sex and no to be fooled by the site they were on. (cubcentral btw) I figured what the hell and I started reading astray. It was fucking amazing. Truth be told I skip past the sex stuff which is why I finished tais story as fast as I did. I still understand the storys though.

Also what the hell is a modem.
KichigaiKitsune
6 years, 8 months ago
I'm still online for some reason, ugh.

The modem is the actual part of a computer that lets it communicate online. It "modulates" the data from the computer into a way that can be transmitted through phonelines, fiber optics, etc. It's the part that's usually IN the computer, and it connects to a router, which then plugs into the wall. In the past, you never needed a router, and you'd actually plug the modem into the phone socket in the wall (it was called a "modem" because it modulated the digital signal from a computer into the analog signals used in phone lines).
If your computer is online, it has a modem in it somewhere. The network cable that plugs into the computer is actually plugged into the modem/network card.

In my case, I have wireless modem which works a bit like how a cell phone connects to the internet. Except it's shit.

As for the sex, I'm so glad that you said that. The sex stuff is not just mindless porn, though. As Tai's Story progresses, the sex scenes are more focused on their emotions and feelings. I have a rule: there's no sex for no good reason in any of my novels.

For example, in Astray. The "sex scene" illustrates Nick's sensitivity, fear and hidden feelings, and what Gary feels for him in return. It was never meant to be a pointless porn scene, but because sexuality is a part of the story too.
DestructiveImpulse
6 years, 8 months ago
Ah sorry I'm not good with technology.

Also I understand that and I get still get the same message. I still know what happened I just skip all the graphic details.
vulPN
6 years, 7 months ago
Lessee, where to start.

First off, even if I could afford to take the time I would not home-school my kids. I was a bit of a nerd as a kid, but at a couple different academic competitions I attended I was the jock in the room compared to some of those homeschooled kids who didn't appear to have seen sunlight in a few months. Did I win the competition? No. Was I the "cool" kid in the room? Absolutely.

It's important to have exposure to your age group, even if you consider yourself to be eons ahead of them in any measure of intelligence. You sometimes don't realize how much you pick up from them until you're away from them for an extended period of time, and suddenly you're out of the loop. Now, imagine having never been in the loop to begin with, and you have to enter at age 18. It's exceedingly difficult, and you become a socially awkward person, which for starters makes it hard to get a job; even if you are smart, if you can't interact with people then it's tough to get hired.

There are certainly exceptions to this, but this is the norm. Done right, I can see home schooling going really well, and for some parents it certainly does. But had I been homeschooled, chances are I would have never met the guy who was best man at my wedding. There are trade-offs to each.

What I'd really rather my kids attend (and what I wanted most to attend as a kid) is a nice private school. Those are stupid expensive, but they provide a much higher quality of education without the stigma of homeschooling or having your parents teach you. *shudder* Natrually, there are downsides to this as well, and from what I've heard bullying is even more of a problem at private institutions. And bullying is a HUGE problem. Unfortunately, it's not one that can be easily solved. The strangest thing I've discovered about it over time is that often the guys who are doing the bullying don't even consider it to be bullying. And no, you don't really learn how to deal with bullies in the park either. There's no place you learn to deal with them, anywhere.

I actually found college to be a welcome reprieve from the busywork world of high school. I actually enjoyed what I was learning about, and had a vested interest in doing the work. My grades skyrocketed in college; though I agree with you that my grades in school were no indication of my intelligence. I did get pretty burned out, as most kids do, just by the busywork format and the constant attempts to keep the stupid kids from flunking. It's a messed up system, but it's the only one I can offer.

And as to your "armed" post to someone else's response, being caught with so much as a pocket knife on you in any public school in America is grounds for expulsion. They take zero-tolerance VERY seriously.
DestructiveImpulse
6 years, 7 months ago
I think I need to clarify something. My school is one of the best in the nation. It administers more ap tests than any other school west of the Mississippi. Having a 3.6 gpa will put u in the bottom half of the class and the senior valedictorian this year has a 4.62 gpa. Gpa works weird here btw. A 100 in a regular class yields a 4.0. A 100 in an honors class earns a 4.5 and an ap class brings a 5.0. That means if he takes any honors class no matter what his gpa will drop. Also the guy who pulled a knife was making a hollow threat which I could tell. He also was smart in that he did it outside of the stadium in the parking lot which was out of the districts property thus their power. Alot of people do bring knives to school but with no intention to hurt anyone. Pulling it on another student or another form of aggression like threatening is grounds for expulsion and not many people are that stupid. Its not a lie that alot of people carry knives but one reason is that were allowed to fish on campus. Also in a way the school trusts us and treats us as adults. We can have it as long as we dont do anything stupid. Zero tolerance does exist at school but the administrators wont jump to any conclusion as to why someone has a weapon as long as the owner doesnt have a history of violence and trouble.

My school hard as hell. Im in precal honors (a grade ahead of what I'm supposed to be in and honors no less), honors english, band (I play trumpet, mellophone, and learning percussion), yearbook, webmastering, us history (It was ap or regs so while the class takes notes and fails the tests, I sleep all class and end up with a 97 for the semester), and honors physics the hardest class in history. Everyone I know that has graduated my school and gone into college says that it's significantly easier than my school. Kid that earned c's in every class became straight a students after they left. I earned 4 B's (all above a 87) and only 3 A's which shows that I did a poor job. I took the PSAT and got a 1820. If i ean that on the real sat I will get automatic admission to any school I want to go to and a 2500 dollar a year schoolarship to my dream school. That shows i am actually smart. It's not a bad school at all but cameras, officers and drug dogs are still completely essential due to a smalland very disturbed minority. I'm a pretty social guy at times. I went on a trip to Minnesota for journalism and got 8 girls numbers after 2 days and they were hot a hell. At school I'm a different person. The great thing about the high school being split up is that ur junior year is a fresh start. I'm not proud of the annoying and idiotic kid I was freshman year and now don't have to think about it. I told y'all all the bad in my school but I forgot to mention the good. Dont think I live in some hell because some retarded seniors to fried to think decided to pull a gun out of their trunks. Not much violence happens and when it does it's never with weapons. Bullying is another story. It frequently happens because apparently its funny to torture someone. I'll never understand it. If u want to be better than someone do so by making something out of yourself because picking on some fragil soul does absolutely nothing.
 
KichigaiKitsune
6 years, 7 months ago
That's sort of the funny thing. My schools were all considered to be one of the top schools in the state, and we had intense rivalries with the private, pretentious schools.

That only makes it worse to me though, that the "experienced" teachers in my "good" schools could drop the ball so much.

I'm glad to hear you're doing so well in school though, I sure as hell didn't.
That said, I took our equivalent of the PSAT and stomped over 85% of applicants (and I thought I did terribly, showing up with three hours sleep). I could've got into any university here, but I picked the nearest one. It's awesome, I'm just a shitty student.
DestructiveImpulse
6 years, 7 months ago
Private schools in my area are a joke. It's actually easier and the kids there are far inferior to us. Just some spoiled rich kids. And for PSAT top 90% out of the nation. 63% in my school. In my school I'm not doin well. I'm at the bottom half of my class.
KichigaiKitsune
6 years, 7 months ago
Huh, that's a good point.

"The great thing about the high school being split up is that ur junior year is a fresh start. I'm not proud of the annoying and idiotic kid I was freshman year and now don't have to think about it."

I don't know if that'd have helped much in high school - I was still a bit bitter when I went to my second high school. But in university I've had no problems.

Don't be too hard on yourself - or your younger self. I was an "idiot" in high school, but it was equal parts my own youth and the fact that I'd been under stress for years by that point already.  We've spoken a lot about high schools, but I'd already had trouble in elementary, so by the time I got to high school I was a liiiittle bit sick of it all.

If I'm having trouble in university now, it's not because I'm an idiot (even though I kind of am :D), it's because I spent ten, eleven years of my life trying to forget about school and run home immediately after the bell, and my "assignments" could go to hell. Now I'm in university/college, I'm kinda meant to give a shit about my assignments.
DestructiveImpulse
6 years, 7 months ago
From just talking to you, you dont seem like an idiot at all.
Also I here's a journal I made that will help u understand my situation and the stress in my life
https://inkbunny.net/journalview.php?id=26518
DestructiveImpulse
6 years, 7 months ago
Also I'm really glad u decided to come back to these old comments and continue these conversations
KichigaiKitsune
6 years, 7 months ago
Well, I did say I was planning on it. I don't like ignoring comments, even when I do it for a good reason (been very busy until recently).
KichigaiKitsune
6 years, 7 months ago
Late response, as always... Big one too. Sorry.

"It's important to have exposure to your age group, even if you consider yourself to be eons ahead of them in any measure of intelligence."

You actually missed my point. Though I disagree that you need to be forced into association with people "your age group" even if you find you don't fit in at all, it's still not the point. The point I'm making is that homeschooling does not PRECLUDE you from mingling with people and getting social interaction. Thus, what you're saying here has nothing to do with homeschooling - homeschooled kids absolutely can hang out with people their own age and they often do.

Really, your comment is an example of the problem here. How would it make it hard for you to get a job if your social experience was NOT exclusively with other teenagers in school but with adults out in the community? How would that make you socially awkward, or out of the loop? Employers don't care how well you get along with other teenagers, and the mark of a mature teenager is how well they act like an adult. You still seem to be confusing "being homeschooled and having social interaction with people of all ages" with "being a shut-in with no social life." That isn't true.

In the words of one of the kids talking about home-schooling on YouTube: "The number 10 best thing about being homeschooled is getting to hang out with my friends![/i]" ... just before she got chased around by a girl her own age. And as another said: "We just find friends in other places."

I understand home-schooling isn't always viable for parents. I'm not pointing fingers and saying "do this or you're a bad parent!" I'm just responding to the anti-homeschooling arguments and saying that, if you can or want do it, it's a good option because a lot of the anti-homeschooling arguments are bullshit.

Kinda off topic, but judging by the "*shudder*" you don't view the idea of being taught by your parents as pleasant. I know how you feel, but this is a BIG topic suited more to private discussion.

"you don't really learn how to deal with bullies in the park either"

The thing is, you can walk away in the park. You never have to see the wanker again. Or, you can punch him in the face when he tries to hurt you and not have to worry about some stupid teacher pulling you aside and blathering that "it takes two to fight!"
You're right, you can't really "deal" with bullies... unless you're able to fight back or properly avoid them, which you can't necessarily do when you're in the prison-like situation of school. The park isn't perfect, but it's better than the school cafeteria.

"...they provide a much higher quality of education..."
Funny you mention that. Maybe it's different in America, but here it's a source of amusement for "us" public schooled kids: private schools are often no better than in terms of education, but they're stricter, more bat-shit insane, arbitrary and religious. Would never send my kid to a private school here.

"I actually found college to be a welcome reprieve from the busywork world of high school. I actually enjoyed what I was learning about, and had a vested interest in doing the work."

Yup, that's how I got through my senior years in my second high school, but I was far TOO burnt out. I wanted nothing to do with it all. I scraped by on Cs and Ds while my teachers yelled at me for being the one who tutored and studied with the A+ students. I just couldn't make myself give a fuck.

And yeah, as for "zero tolerance"... the entire WORLD laughs at zero tolerance policies in American schools. I don't need to say much more than that. Worst move in the history of education, you MUST be able to take circumstance and individuals into account.
vulPN
6 years, 7 months ago
Couple o things here.

You have to remember that in America, we send less money to our public schools than we do to our sanitation department, partially to encourage people to cough up the extra dough for private schools (where profit is involved). Grades, dropout rates, and test scores vouch for their superiority.

And on the homeschooling-to-adulthood issue, you'll be entering the workforce at the same time as your of-age peers, and you'll eventually be either supervising them or have them as your supervisors, and co-workers. There's a marked difference between interacting with someone older, someone younger, and someone close to you in age. But I digress.

As for the zero tolerance deal... to be honest, I'm fine with kids being afraid to bring weaponry on school grounds. I think restrictions on plastic silverware are kind of silly, but leave the pocket knives at home. And there's flexibility to it; bringing one in accidentally can go from nothing at all to a few days suspension, if you don't declare it.
KichigaiKitsune
6 years, 7 months ago
"There's a marked difference between interacting with someone older, someone younger, and someone close to you in age. But I digress. "

It's not going to be a problem for a home-schooled kid because they'll have had experience with all three. That's my point. They do get experience with same age kids; and with older people, and with younger people. That's what I was saying.
In other words, people need to entirely drop the notion that home-schooled kids will necessarily be in any way socially handicapped. They get plenty of interaction with kids their own age.
The "HS kids are socially inept!" thing is part of a smear campaign against home-schoolers and it's a lie.

"You have to remember that in America, we send less money to our public schools than we do to our sanitation department"
So when it comes to education... *puts on sunglasses* America just doesn't give a shit. *

"I think restrictions on plastic silverware are kind of silly, but leave the pocket knives at home."
The problem here is you don't need a "zero tolerance policy" for that. It's just called School Rules. We didn't have zero tolerance nonsense in my schools but you still weren't meant to bring a knife into the classroom. If you had one, it would be confiscated and your parents called. No suspension necessary.

ZT policies have not had any benefit whatsoever, and that's not an opinion: it's objective fact, and educators hate the entire idea. They're being abused by racist or neurotic teachers (ethnic students are punished disproportionately via ZT breaches, and children are being grossly punished for "pizza guns" and drug (cough drop) dealing).
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-w-whitehead/zero-to...
Note the boy sent to a fucking reform school for 45 days for a knife someone else dropped in his lap to get him in trouble.

As for not bringing weapons to school, if I may guess, you're thinking as a parent: "Oh, I don't want my kids to have a weapon drawn on them by a dickhead in school."
You can look up in the comments here to see how a kid in school thinks, though: "I'm worried for my life, I should carry a weapon just in case I get attacked by a dickhead in school."
Not saying you're wrong to feel the way you do, but everyone has the right to be confident in their ability to defend themselves - even children. And we shouldn't deny them that right while also forcing them into the wolf pens we call schools.

As someone who DID carry a knife in school, it really doesn't bug me to know knives are in schools. If the knife is abused and drawn in an illegal manner, teachers should come down like a fucking tidal wave on the perpetrator, yes; but I don't believe teachers should get "tip offs" from students, demand access to a senior student's car, discover a small knife left there by accident, then suspend the decent student with no criminal record a few days before exams, which happened recently.

The problem is that it's either rigidly inflexible (teachers MUST punish students too harshly) or too flexible (teachers never have to apologize, back down or make reparations when they expel students for having "look alike drugs" like powdered sugar). Zero tolerance has to go; it alternates between pinioning teachers helplessly and giving them the power to be racist, power-tripping assholes immune from punishment, and it's literally being used to criminalize normal childhood behavior.

* - YEEAAAAA~ *bricked*
vulPN
6 years, 7 months ago
Sorry, carrying a knife isn't normal childhood behavior. And, especially in rural areas, there's no guarantee parents will do anything if you call them. The "if knives are outlawed, only outlaws will have knives" defense is flimsy and familiar. I found it quite comforting in my confrontation of a couple students over time (both as a student and later as an office worker) that the odds were reduced that I'd be slashed for my efforts.

Based on my experiences with homeschooled kids, the "smear" campaign is hardly that. They're either active in the church (and thus normal), deathly quiet, or downright bizarre. The notion that they will get that exposure is just as flawed as any claim of unanimity that they won't. They very well may get that exposure, but in the majority of cases I've seen they do not.
KichigaiKitsune
6 years, 7 months ago
Oh, Jesus FUCKING Christ, I wrote a response to this and my modem disconnected as I clicked reply - thanks to AVG, I didn't get asked to resend the data.

I'll rewrite it later, but here's the first thing:
"Sorry, carrying a knife isn't normal childhood behavior"

If this is referring to "it's literally being used to criminalize normal childhood behavior" you should re-read my comment and the article I posted above. I'm not talking about knives, I'm talking about ZT policies in general, as they have resulted in children being arrested, suspended or expelled for things like shyly calling a sub teacher "cute", playing cops and robbers while making "guns" with fingers and for splashing in puddles. I repeat: arrested and jailed for splashing in puddles at the age of 12.
That was what I meant by "criminalizing normal childhood behavior."

I'll write the rest later, but for now I'm just pissed off at my modem.
vulPN
6 years, 7 months ago
Many of those go far beyond simple ZT stuff. If they weren't in place, another reason would be found to do much of the same stuff. They're merely using it as the excuse. What I don't like are the security cameras everywhere and the police on-campus. THAT turns shoving matches into assaults.
KichigaiKitsune
6 years, 7 months ago
They're banning hats for having "armed" toy soldiers (gang insignia!) and expelling children, ruining their eligibility to get into their desired colleges, for shooting spitballs. Those aren't special cases of any kind, they're commonplace examples of what zero tolerance is and does. NOBODY agrees with Zero Tolerance policies, not the teachers, not the police, not the American Bar Association, not the APA, nobody.

Suspensions and expulsions, for more and more ludicrous things, have shot up since ZT policies were introduced, because ZT policies are defined by being strict, one-strike-and-you're-out, immutable rules with harsh punishments. That's what zero tolerance IS. If you don't want such stupid things happening, then you don't want ZT: you want "school rules". So, no, frankly those things are not going beyond "simple ZT stuff." That's exactly what zero tolerance policies are and do. There are far too many of these examples for you to try and pass them off as exceptions. And even if they ARE being used as excuses and shields for incompetence, why would you want to let them KEEP that excuse?

Zero Tolerance policies are a reaction to irrational parental fear and panic. There is NO evidence that they work (evidence to the contrary in fact). Everything you want, everything you're thinking schools need, can be handled without ZT.

ZT is rigid "one strike and you're out" bullshit. The entire world laughed at and rejected "three strikes and you're out" legislation/criminal codes. Why is it suddenly acceptable in schools with children? They deserve more chances, not less, and don't deserve to have a cough-drop treated the same as a shot of heroin.

My point stands. Zero tolerance policies are paradoxically too inflexible and too easily abused. You can't say "they'd just happen anyway" when school officials and attorneys are specifically pointing to ZT policies as the cause, and the cause of the massive increase in school arrests, suspensions and expulsions. Zero tolerance is an abomination and even if it doesn't criminalize normal behavior, it's causing schools to overreact.

If you really believe a kid should be punished for having a knife on him at school, for instance, that's fine, write that into the school rules and let teachers decide on what punishment is applicable. You don't need zero tolerance policies. You're attributing the good that simple discipline and rules can achieve to these batshit insane, easy to abuse policies.

I unequivocally disagree. Except for the part about the police and cameras, but hey, they're also a reaction to hysteria following Columbine and VT.
vulPN
6 years, 7 months ago
Again, this is the case of overzealous administrators being Fascists and then hiding behind ZT to excuse their power-trip behavior. You're getting hung up on the phrase; you seem to be suggesting strict rules against weaponry that had the same effect as ZT for weapons (that's a key) but wasn't called ZT would be okay.
KichigaiKitsune
6 years, 7 months ago
At any rate, back to the main topic.

You've already said:
"The notion that they will get that exposure is just as flawed as any claim of unanimity that they won't."
"Done right, I can see home schooling going really well, and for some parents it certainly does."

All I've been saying is: that's what I mean. I'm talking about homeschooling as an option, as an alternative to public schooling; not talking about "your experiences" alone. My complaint is when people disparage homeschooling (and home-schooling parents) based purely on the assumption that "if you are homeschooled, you will be socially inept." That's bullshit.
As I said, going to school won't make you socially apt, and being homeschooled is not going to make you socially inept.

If parents mishandle the idea, yes, absolutely. Yet, if you go to school and aren't suited for it, or suffer because of your peers, the system or the teachers, then you're certainly not going to be socially apt.
So I'm talking about home-schooling as an option and pointing out that, if done correctly, a child would actually benefit from it, socially.

It's been done, and not every home-schooling family is a bunch of hick rednecks that want to make sure their kids get a "good ol' religious up-bringin'". The fact you even mentioned church is a hint you're on another wavelength here: the truth is, much of the support home-schooling gets is from the kind of people who don't go to church at all. Home-schooling/unschooling is a mostly secular movement and it is NOT being used as a guise for religious indoctrination or hiding children away from the world.

Most homeschooling resources strongly recommend enrolling kids in sport clubs, social groups, letting them play outside and so on. I don't know if you are, but if you are imagining the stereotypical "isolated, church-going, religious home-schooled kid" then stop, because that has no bearing on the home-schooling/un-schooling community at large. Australian and British home-school kids are not like that, and from what I've heard, the majority in the US aren't really either, though it's more common.

Ultimately, we agree on this already. People have misinterpreted this journal enough already: all I said was that home-schooling/public-schooling is no guarantee of social aptitude or otherwise. I acknowledged that the potential was there for kids to get more social exposure when they're home-schooled, but I never said they would get it if the parents were irresponsible. Why are we arguing? :S

As for knives being a part of normal childhood behavior... well, my little Swiss army knife I got when I was seven disagrees with you, but this topic is dragging on. :P
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