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I actually liked the Kingdom Chums cartoon. It was a well thought out little slice of music that was a real change of pace from Sacred Heart's constant barrages of "Superbook" and "Greatest Adventure Stories". But as i grew, so did my ability to read more then just the stuff my preacher told me to. That started me to thinkin...

My friend
Meridianbat
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and I put our evil minds together and thought that if the Chums had "devil's advocates" to point out the many holes in the children's lessons. Not only would it add more dimension to the characters, but it would give more critical thinking skills to the kids watching the show.

Little Mama Miriam.... WHO THE HELL SAID A KID SHOULD BE THE ONE TO TELL OTHERS NOT TO KILL!? Not that I don't get that whole children are innocents angle, but let's face it if you show a kid just one of the bloody death filled scenes of the Bible, and I promise you they would dump the religion and kick God in the holy nuts for letting his followers do this stupid shit.

That being said, her song wasn't exactly the most clear. Yes its supposed to say "Yes you can push hatred aside and find a better way..," but when the chorus is "yes, you can." It tends to send mix messages. And if that's not a description of religions in a nut shell, then I don't know what is.

Ramus Badger is the Kingdom Scum of Anger. He is the embodiment of all things violent in the bible (he's a big guy because its a lot of violence). To him the blood shed is no big deal, he is only confused by God saying not to kill, and yet the Israelites, Catholics, Canaanites, Babylonians (the list goes on) think that wars and murder are something God wants. And if you wanna read a story of total WTF, go read Genesis 22:5 to 22:8. Why the hell would God punk this guy so harsh?!

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Published: 12 years ago
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LoneWolf23k
12 years ago
And that's why it should be pointed out that the actual Commandment is "Thou Shalt Not Murder". Killing in Self-Defense, or because God told you so, is perfectly fine...
asuraludu
12 years ago
Sacred Heart School:  Teaching the commandments via babelfish and beer since.... whenever XD
Alfador
12 years ago
Depends on the translation. @_@
asuraludu
12 years ago
And man are there a lot of translations.
vampirekun
11 years, 12 months ago
"That's OK, I didn't kill her... it was only manslaughter and that's awwright with the bible :D"

people are not even sure what murder means (as opposed to manslaughter which sounds worse but is not)
vampirekun
11 years, 12 months ago
... now I've gotta watch this... thank's ludu
asuraludu
11 years, 12 months ago
You're welcome.
vampirekun
11 years, 12 months ago
srsly christians... "I didn't mean it! You're my buddy. I care about you. I mean I love you!" ?
Do I even have to comment that?
NB
NB
11 years, 10 months ago
Trying to watch this but the dialogue is getting on my nerves...particular the way that one kid says -believable....

And just don't ask a believer about this they'll just use their go to response: To test his faith.
asuraludu
11 years, 10 months ago
Trying to watch this but the dialogue is getting on my nerves...particular the way that one kid says -believable...
-It is extremely dated in that fact, but just hit the mute button on anything that isn't a song and you'll be fine.  If you really want to have something ear splittingly bad,  watch the sequel https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTFkw5RNcXY  The character designs are terrible, the subtle perv jokes aint so subtle (especially if you've read the bible story of David), and the music sucks.

And just don't ask a believer about this they'll just use their go to response: To test his faith.
- Or throw stones and cast him out as a heretic.
NB
NB
11 years, 10 months ago
Yea they've done that before too, many times. And yes the designs are far worse in the David's Adventure one, they look more like Saturday morning cartoon rejects in that than the Top Ten one.
IceAgeChippies
1 year, 12 months ago
I need to listen to the song again with this in mind and see what I think of it.

If I have any thoughts not already commented here, I'll reply with them (dunno when I'll get to listening, but it'll be soon as my curiosity's up). :3
IceAgeChippies
1 year, 12 months ago
Ok, I re-watched and have thoughts (for better or for worse); these are they:

I see the issue,

OSBOURNE: "You know what I want? I wanna rip your head off, smart guy! Wait'll I get my hands on you!"

PETEY: "Sorry, Osbourne, but you can't even get up this hill!"

MIRIAM: "Oh, yes you can!"

The forced use of the phrase 'Yes You Can!' is awkward here; I'm unsure who Miriam is applying it to (Osbourne?).

Technically, yes: most anyone can kill another person if they choose to, so Miriam isn't wrong about that! Xd ...or wouldn't be, at least, if that's really what she meant (but, again, it's unclear).

Later,

OSBOURNE (of Petey): "I know what I wanna do---Kill this guy!"

PETEY: "Knock it off, Osbourne!"

MIRIAM: "Now's the time to say 'I can', and show you love your fellow man; never hate just for kicks---'Do Not Kill' is Top 10 Number six!"

Hm. I get where you're coming from with this,

"Sure she points out many things you can do to quell your temperature, but never out right makes the distinction of the no killing rule"

True, Miriam doesn't say outright not to kill, but,

SINGER (singing): "They say 'Don't kill', now that's not very odd, since we're all created by God"

MIRIAM (singing): "Learn to love, it's easy to to get mad, a force within says 'Go ahead, be bad!'; Take a breath, say a little prayer, think of it---you've got love to spare!"

Additionally, we get "Don't kill; say you never will" repeated several times.

The intended message IS there, but it is obscured.

One has to sort of imagine it's the default, willful choice to go against the 'Thou Shalt Not Kill' commandment. Moreover, it's assumed the willing choice is to follow the commandment.
In light of that, to say 'Yes You Can!' applies to following the commandment, against the temptation not to.

But, yes, I have to agree with you. Again, the intended message is there, but I had to do some mental gymnastics to arrive there.
asuraludu
1 year, 12 months ago
Absolutely correct.  As a little sprog, i was all for a good mind bender.  I always wondered 3 major things.
1-  Why was the cub in charge of the murder rule?
2-  Why was she named "Momma?"  If it was a ref to Mother Mary its too loose.  
3-  Why was her song the most confusing without listening to every lyric?

Now as i got older, I pretty much figured it out.  Though why did she only get the 1 song?  Everyone had 2 and then the final song was the whole cast.  She actually did have a really nice voice.
IceAgeChippies
1 year, 12 months ago
Ah. Probably due to time constraints; they packed a lot into an hour ...I may even say too much, as the special feels a bit rushed in places.
The appeal of the special, for me, is the somewhat scritchy-scratchy nature of the cell drawings. I like semi-unpolished cartoon art (such as that seen from Disney's 'Xerox era'); drawings should look like drawings (the art here does it for me). :3
asuraludu
1 year, 11 months ago
The xerox Era of animation is my favorite collection of Disney cartoons.   The rough lines, the subdued and somehow still rich colors, and playfully watching scenes and seeing what was reused.  I honestly feel I learn more by watching them each time.
IceAgeChippies
1 year, 11 months ago
<3
FoxyIbLover
1 year, 10 months ago
loool
asuraludu
1 year, 10 months ago
😁
FoxyIbLover
1 year, 10 months ago
🤣
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