"There not taliban, taliban only exist in north west pakistan, your fighting ordinary afghans who are tired of Americans in their country" - YouTube dickwit.
The politics of Afghanistan are beyond the ken of a fuckskull who cannot discern between "your" and "you are."
Seriously though, this is hilarious. No, the enemy over there is not "ordinary Afghans" and please, please do not try to portray the insurgency over there as a bunch of "honorable freedom fighters sick of occupation." This isn't 1975 and the international coalition is not the USSR.
This is exactly what I was talking about - the entire picture of Afghanistan's social landscape is being simplified by both sides of the political fence to the point of fantasy.
Firstly, the invasion of Afghanistan was not the invasion of a peaceful country. It was the invasion of a country already at war with itself.
If I MUST simplify this for people... there were two distinct sides to the conflict before the USA got involved, in this civil war that has been continuing for over thirty years now. The coalition actually 'joined forces' with one of these groups, let's see if you can guess which:
1: The Taliban, a group of educated, organized fundamentalists, supported by international mujahideen (i.e., what could be termed "Islamic Holy Warriors"), notably Al-Qaeda, and supported heavily by Pakistan to the point that most of the Taliban's troops were actually Pakistani soldiers, known for slaughtering their own people. Don't joke for one second that the Taliban was a benign organization.
2: The United Islamic Front (Northern Alliance). Afghans. Regular Afghans. Not people from other countries striving for an international religious goal. Allied tribes that didn't want to live under Taliban reign.
Which group stood by the coalition's side to evict the other? The regular Afghans.
It is true that Afghanistan is more fractured than even that. It is a massive oversimplification (though that seems to be what people like) to say that the situation over there is merely "an international fundamentalist Qutbist/Sunni group" versus "regular Afghans" but it's shocking how many people don't understand the nature of the insurgency over there. Yes, some of them will be native Afghans, of course - arguably, that includes the Taliban.
Either way, don't glorify them. Don't be on their side. The insurgents aren't fighting for freedom or autonomy from "American invasion."
Most of these people really are religious nutcases who believe that the ends justify the means. That every good Muslim should give to the cause of the 'international Islamic state' - even eight-year-old children.
Religious extremism to the point where you would kill "heathens" and use innocents as shields (which they absolutely do) and see no problem with it because you're convinced you're right with your God is despicable and insane regardless of what flavor it comes in.
Regular Afghans, regular Muslims, are going to work, terrified that some fundamentalist/Salafist nutcase is going to blow up his place of work or worship. They're too busy being normal people. The insurgents are devout fundamentalists who came from all over the Islamic world to fight for the "cause" - the "cause" of massacring the middle-east into submission and the suppression or elimination of non-Muslims.
Stop this. I'm terrified when I see people who imply, even indirectly, that terrorism is laudable or excusable. These aren't "righteous Afghans" fighting back against the evil, greedy empire of the USA, whether in the middle-east or overseas.
These are fucking insane terrorists killing innocents, be they American, Afghan, Iraqi or otherwise, in furtherance of an insane religious goal.
Has America been blameless over there? Shit no. I'm not making excuses for anyone, least of all people who murder civilians (because Marines are totally known for that, assholes). It's the ignorant fuckers making excuses for EITHER side that I'm getting annoyed at.