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Concerning commissions, please read!

It has come to my attention that recently a member of out little community has left under less than favorable circumstances, and people were quite upset for one reason or another because of her final request.

I've become aware that many commissioners are now reluctant to buy art, because they now realize that the ToS gives the artist the ability to retroactively deny customers the right to display their art.   While I understand that for some artists this is a perfectly appropriate contingency, which most will never use, for commissioners it is unacceptable to lose privileges they thought were bought and paid for.

In fact, I'll go a step further and demonstrate my empathy for my customers.  When you commission art from me, unless it is otherwise agreed, you have the permanent, irrevocable right to display that art anywhere you want with or without my permission.  Furthermore, if I ever do request that art commissioned from me be taken down by a commissioner, it will be just that, a request.  And the commissioner will be fully within their rights to refuse.

This is just for the commissioners, however.  I reserve the right to request my art be taken down when it is displayed by people other than the commissioner.  While I don't expect this will be applied much, it would be important to maintain for the sake of discouraging art theft and fraud.  I'm actually perfectly fine with most of my art being reuploaded to other galleries, provided I'm given credit.  With the exception of commissions, which may only be uploaded with express permission from either myself or the commissioner.  Or other pieces which I have clearly stated may not be redistributed without permission, such as exclusive items like portfolios, collections, or comics.

Feel free to screenshot this journal for record keeping if you plan to commission me.
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FriskyWoods
12 years, 2 months ago
The person you obliquely referenced was absolutely horrible and deserved to be thrown out.

As for commissions, I can't really see the point in an artist drawing someone for money, then refusing them the right to use the drawing they purchased. I'm from the Pat Sajak school of "once you buy a prize, it's yours to keep," and it just seems ridiculous to me to refuse rights to a drawing someone else bought.  My view is this... as long as you keep my signature on the image and don't alter it in any way, you can post it wherever you please.
Infinityplus1
12 years, 2 months ago
I'm pretty much of the same mind, so far as commissions are concerned.  I don't really see a point in trying to cling to rights I don't feel are appropriate to exercise.

I would just as soon rather forget the whole thing with Teekay, but I decided that my watchers might want to know where I stand on the subject.  She probably wasn't thinking very clearly at the time.  And while I don't feel her actions were justified, I do kind of understand why she took them.  To me, it seemed like her decision was based more on ignorance then malice.  I don't know what she said about IB on FA, and I don't really care at this point. As far as I'm concerned, she made an inappropriate request for a poorly justified reason, and perhaps she encountered more hostility than she really deserved, but that should have been anticipated.
FriskyWoods
12 years, 2 months ago
Oh, so you were talking about an entirely different artist!  Okay, that's totally my bad then.  I don't know the details regarding Teekay, but I've been following the Zeriara situation closely since her attempt to humiliate a friend, and rejoiced upon hearing her removal from InkBunny.  I can't make a judgment about Teekay's character, but I do know Zeriara has been a horrible excuse for a person for a very long time, and I shed no tears over her departure.
Infinityplus1
12 years, 2 months ago
What was she doing to try and humiliate your friend?  I haven't heard about this.   I caught that she was behaving very unprofessionally, and I'm not surprised that she was banned, but this is news to me.  

....she likes to delete a lot of her journals and shit, so it's hard to keep track of exactly whats going on unless you're watching her constantly. >_>;
FriskyWoods
12 years, 2 months ago
You'll never get the straight facts from Zeriara anyway.  She does something rotten, then engages in revisionist history once the shit hits the fan over her despicable actions.

Anyway, Zeriara thought it would be fun to draw a rape victim getting raped again, then charging other people to be in the picture as the rapists.  Details can be found here:

http://bridgeportcat.livejournal.com/98417.html#cutid1
Infinityplus1
12 years, 2 months ago
I have a fairly black sense of humor, and can find some pretty disturbing things funny.  So I'm probably not a very good judge of decent, civilized humor.  But even I can see that taking money to draw rape porn of a rape victim's fursona without their permission crosses the line from black humor into cruelty.

Did the people who she charged realize the context of the situation?
FriskyWoods
12 years, 2 months ago
My understanding is no.... they wanted to be in the picture, but didn't know the specifics.  Zeriara, always one to shape reality as she sees fit, didn't bother to mention this.
Infinityplus1
12 years, 2 months ago
I suppose I should find that reassuring.  At least her accomplices were ignorant of the context.
FriskyWoods
12 years, 2 months ago
By the way, do you have a link to more information about this person's ban?  I'd like to know the specifics.
Infinityplus1
12 years, 2 months ago
I didn't know they were banned. I thought they just left.  o.o
FoxiLumine
12 years, 2 months ago
Ya, thinks there might have been some kinda thing that just made the person up and quit. It wasn't a ban.
Infinityplus1
12 years, 2 months ago
I read she was very ill, and thought she might die.  So she was consolidating her online activity, to give herself more free time.  The reason for her wanting to have her art removed, was that she was afraid someone might steal credit for it in her absence.  I think it's actually a pretty miserable reason, since it would be harder to take credit for someone else's artwork if that person has a highly devoted fanbase and a public gallery.  Both of which were destroyed by her actions.
Quiet269
12 years, 2 months ago
Here's some info: https://inkbunny.net/journalview.php?id=28631#commentid...

EDIT: Well, assuming we're talking about the same artist...
FoxiLumine
12 years, 2 months ago
Ummm, I don't thinks we are talking about the same person here. >.>
Infinityplus1
12 years, 2 months ago
I was talking about @DELETEDTeekay 's recent actions.  

I didn't even know Zeraria had been banned.  Though, I'm hardly surprised.  Some people can get away with behaving the way she does, as long as they're professional about it.  But from what I read she wasn't exactly professional about it.
KevinSnowpaw
12 years, 2 months ago
they were in fact baned, I dont know exact details, im not a mod However im friends with a a decent chunk of some of the people she burned More or less I "assume" she was banned for repeatedly ripping people off. Again My aummption no matter how true or false does not in anyway reflect the facts as they stand or any action taken by the IB moderation team.

That being said, fucking good riddance.
Infinityplus1
12 years, 2 months ago
Were you talking about Teekay, or Zeriaria?  I'm pretty certain Zeriaria was banned, but I think Teekay's account is still active.  Yep, just checked, Teekay's account is still up, but Zeriara's is deleted.
KevinSnowpaw
12 years, 2 months ago
My apologies i was talking about Zar, I wanted to like her I really did but even though she was nice to me when I was around she was constently stiffing people i know. She proved herself to be more then a little fair-weather.

I still dont know whats up with teekay, but she left FA now to so yeah...
Infinityplus1
12 years, 2 months ago
It's no problem, a lot of people are making that assumption.  I guess Zeriara made quite a stink when she left.  But given her record, it looks like that was to be expected.  

At first I just thought she was just edgy, but her drama-magnetic behavior manifested itself pretty quick.  Shortly after I myself commissioned her, actually.  I was fortunate enough to actually receive my commission, even though I wasn't completely satisfied with it.  At the time, I had commissioned her mostly because she said she needed money real bad, and also because I wanted to see my characters in her style. But there seemed to be no end to the journals begging people for money, and as her history started catching up with her, I began to suspect that I had dodged a bullet.  

She made a parody of another artist's behavior, that I actually found quite funny, and when I complemented her work, she said she would send me an uncensored copy.  She never did.  I chalked it up to forgetfulness, or distractions, and didn't bug her about it.  

There were a few more events that made me wary, like indiscriminately deleting comments, journals, and art.  I started to just watch from afar, like one might watch a collapsing skyscraper. But it wasn't until recently that I realized she had a whole Encyclopedia Dramatica entry.
FoxiLumine
12 years, 2 months ago
Well, I suppose with that incident I took a moment to read though a little copyright law and apparently, just because a commissioner paid for it, it doesn't grant them the right to do what they want with it unless such was agreed and signed upon. I personally was under the assumption that when something was created for you that you became somewhat of a copyright co-owner but this seems is not the case. Becoming a co-owner of copyright or transferring copyright has to be granted and signed over by the artist.

So I suppose from a mod point of view and following with their own policy, they would have had to honor the artists' right to have images removed, even from accounts that paid to have them done. However, the problem people are having here is that permission to repost has been originally granted and ultimately without a statement that such privileged can be revoked at anytime I thinks there should be some sort of different policy on handling artists that violate their own terms of services if anything.

Regardless I believe this incident would caution a lot more would be buyers to be more critical of who they pay money to and to make sure a proper agreement with rights to display would be negotiated. This might be a good lesson for many people here though I thinks that even with such agreements being made, I thinks mods should consider if contracts made simply over PMs and email and not something signed should be honored.

Well that's pretty much my two cents if anything. =p
Infinityplus1
12 years, 2 months ago
That's why I'm posting this in a public journal.  It will be independently verifiable on the site's public record.  I generally assumed that this was already the case.  But now that people are shaken up, I wanted to put it into writing, just to make sure people understand this is how I work.
FoxiLumine
12 years, 2 months ago
And I thinks that is awesome and commendable that you did that. Perhaps IB should consider adding an Artists ToS section to profile pages, or maybe people should insist one gets posted somewhere around their profile.

Also.... are you open for some commissions right now? >.>
Infinityplus1
12 years, 2 months ago
I'll take them, but I might not be able to work on them for a while.  If you want to hammer out details ahead of time, I'm game.  I don't really expect payment until I'm actually doing the drawing, so feel free to conceptualize with me in notes.
Salacious
12 years, 2 months ago
This is something that as a commissioner, I genuinely appreciate. I've always been bothered by how vague and wishy-washy a lot of the 'work for hire' laws seem to be about this sort of thing, and so it bugs me that depending on the interpretation, I can just have someone tell me 'no, that thing you paid for is not yours'.

This gesture of goodwill that you've got is something that I think is very respectable and rather magnanimous at that. Have to see if I can't get lucky enough to save some cash up so I can get a few more from you. The one I did I thought was fantastic... of course, I can't post that much of anywhere anyway!
Infinityplus1
12 years, 2 months ago
Thank you.  And I'm looking forward to working with you again. X3

I did regret that you couldn't post that commission here.  I think it was one of the better coloring jobs I did.
Salacious
12 years, 2 months ago
Haha, such is the way. Just how it goes really, still, I got a big kick out of it and I thought it was worth the money. If I wasn't in the middle of moving I'd be throwing money atcha now... Still, patience, virtue, yadda yadda... even if I'd rather have more porno x3
Pouncer
12 years, 2 months ago
Y'know I certainly feel the same way when I produce a commission, somebody just purchased art.  Once I hand it over it belongs to them, RL or digitally.  

The reason I could understand for the TOS, unfortunately, would be because of US copyright laws.  When an artist creates art they automatically have a copyright on it, even if they haven't filed for one officially.  However when you sell the work of art you don't necessarily pass on the copyright with it, leaving the artist as sole holder of the copyright and control of the art.  There are other circumstances with different rules but this generally applies to the work done here.

Still, this doesn't prevent those of us who feel differently about it acting differently.
Infinityplus1
12 years, 2 months ago
I'm actually a very firm believer in open source, and Copyleft.  I find copyrights are often restrictive and stagnating towards industry and entertainment. Copyright laws are often blatantly abused by people who actually produce very little.  The main reasons I might still implement it, is because I don't consider the commissions I do entirely my own, and don't think it's my place to deny ownership to the commissioner simply for the sake of my own ideology.  

Big Bad's Revenge, the comic I was planning on doing is another exception.  Comics are very time consuming to produce, and with no specific commissioner lined up to finance it, I would need to maintain sole distribution rights.    These would likely expire after enough time has passed so that the cost of making it has been offset.   I understand that there would be a lot of piracy, and I don't feel inclined to fight it, but I want to encourage people to buy it legitimately if possible, so that I can create more.   I think most of my watchers will understand this, and help finance future products to enjoy.
Pouncer
12 years, 2 months ago
Yeah.  I go with a difference between my personal works and the stuff done for commissioners.  With all the trouble I go through for the comics, unless it was a commission, I definitely gotta hold onto ownership of that.
TravisCoon
12 years, 2 months ago
I'm afraid at time commissioning artist i haven't in the past, Zeriara took me for 80.00 then another artist took me for 25.00 and finally a friend took me for another 55.00. I hate not trusting artist but fear at times I might not get the art.
Infinityplus1
12 years, 2 months ago
I'm sorry to hear about your loss.  Who were the others who ripped you off?

Building trust is the reason why I don't usually request full payment up front.  But, for the sake of simplicity and time, some of my more recent commissioners have taken the initiative to do so anyway.  I guess I've just built up good credibility.  I'll admit, I work slowly sometimes, but I do work, and no one has ever asked me for a refund.

But I don't expect you to trust me right away.  And it's good sense to keep your wits about you.  
Zippo
12 years, 2 months ago
Eh, would rather just do it privately off site so they dont have any business in what I do. I only commission ppls if they agree to not post private works first, pretty simple solution than the site trying to manage what I do. Bypassing the site when conducting business saves all this middleman hassle. I rarely do commissions anyways as its hard to find one that dosent mind my sort of focused/limited  taste/content and willing to keep it to themselves on request, a respect that is a short order these days. You are one of the few exceptions.
Infinityplus1
12 years, 2 months ago
I appreciate that.  And you made sure to specify what things you wanted so far as where the art could be displayed and whatnot. So it's good that we kept things clear.
ButtercupSaiyan
12 years, 2 months ago
What's your opinion on reusing commissions for future prints or other releases? I always felt that the art remained with the artist as well with right to distribute, without some kind of legally binding contract involved. Most people don't even tip for a private commission like that, either, which also doesn't help with exposure of work and using it as a sample.
Infinityplus1
12 years, 2 months ago
As far as I'm concerned, unless I agree otherwise, I would still have the right to commercially distribute art which is commissioned from me.  But I would consider it rude to exercise that right without first asking permission, especially if it contains characters owned by my commissioners.  I have not really brought it up, because it's not something I think will be happening anytime soon.   As far as I'm aware, the print system is still broken, and I don't have the financing to set up prints myself.   I'm confident that most of my customers would be kind enough to permit me to sell the prints of commissions, if I ever wanted to do so.   And if they don't give me permission, then I don't think the profit would really be worth pissing them off.  

Private commissions are rare enough that I don't usually worry about it, but I have considered increasing the cost, given that I don't receive as much exposure from them.   I just haven't had that as a problem though.  Very few people commission art I can't show here, and even fewer expressly forbid redistribution.   If it becomes a problem in the future, I may reconsider.
ButtercupSaiyan
12 years, 2 months ago
I agree with it being the client's characters... fanart, not so sure on. Already walking a thin line there, I guess. As for print system being broken, can you elaborate on that?

Thank you for your feedback, I like hearing your thoughts. You really know how to explain them solidly. Of course, there's always the issue of not being able to contact a previous customer, but I suppose the only thing to do in that situation is to treat it with the best judgment of the time.
Infinityplus1
12 years, 2 months ago
I don't think the print system is currently active.  I haven't checked recently though.  If you want, you can try and find someone who is selling prints through Inkbunny, and see if it works.   The only thing I ever checked was something where I was supposed to get a digital copy of a comic through a payment method integrated into Inkbunny, and it was broken, so I just had to send money directly to the artist.  

But I haven't really been that interested in selling prints at his point, so I haven't checked up on it very much.  If I have an exceptionally well executed idea, I might try and sell prints.  The stuff I do is pretty good as porn, but I would like to make something that stands out as art.  And for that I'd need to develop more balanced compositions, and probably more effective backgrounds. If you do find out more about whether or not the print system here at Inkbunny is functional, please let me know.

Fanart commissions are kind of a grey area for me.  I would prefer to work in a legal system that allows for limited commercial use of copyrighted characters, like what they had in Japan.  I think as long as it remained under a certain number of copies, it was considered legal to sell a product which integrated someone else's work.  But as I live in the USA, I would have strong reservations about selling prints or comics featuring copyrighted characters.   This is actually one of the main reasons why I wanted to do Big Bad's Revenge.  As far as I'm aware, most of the fairy tales I'm thinking of incorporating are public domain. And even those which aren't could be considered protected under parody.

If I can't get in contact with a commissioner to request permission to resell their commission, I would use my own judgement on the matter.  Likely, I would just consider it a loss and move on.  If the art I create for someone is truly extraordinary by my own standards, I think I would ask them while I was still making it, or shortly after it was done, rather than waiting for weeks or months after the fact.   But, I'm pretty hard on my own art, so there's probably some things people would consider worth buying that I would never think to sell.
KevinSnowpaw
12 years, 2 months ago
See I love you XD this is how artists should show support from fans useing there work for nonprofit.
Infinityplus1
12 years, 2 months ago
It seemed like the right thing to do.  I appreciate having you around.  Everyone who has faith in me, even when my faith in myself is less than stellar, you're awesome.  Thank you. X3
KevinSnowpaw
12 years, 2 months ago
You are super welcome. I consider you a friend besides so my support somes naturally haha XD
Catwheezle
12 years, 2 months ago
Excellent post! I like the way you think. But what does "display" mean to you?

Can it be put on a page that has ads on? Can it be put on a pay site? What about a "free content" area of a pay site? Can it be used in an ad? A free t-shirt? A t-shirt on cafepress?

Can it be colored in and displayed, or must it be left unmodified? Can it be converted to another format? Uploaded with really high levels of JPG compression? Cropped and used on their address label? Can they photoshop in something you strongly disagree with (to show your characters performing despicable acts, etc)?

Can your signature be cropped off? Can they claim it was their work?

Personally, I release all work I've done as CC0 (public domain in areas that allow me to), but I do understand that is way too liberal a license for most creators. Other Creative Commons licenses make it clear and easy to understand what the viewer is allowed to do (and not allowed!), and you might find them worth using.

Couple of times, now, I've had contest judges ask me "someone's entered your code for this contest, without crediting you: are you aware?" And I've replied: "It's public domain code. If they win, I'm happy for them, and proud for my code. But it's up to you as a judge whether you want to mark them down for failing to cite their sources, or mark them up for researching good code and promoting code reuse."

My code has never won yet, that I know of, but I hold hope for it. It is my child, my legacy, and I want it to be free to grow, and to achieve things :)
Infinityplus1
12 years, 2 months ago
I've done my best to make the following explanations readable, by separating it into three categories.

*Golden Rule:  Act in a reasonable fashion to ensure people know which art I drew.

Art you commissioned from me

Signature removal / cropping:  I would prefer if you don't, but if you must, please put a small readable print version of my signature on the remaining image.  If that won't fit, put it into the file name.  I won't make a huge deal out of this, but I would consider it polite.

Displaying my art on free sites: I have no problem with this. Just follow my Golden Rule.

Displaying art on paysites, merchandise, or prints:  Please ask permission.  I'll be honest, if you stand to make a lot of money off it, I might want a percentage, but I wouldn't want to gouge you or anything.  If it's not something you would make much money from, or if calculating profit and effect would be ambiguous, then I'd probably leave it alone.  Also, I would likely only want in on profits in excess of $50.  If you want me to draw something specifically for a t-shirt, paysite, or banner, I could just accept a lump sum up front to sell you the commercial rights. Since that would make things simpler.

Edits/alterations:  I would consider it a courtesy if you asked first.  But I really don't mind that much if you can follow my Golden Rule, and keep confusion over who drew what to a minimum, and not foster disinformation.

Art that Other people commissioned from me

Signature removal / cropping:  Please ask the commissioner first.  I would prefer if you don't, but if you must, please put a small readable print version of my signature on the remaining image.  If that won't fit, put it into the file name.  I won't make a huge deal out of this, but I would consider it polite.

Displaying my art on free sites: Please ask the commissioner first.  I have no problem with this, as long as you follow my Golden Rule.

Displaying art on paysites, merchandise, or prints:  Please ask permission from both the commissioner and myself first.  If either of us say no, then don't do it. The resulting policy would be subject to what the three of us can agree on.  If you want me to draw something specifically for a t-shirt, paysite, or banner, I could just accept a lump sum up front to sell you the commercial rights. Since that would make things simpler.

Edits/alterations:  Please ask the commissioner first.  I would consider it a courtesy if you asked me, too.  But I really don't mind that much if you can follow my Golden Rule, and keep confusion over who drew what to a minimum, and not foster disinformation..

Art which wasn't commissioned, and is available in my gallery for all to see

Signature removal / cropping:  I would prefer if you don't, but if you must, please put a small readable print version of my signature on the remaining image.  It that won't fit, put it into the file name.  I won't make a huge deal out of this, but I would consider it polite.

Displaying my art on free sites: I have no problem with this. Just follow my Golden Rule.

Displaying art on paysites, merchandise, or prints:  Please ask permission.  I'll be honest, if you stand to make a lot of money off it, I might want a percentage, but I wouldn't want to gouge you or anything.  If it's not something you would make much money from, or if calculating profit and effect would be ambiguous, then I'd probably leave it alone.  Also, I would likely only want in on profits in excess of $50.  If you want me to draw something specifically for a t-shirt, paysite, or banner, I could just accept a lump sum up front to sell you the commercial rights. Since that would make things simpler.

Edits/alterations:  Please ask me first.  I probably won't mind that much if you can follow my Golden Rule, and keep confusion over who drew what to a minimum, and not foster disinformation..
Catwheezle
12 years, 2 months ago
If I could hug your mind, I would :)

" Infinityplus1 wrote:
If you want me to draw something specifically for a t-shirt, paysite, or banner, I could just accept a lump sum up front to sell you the commercial rights.


This right here is the main reason that I think it's fair for artists to say "I got the money for my commissioned work, I was happy with it, but if suddenly you do something to make money off it, then I want a cut". In general, furry artists are horribly, monstrously, despicably underpaid. There are people doing $1 sketches. For that money, I would not expect any real rights, any more than I would expect copyright to a gift. In that case, the artist is doing me a favor, and I'd feel only as free to so with it as I would with a gift.

...ooh, now there's a question. What're you legally allowed to do with a digital image that someone randomly gifts you with? I bet copyright lawyers could get rich on that one.

" I would consider it a courtesy [...] I really don't mind that much [...] I would prefer if you don't [...] I won't make a huge deal out of this, but I would consider it polite. [...etc]


Woohoo :) I really like your attitude to the whole thing: very little "thou shalt not", and very clear "please don't". More nuanced than the CC licences, though. Closest I can come in CC terms is to license by https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/3.0/ and add a note "but you can contact me if you want to do more with the pic!"

Naturally, as I acknowledge that I'm a frothing copyright extremist, I still feel that's kinda restrictive. I don't even have any "I'd rather" terms with my own work, other than "I'd love to hear what you thought, and what you used it for, and any improvements you made!" - but that's clearly an extremist view, and I think it's reasonable for artists to want at least some control and contact with their "digital children" as they grow up and take wing.
Infinityplus1
12 years, 2 months ago
I actually like stuff like Creative Commons and Copyleft.   But I don't think it's fair to be overly permissive with the things that people paid me to make, to anyone but the people who paid me to make them.   I would like to distribute a lot of my stuff under CC or Copyleft, but I think I'll be forgiven if I don't do it immediately after it's made.

If you'll notice, I pointed out in another comment that I would likely allow Big Bad's Revenge to be distributed freely after sales meet the expense of producing it.  I believe people should be paid for their work, not monopolizing their ideas.  And I hope that eventually the market will understand this, and adapt.  

Oh, and yes, I am fairly underpaid.  I could probably make more money mowing lawns for my neighbors.  And I could certainly make more money dispensing fries at the local fast food chain.

Oh, and before I forget: https://inkbunny.net/journalview.php?id=18141

Here's an idea anyone can use.  I thought this up a while back, and I have yet to see anyone do anything with it.
Catwheezle
12 years, 2 months ago
Well; you've clearly thought about this long and deeply, and I think you are awesome for the decisions that you have come to.

So there :p
Infinityplus1
12 years, 2 months ago
Thank you.  X3
JustinX
12 years, 2 months ago
Y'know, I do so wish that this entire community would follow a "don't be a dick" rule.

I mean, in terms of artists and their creative control... I think that some artists like the ones you're talking about, they could really use some experience working outside of this community. In the real art industry. Just to pop their bubble on how much 'control' they feel is proper. Someone working for DC comics who'd try to pull that "remove all of my work, now" schtick would get laughed out of the office.

As someone who pays for commissions, I like to trust the person I'm commissioning to do work won't be utterly barking mad. I like to know they'll provide work that is appropriate for the money being paid, and won't flip out on this kind of thing. For instance, one of my previous commissions, I decided to cancel because I wasn't feeling that the artist's sketch work of the commissioned piece was representative of their other work. I paid her for the work she had done thus far, and left it at that. Whereupon she flipped out, demanded that I pay for a full final product, and told me that as she was the artist "I call the shots, not you". Yeeeeah...

So like I said, I just wish people would follow a rule of "try not to be a dick"
Infinityplus1
12 years, 2 months ago
If the artist you're talking about is the one I'm thinking of, I've heard all kinds of horror stories about her.

This is the reason why I usually work in stages.  Only recently have some customers decided to put enough faith in me to pay me in advance.  I'm not even sure I'm entirely comfortable with it.  I would hate to have some kind of breakdown and then have them get left out of the loop.  Being polite, reasonable, and empathetic towards your customers isn't just the right thing to do, it's also the smart thing to do.  Being a completely self absorbed egotistical trollbot (not that I'm pointing fingers), is one of the fastest ways to lose good customers.
FlyingFox
12 years, 2 months ago
funny thing, I made a similar Journal after Teekay's dramabitching. ;)
Infinityplus1
12 years, 2 months ago
Good for you.  I love it when people are clear and honest about how they want to do things.
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