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This is a bit of a combination piece.

First of all, haven't drawn in a very long time. And am really needing to get hand back into things.

Secondly, have never drawn a vehicle before, and have wanted to try one for a while. This happens to be a type of vehicle (American muscle) that I rather enjoy and like. Sure, they might not be able to turn, but in a straight line they are rather fantastic... other than having the aerodynamics of a brick. And, unfortunately kinda screwed up the front wheel. Need to get hand back in more, yeesh.

Thirdly, all of the 'punch a nazi' artworks, and all of the journals and things that have been going on stating that ONLY ONE GROUP is horrible and needs to be removed. Not other groups that share similar mindsets, not other ideologies that are more dangerous and have killed far more. No no. Just one. One is evil, and anyone who has ever gotten or done any art of them dressed as this 'greatest of evil' ones, is also evil and needs to be removed. So, wanted to draw me in uniform. Nothing too interesting, and far enough away that it is almost impossible to tell what kind of uniform it is. Heh.

Finally, really liked the flag I made, and wanted an excuse to draw it again. So it is there on the bonnet.
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Created using watercolour pencils, some ink pens and white paint.

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Published: 6 years, 8 months ago

Rating: General

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Stumpycoon

6 years, 8 months ago

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A bit too heavy-handed there with the uniform. I see what you were trying to do with the flag and car though.

Was it a dodge charger in the Dukes of Hazard, by the way?

ZeloxQuo

6 years, 8 months ago

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@ Stumpycoon

Yes indeed, a 1969 Dodge Charger I believe.

Yeah, the uniform can be taken to be too heavy handed, can understand that. It is just with the plethora of 'extreme violence against other groups that we label as bad' through text, talk and artworks is kinda frustrating to me. Seems to have gotten to the point of propaganda, and it is worrying.

Not only that, it seems that the normalisation of violence by the far left, is now, finally, being matched by the far right. It is becoming more and more extreme and this is most definitely dangerous.

I mean, just look at all of the news articles that were saying 'violence is fine so long as it is against groups we don't like, and people we falsely label to be a part of said groups'.

Stumpycoon

6 years, 8 months ago

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@ ZeloxQuo

I was wondering "wasn't it Supernatural that had the famous dodge charger" but then remembered, no, that was an impala.

As for extreme violence, the group that is being criticized is the one that is responsible for attempted mass murder using a car to mow down a counter-protest.  That is, literally 'extreme violence against other groups that we label as bad' to use your words.

But hey, there was a 'punch a nazi' meme, which is so much worse violence right?

Sorry but no, the far right is not 'matching' anything.  And the reason the far right is getting criticized is for their actions, like James Fields' premeditated actions.  And even if someone else did something bad like make a 'punch a nazi' meme, it does not justify atrocities in response.

Even if the alt left had committed some atrocity, it wouldn't make it fine and fair for the alt right to commit an atrocity in response.  (And vice versa, like if someone decides to pull a James Fields through an alt-right rally).

P.S. I know you pretty well, so I know you're not trying to reference "charging into battle" with your car as a threat against those who disagree with the alt-right.

ZeloxQuo

6 years, 8 months ago

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@ Stumpycoon

Antifa is also responsible for constant violent assaults and destruction of property that has caused irreparable damaged to hundreds of people's homes and livelihoods. Antifa have caused heaps of people to go to hospital, potentially blinded several and destroyed the livelihood of hundreds. They are, frankly, just lucky that they haven't killed anyone... yet.

The far left has also coddled and supported Islam, and constantly stated that one terrorist who follows Islam does not make the whole of Islam bad. While still allowing hate preachers to continue spreading hate.

BLM is responsible for pulling people out of vehicles, and beating them on the ground. Thankfully no deaths have resulted from it... other than the BLM inspired shooters who killed a few cops though.

Oh and the far left shooter at the baseball field. And the acceptance of the left saying that this was good...

But as soon as someone on the far right looses it, and thankfully doesn't plan the attack well (he could have taken a note from the Islamic playbook and rented a truck if it was planned), and kills someone. Bam, all of the group is bad. Not any of those other groups. No no. Not any of those other killings and attempted killings. No no. That is just fine. Or at least all of that history building up to this point can be ignored because. THIS ONE THOUGH!

Yes the far right is indeed matching the far left. Look at all of that violence that the far left has been doing for months now. It has nothing to do with drawings and memes. It has to do with actions.

Even if the alt left had committed some atrocity, it wouldn't make it fine and fair for the alt right to commit an atrocity in response.

Of course it wouldn't make it right! It would just mean that there is an escalation. And that is what I am talking about. The escalation that is going on right now.

But hey, there was a 'punch a nazi' meme, which is so much worse violence right?

Not sure if you are actively trying to take me out of context and make it seem like I was saying that the meme is worse than violence or not. I was saying that this started with the left. With the apologetics. With the support of violence. With the VIOLENCE and DEATHS. And now, FINALLY, the right has started to do it too.

I oppose all of the violence, and strongly believe it to be the wrong course of action.

Violence should only be used in self defence and competition, not to attack those without provocation to whom you have a different political view. That is dangerous, and morally horrible.

I really don't know why you took a comment about what was frustrating to me about the artworks, text, talking and news articles that have been going on for months now. And then equate it to a recent horrible real life event. Those are two completely separate things.

P.S. Glad you do.

Stumpycoon

6 years, 8 months ago

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@ ZeloxQuo

One person doing something wrong doesn't justify someone else doing something wrong.

All of those examples of antifa people being bad does not justify what alt-right people are doing.

All of the examples of alt-right people being bad does not justify what antifa people are doing.

Do you get that?

ZeloxQuo

6 years, 8 months ago

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@ Stumpycoon

Yes absolutely!

As I said before: I oppose all of the violence, and strongly believe it to be the wrong course of action.

Violence should only be used in self defence and competition, not to attack those without provocation to whom you have a different political view. That is dangerous, and morally horrible.

I was merely stating that the justification for, and even celebration of political violence in this current climate was established by the far left. And now, the far right is doing it too. Both of which, in my eyes and mind, is horrible.

Stumpycoon

6 years, 8 months ago

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@ ZeloxQuo

you say that you understand one side doing wrong doesn't justify another side doing wrong...then advocate exactly that.

Blaming the far left (falsely, I might add) for 'political violence' doesn't excuse actual violence from the far right.  Even actual violence wouldn't justify more actual violence.

And you keep talking like it's a special case for the far right, or okay if they do it, or okay if the far right is violent because you can accuse the far left of the same...but it is still not okay.

ZeloxQuo

6 years, 8 months ago

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@ Stumpycoon

This is a very strange response indeed. If I didn't know you better I would think that you were being disingenuous on purpose.

But, you may have misread/misunderstood what I have been saying, because everything you said there is not what I have been saying at all.

First of all. If you can find me advocating for one side doing wrong because the other side did wrong, please link it here. In full context. Because that is something that I have NEVER advocated for. In fact, I am opposed to violence.

Next up.

Yes, the far left has done a lot of ACTUAL VIOLENCE. Heaps of it. As briefly outlined earlier. There has been probably over one million dollars of damage to property, many people taken to hospital and even folks killed. That is actual violence. That is actual political violence, because it was violence done for a political reason.

And then to top it off, the left leaning media has been reporting favourably on the violence. Even going so far as to say 'yes it is ok to punch a nazi' and other such things. Antifa was the group to START using violence as a mob tactic, taking weapons and defensive instruments to protests, for the sake of attacking and causing injury. And, for the areas they chose, such as Berkeley, the police were nowhere to be seen, and did not arrest folks. This then escalated the violence, and that anyone who wanted to just peacefully protest needed to bring defensive items and weapons, just to prevent attacks from antifa.

I condemn all of that.

And then the alt right has a rally, in which there are some legitimate nazis present. And they bring weapons. As has been normalised by antifa and the left. And they attack folks. And an insane person runs down a crowd with a vehicle.

I condemn all of that as well.

However, I could easily take your comment of: Blaming the far left (falsely, I might add) for 'political violence' doesn't excuse actual violence from the far right.

And hone in on the incorrect use of "falsely, I might add" to be an indication that you believe that the left leaning groups have committed no violence thus far (which is patently false, as I briefly outlined in an earlier reply). If you to indeed believe this, then you are, in a way, advocating for violence from the left and justifying it. Because, by pushing it away and pretending that it doesn't exist, you are allowing other to pretend that it doesn't exist as well, even though it is actual violence, and it does actually exist.

I just happen to condemn violence from both sides when violence is used.

As I have said before, and then needed to say again: I oppose all of the violence, and strongly believe it to be the wrong course of action.

Violence should only be used in self defence and competition, not to attack those without provocation to whom you have a different political view. That is dangerous, and morally horrible.

I would have prefered in the early cases such as Berkeley, that the police stepped in, protected people from actual violence (and in this instance, political violence) and arrested everyone who attacked anyone else. From both sides.

And that, in these current cases where the police were again, suspiciously absent, they were actually present and arrested anyone who attacked anyone else FROM BOTH SIDES. To keep the peace and protect those who need protecting.

Just because the left has been normalising violence for political reasons, AKA political violence. And the left leaning news organisations have been stating that this is good and ok, justifying and supporting said violence. That doesn't mean that the escalation that they have created is a good thing, nor does it justify the actions of the right. It is just a matter of... this is the climate we are in and I dislike, and disagree with, all steps that have gotten us this far.

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