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by Aogami
The Elfinator
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AZARIAN
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Friend of mine is having some real problems with extremely rude and difficult commissioners so I made this to cheer her up. xD

EDIT: Part two from the other side, as promised :)

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commission 41,413, comedy 2,126, guide 199
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Type: Picture/Pinup
Published: 6 years, 5 months ago
Rating: General

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LittleOrion
6 years, 5 months ago
Goofus is still my favorite. even if he is a goof.
Aogami
6 years, 5 months ago
He IS hilarious ~ :B
LittleOrion
6 years, 5 months ago
yays
vyletrakun
6 years, 5 months ago
Wow nice reference XD Havent heard Goofus and Gallant in a really long time lol
Aogami
6 years, 5 months ago
I grew up with Highlights for Kids so anytime someone does something rude or stupid I think about it xD
vyletrakun
6 years, 5 months ago
Same here lol Every doctors or dentists office visit was made that much better by goofus, gallant and find the hidden objects <3
Aogami
6 years, 5 months ago
hahaha so true. So true xD
vyletrakun
6 years, 5 months ago
I'm not gonna lie, I kinda want a subscription to Highlights now Buuuuuuut I think it would be creepy since the youngest person in my house is 20 :/
Aogami
6 years, 5 months ago
the mailman doesn't know that :P
nekkofox
6 years, 5 months ago
A good reference for commissioners...
Aogami
6 years, 5 months ago
I suppose I could have also called it a common sense guide to life and getting along with people xD
nekkofox
6 years, 5 months ago
As they say, "Common sense isn't very common."
Aogami
6 years, 5 months ago
xD so true
nekkofox
6 years, 5 months ago
Truer words have never been spoken.
Norithics
6 years, 5 months ago
I remember Goofus and Gallant!
Awesome~ :>
Aogami
6 years, 5 months ago
we should all remember Goofus and Gallant. They were paragons of good and evil to us all as children xD
MightBeFurry
6 years, 5 months ago
Gallant, I try to live by your example. Maybe I've raised an exception and requested a change once or twice, but drag me over carpet tacks if I get to be that insufferable as Goofus here. I fret over hoping the artists I commission like or at least tolerate working on my pieces, because then I trust it'll get the time, attention and care for which I'm paying.
Aogami
6 years, 5 months ago
The point isn't to say that a commissioner doesn't deserve to get a product they're happy with. They are paying money after all. It's more about common courtesy, respect and treating an artist like a person and not a vending machine. As an artist if my client is unhappy with the image I produce then I'm unhappy because I've done a poor job. I want to work together with my commissioners like a team to create an image they like and that I'm proud of.
vicwuff
6 years, 5 months ago
Gallant seems like a chump. I bet he's been scammed a whole bunch.
kitaness
6 years, 5 months ago
I'm not sure how phrasing his requests like a well-adjusted adult makes him more vulnerable to fraud. The majority of artists take payment upfront due to people like the first guy there and if anything being an asshole is going to make them more likely to scam you.
vicwuff
6 years, 5 months ago
Well that assumes that the commissionee is a well-adjusted and mature adult and not just a jerk. Can you honestly assert that a plurality of people who take commissions are are such?
kitaness
6 years, 5 months ago
Most of the artists I've worked with have been reasonably professional.
Either way, being a decent person doesn't expose you to fraud. It's also unreasonable to approach artists assuming that they're going to be jerks just because some other artist was a jerk to you. I certainly wouldn't like it if every artist automatically assumed that I was going to be a demanding asshole.
Aogami
6 years, 5 months ago
relax. I plan on doing one of these for the other side of the equation.

Anyways the point is to be a mature respectful adult. If you act like a raging jerk from the outset, you can't expect anything but the same from the person you're working with and I guarantee you'll get poor results. Sure if you're civil and respectful to everyone you're going to get shit on sometimes, that's inevitable. But it's simple common courtesy - you treat others how you'd want to be treated. If you treat artists like shit, you'll get treated like shit back. If you treat them like people, with respect and human decency, more often than not they'll recognize that and try and work with you to produce something you're happy with.
Aogami
6 years, 5 months ago
Really? Cuz I tend to give people like Gallant the benefit of the doubt. I enjoy working with people who respect me, and when they come back to ask if they can work with me again I'm always happy to say yes and accommodate them.
kitaness
6 years, 5 months ago
That and I think Gallant is The Riddler, so you probably wanna  stay on his good side ^^;;
Thanatos
6 years, 5 months ago
oh my

Is gallant a ? because he doesn't exist?


Can there be a goofy gallant?
Aogami
6 years, 5 months ago
rofl well I was thinking of making him look like Gallant in the comic but in the comic Gallant looks like a nerd so I figured it's best to leave it up to your imagination
Thanatos
6 years, 5 months ago
Oh my! oo la la Goofus the artist

I still think a goofy gallant would better represent.  We all have our good and bad days.  But yes, a little understanding goes a long way.
Aogami
6 years, 5 months ago
Well that's sorta the point. Nobody is always one or the other but we should all strive to be more like Gallant
Cry
Cry
6 years, 5 months ago
Oh my gosh XD I know EXACTLY what you mean with this XD I love how you depicted it -u- so much truth.
Aogami
6 years, 5 months ago
haha I've run into plenty of both and a good mix in between x3
Zeikcied
6 years, 5 months ago
Goofus and Gallant.  Awesome. *thumbs up*

I try to be a Gallant.  Well, at least in this context. XD
Aogami
6 years, 5 months ago
rofl we should all strive to be more like Gallant. In my experience you do alright :)
Zeikcied
6 years, 5 months ago
Sadly I've seen a few popular artists take the Goofus route on handling commissioners.  What's worse is that they have fans who agree with that stance. *sigh*
Aogami
6 years, 5 months ago
It's a two way street. Respect and common courtesy is the grease that keeps these relationships stress free and moving :B
Tycloud
6 years, 5 months ago
but im always polite... :(
Aogami
6 years, 5 months ago
This isn't directed at anyone in particular don't worry haha
Cry
Cry
6 years, 5 months ago
I bet =O with all the art you do =P
Joeyboy
6 years, 5 months ago
You are quickly becoming one of my favorites.
Aogami
6 years, 5 months ago
haha oh good ~ I should do another one of these for the artist side too :P
Meanie108
6 years, 5 months ago
Goofus wouldn't be so funny if handled by someone else. BECAUSEITWOULDN'TBEPERFECT,IPAYEDGOODMONEY.
Aogami
6 years, 5 months ago
The point isn't that the commissioner should accept poor quality work that he's unhappy with - it's that an artist should be able to expect a modicum of respect and common decency from their employers, just as the commissioner should expect the same from the artist.
thekzx
6 years, 5 months ago
amen
Aogami
6 years, 5 months ago
hallelujah brother!
Azadeth
6 years, 5 months ago
I am very proud to say that I buy lots of commissions and every artist agrees that I'm excellent at it. I try not simply because it's the right thing to do, but because I know people like Goofus do exist and I hope to offset the bad experience of dealing with them.
Aogami
6 years, 5 months ago
On their own, artists should be aware that not everybody on the internet is an asshole. On the other hand I can understand how some of them become jaded and cynical about it over time xD
VentKazemaru
6 years, 5 months ago
I almost forgot about Highlights til now!
Aogami
6 years, 5 months ago
xD I love that stuff ...
Paynecabal
6 years, 5 months ago
I always tried to be a Mr Gallant.
...
Still does not help with my 2 pending commission artists who have been diddling the work I paid for ... since January.
Aogami
6 years, 5 months ago
Yeah, some artists have obscenely long wait times. I try to be the Gallant of artists and make sure I'm prompt but it can be hard, especially if you have a personal life. At least they should be keeping you updated!
Paynecabal
6 years, 5 months ago
Thanks for giving the other side of the coin too!
I wish I could forward this to the people in question without offending them.   ^_^;
Aogami
6 years, 5 months ago
rofl just repost it everywhere and hope they see it? hahaha
Luvythicus
6 years, 5 months ago
Better view of her "face"

Giggity.
Aogami
6 years, 5 months ago
rofl well I figured it'd be better if I could post this anywhere :P
TrentSnow
6 years, 5 months ago
I try not to be Goofus...but I know I probably am some times with out realizing it.
Aogami
6 years, 5 months ago
Don't worry, everybody has off days. The key is recognizing it and making an effort to change :)
TrentSnow
6 years, 5 months ago
My thoughts exactly. :3
DELETEDDyingBlackHeart
6 years, 5 months ago
I remember then from the Highlights magazine's when I was a lil kid haha I use too be subscribed too Highlights =3 .. I loved the Goofus and Gallant comics
Aogami
6 years, 5 months ago
Yeah my grandparents used to renew my subscription every year until I was about twelve or so
DELETEDDyingBlackHeart
6 years, 5 months ago
oh wow cool hehe my parents use too do the same thing :)
BeckTiger
6 years, 5 months ago
I had a certain well-known artist do a commish for me, and i paid him a month in advance of when he said he'd have it ready.  I meet up with him at a con, and he says he dun have it ready, but he'll have it by con's end.  He shows me a sketch that same day, and I approve, everything looked right.  I approached him the day he said he'd have it done, and he didn't, with no valid excuse.  Fast forward to a MONTH LATER, and many many messages left, he finally gives me a finished black and white inking, and he changed the second character to a different species and ranted and raved about how much I bugged him and how I should've been more patient and kept my mouth shut, blah blah blah...  

I'm not gonna name names, but the initals are G.M.  That is all.  *grumble* ><

-Tiger
Aogami
6 years, 5 months ago
There's always a give and take. If he promised you stuff and didn't deliver, that's his failing as an artist. As a commissioner you need to be understanding when delays happen. It can be difficult to straddle the line between checking up and pestering an artist for stuff they owe you. I've heard many horror stories about artists who simply don't respond to messages even when the deadlines are passed, and then complain about being harassed by commissioners who were just trying to figure out what had happened to them. It's a tough call on both ends.

Since I'm on the artist's side of this more than the commissioner's I probably tend to be more understanding than I ought to be. But I see things like artists taking three or four months to complete three or four hours worth of work and it always gives me pause. I've actually forgotten to do commissions before and had people come up to me a few months later and go "Hey, uh just checking that you still wanted to do my commission." and had to backpedal like crazy and apologize like a madman, so checking up isn't a bad thing.

BUT. That being said, you should try and keep it to a minimum. I suggest that you establish deadlines for different stages of the work - i.e. sketch, lineart, color, and if a deadline passes without hearing from the artist THEN you should message them and figure out if you need to re-structure the deadlines, get a refund etc.

But having him change the species on one of your characters is enough for you to at least demand that they fix it, if not give you a partial (or full) refund. If I messed it up that badly I'd offer to fix it first and then if you still weren't happy with it we'd have to discuss it further.
BeckTiger
6 years, 5 months ago
That reminds me x3....I do have a commission request and all that, but I haven't entirely decided what it is yet. :P
Aogami
6 years, 5 months ago
haha well just let me know when you do :)
Delicious
6 years, 5 months ago
I lol'd multiple times.  This is a great lesson with great examples.  :)

I feel quite grateful that all of my commissioners have been wonderful and patient people so far, though I've only gone through about four commissions.  Of course, I've always been a bit worried that I'll have a Goofus one day.  I assume with your decision to make this that they're actually notably common.

I always put in more effort for the Gallants than I do with even my personal artwork, though.  Some people just display an unprecedented amount of respect to the point that I wish I could do better than my best for them.
Aogami
6 years, 5 months ago
I love it when that happens ~ when a person just inspires you to do work that exceeds your own expectations :3
mousehwolf
6 years, 5 months ago
This should be posted somewhere XD
Aogami
6 years, 5 months ago
feel free
Cry
Cry
6 years, 5 months ago
Page 2 is much truth too XD Short profound statement by me -u-
Aogami
6 years, 5 months ago
rofl I'm glad you agree xD
nekkofox
6 years, 5 months ago
Again, common sense that, if followed with any amount of integrity, would leave both parties happy.
Aogami
6 years, 5 months ago
People keep replying to these to tell me that common sense and common courtesy are terribly uncommon xD
nekkofox
6 years, 5 months ago
Isn't that depressing? The artist is not a slave to the commissioner, and the commissioner deserves a little respect from the artist for paying for their work. It's supposed to be a symbiotic relationship, and yet, from what I've seen, can turn into one of a parasitic nature.
Aogami
6 years, 5 months ago
There are loads of ways it can go bad from either side, but most times as long as at least one person has a bit of give to them you can get through a project. I try and be that person as often as I can xD
nekkofox
6 years, 5 months ago
Balance. Yin and yang. Give and take. Symbiosis. If only people would be more forgiving, yes?
Aogami
6 years, 5 months ago
yeah TuT if only
nekkofox
6 years, 5 months ago
Ah, in a perfect world...
BunnyFoxglove
6 years, 5 months ago
I guess as a commissioner I relate more to the second page. I've seen a few artists who go all weird... "I'm not your employee" kinda attitude, just makes me kinda sick. If there's money involved they're employing your services. If that's too hard to understand, they shouldn't be doing this job. I don't treat anyone like an employee, I treat them like a person who's paid to do a service based on the terms we agreed to.

I prefer to program in C based languages (c/c++/c#), but my employer pays me to write in VB.net... guess what? I write in VB.net. If I design something one way, and they tell me it's wrong, I fix it. There's no arguing over it, that's how a job works. If there's a damn good reason for my method over theirs, they listen to what I have to say, but the end call is theirs.

If at some point you feel you're too good for your job, you're in the wrong line of work. I think these comics are awesome, and clearly show some of the finer points of what to do, and what not to do on both sides of the fence. Well done. :3
Aogami
6 years, 5 months ago
You bring up a good point. An artist IS an employee once money is exchanged, and it's their responsibility to fulfill the terms of the verbal contract the form with the people who commission them. Your example is a very good one, and if someone who's paying me tells me that I'm doing something wrong I'll usually change it. Most people will let me have a little wiggle room for style etc but some don't and it's their money. I might not think it looks as good in the end, but it isn't being made for my own personal gallery.

All that being said, one of the reasons I really love this job is that it's so laid back. I'm hired by private contractors to do single jobs, so if one happens to go bad I don't get fired; I can chat casually with most of my employers while I work, and go to work in my PJs; I can take breaks when I need to. It's usually pretty low stress. I don't even think of commissioners as employers unless they really insist on forcing the distinction. I think of them as a temporary partner - the idea man on a project we're doing together. There's a unique dynamic to every piece I do for commission and it's always interesting to go back to the art and talk about it because if there were problems they're fresh in my memory, or if I'm really proud of the work it shows.

BUT. And this is a big one, professionalism is key. Timeliness is SO important, and keeping your commissioners in the know I think are the two biggest issues I see around. I think artists (especially young ones) get overwhelmed with their real lives and school or other jobs or they take too many commissions than they can do, or they take commissions they simply don't WANT to do and then they put them off and put them off and put them off. Deadlines pass and they flip out and go 'oh shit oh shit oh shit what now!?' but they don't know how to deal with it so they just put it off longer. Messages get ignored because they just don't want to own up to what they've done and the tone goes from polite and inquisitive to accusatory and angry, and then the artist feels like they're being persecuted so things just go downhill from there xD
Vahn
6 years, 5 months ago
XD my friends going through commissioner problems also
Funny comic :3
Aogami
6 years, 5 months ago
I like to make light of serious issues. Sorry to hear about your friend and good luck. Thanks :)
Vahn
6 years, 5 months ago
No problem ;D and yeah she's just taking a break from commissions atm..probably for the best
furnut5158
6 years, 5 months ago
omg...i knew the title name was familiar o.o;

I think i still got a few Highlights in the storage.  :D :D
Aogami
6 years, 5 months ago
lol dig 'em out and have a nostalgia day
furnut5158
6 years, 5 months ago
-NOSTALGIAS LIKE CRAZY-
bladejtr
6 years, 5 months ago
This reminded me of something I saw the other day.
Quote below is a post made on a forum, for the sake of the poster I won't mention who or where:

" Okay, if this is against the rules I"m sorry(I read them and didn't see any details on finding commissions). I'm looking to have a commission done, but there's no Original character drawing of it yet(all in my head). Just wanting a main sketch to get things started, and then a full version of it if I like it. Problem I'm having is the art style I"m looking for is a little bit more difficult to do, and the I'm wanting a good amount of detail in it.

I prefer the 'darker' sketched art styles, like the attachments below, and the character is going to be semi scaley. The MAIN issue I think though is I want armor and a Nihonto on it, and I'm kinda picky about that stuff. I have concept art for pretty much everything, but your going to have to have a imagination to place them all together haha.

Just take a look at my avatar, that's the Kaiju it's going to be based off of, a Humanish/Godzilla hybrid decked out in Armor, fit with a Katana

From the pictures, the golden Dragon is the artstyle I'm looking for the most, love that style. And from the godzilla in armor, you kinda get the idea of what your dealing with(more humanish, different armor, but you get the idea ) And the black and white one is just....well it's cool and black and white. Hopefully you can kinda see what i"m looking for.

Would love to find someone who could commission this for me. If interested let me know, and we'll talk details  And not just limiting it to one person, would love to see how multiple people draw it, and it's outcome. Thanks and sorry for the long post.
Aogami
6 years, 5 months ago
I think this person is going about this the wrong way. If they're telling the truth about being picky with style, then they should search for artists who draw in the style they're looking for. I'm always baffled when commissioners ask me to draw in a style that's completely foreign to anything I've posted on the site xD
bladejtr
6 years, 5 months ago
Yeah, that's what I told the guy.
He said he was having trouble finding anyone who drew the style he liked that would respond to a PM.

I doubt he'll ever get a response from his request, but I guess he was just taking a shot in the dark and hoping for the best.
Post made him sound like a bad commissioner though, so I was reminded of him when I saw this pic.
Aogami
6 years, 5 months ago
you never know, but yeah he'll definitely have better luck looking around himself and asking artists directly than that approach xD
HimaChita
6 years, 5 months ago
I always try to stay on the good sides of artists. I've only had one bad incident so far but I didn't lose money on I just commissioned someone, a month later they canceled all commissions, but then a few weeks later they reopened commissions to pay off people who had paid them before, but made no effort to get into contact or even mention people who had previous commissions. Other than that, all cool so far.
Aogami
6 years, 5 months ago
Yeah sometimes stuff comes up and you have to cancel, and as much of a pain in the ass it might be as an artist you have to take the time to contact people individually to tell them what's going on, even if you just use a form letter and copy and paste it in a PM. You can't just toss up a journal and hope everybody you owe stuff to happens to read it xD
ByteFantail
2 years ago
this reminds me of something from an old magazine I used to get as a kid, don't quite remember.
Aogami
2 years ago
Goofus and Gallant was a comic strip in Highlights for Kids
ByteFantail
2 years ago
yus, I remember now! I used to love trying to find the little spiders c:
Aogami
2 years ago
I liked the ones where you had to find what was different between two pictures
ByteFantail
2 years ago
yus! those were fun, maybe I should get a subscription for my little brother and sister c:
Aogami
2 years ago
do they still publish it? Print magazines are going out of business all the time these days
ByteFantail
2 years ago
Just looked at their website and it says 45 or so for a year of monthly subscription c:
Aogami
2 years ago
cool beans :)
TheForsakenScribe
1 year, 5 months ago
I am sorry if actual people wanting commissions act like that. I count myself lucky I haven't found anyone like that who likes text commissions like poetry of their fursona or otherwise. When I get some money perhaps I will consider commissioning you to make a comic to help bring my books to life. I understand it may take a lot of money and time and I am patient and want nothing less than the best possible outcome, so I'll do my best to grind the money via hard core adulting. A general price guideline would be helpful though so I know how much to save up.
Aogami
1 year, 5 months ago
If you check out my commission journal I have all my rules and a price guide right in there in a link to my Terms of Service (ToS), as well as some frequently asked questions etc ~ if you  still have questions after you've looked through it please feel free to leave a comment on the journal or send me a PM directly. Thanks! :D
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