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Norithics

Back-Talk and Butt Fat: A Weird Adventure In Art & Anatomy

Let me take you on a journey.

So about six years ago, my drawings looked like this:
Partners 'issue 1' Cover by Norithics

Nowadays, the same character looks, ehm, different. So what changed? Did I wantonly just let my well-known growth lust spiral out of control until everything became a crazy mess??? No! Well okay, a little. But there's way more to it.

So around that same time as the first drawing, I had thoroughly drawn just about every stripe of breast expansion I could think to. It was fun, and I enjoyed it. But at that point BE was all the hell over everything- it was huge on DeviantArt, all over FA, some of it was on VCL for those of you old enough to remember that, I mean it was present. And while I'm no hipster, I began to wonder what else might be fun to explore. I remembered regulars like rick2tails always said they liked the way I draw butts, so I said, "Hey! Let's figure out the particulars of that!" like it wasn't going to swallow years of my life in weird research and confusion.

I noticed something right off the bat: Whenever other artists wanted to portray big butts, they'd always have them bent over, with a lot of foreshortening, at an angle that supports that. I also noticed that hips and thighs tended to get thrown into the mix as some kind of mandatory thing- like you couldn't increase the butt slider without the entire housing going with it, therefore locking people into the same proportion of rear end every single time. And little wonder! When your only point of reference is the "Yoga Pants Thursday Roundup," that's the only perspective you'll have to draw from.

So without much reference to go on, I just started expanding the buttock area and used what I could to support that growth around it, working it into the hips and thighs as best I could figure. There was a complex geometry problem unfolding before my highschool dropout brain and it was a mighty lift for a mind that gets by mostly on charisma. To make matters worse, I started getting some pushback from people who said what I was doing was 'unrealistic' and 'looked bad.' Now those criticisms have never stopped me before, but for some reason I couldn't work out, making this work had become important to me. After all, what's unreal is only enjoyable if it's rooted in reality enough to relate to! I realized after a while that I wasn't going to be able to work this to my satisfaction unless I could find references. But how could I do that? None of the Starbucks-swilling yoga pants wearers I saw stuck out in the back very far at all.

Here's where it gets racial.
I'm kidding, don't leave.
More specifically here's where it gets genetic, with race as an inconsistent coincidence. When I looked for references, I found a surprising number of them that worked! Some were impressive. Others were staggering. And as you can see, the vast majority of them had some... things in common.

When I excitedly began to share my findings, however, I got even more pushback, and this time it all came in the form of one word: Fake.
"Those are fake, Nori, come on. Nobody looks like that. There's no way to achieve that naturally."
Now, I was upset at the closemindedness, but honestly I was more upset with myself for not thinking of that possibility. I didn't know how popular that kind of augmentation is! But what bothered me about that was my time studying up on tits- the fake ones have a lot of very particular aspects to them that make it all but impossible to really pass as natural. So once more I was stuck, unable to really work out the artistic problem. While I was expanding and improving, if it was based on augmented anatomy, it'd end up coming from a wrong place- not to mention the pushback was starting to get a little annoying in its prevalence.

Then, recently, KlinKitty gave me a reference into something I'd only passingly heard about before: Steatopygia. The actual label for "big ass." Not big hips, not big thighs, specifically a huge B-dunk A-dunk. What's more, what little illustration I could see immediately looked not just large, but upturned- a structure of buttock that places lots of mass near the top, as opposed to the universal slope toward the bottom. I delved further, wondering "Is there something that resembles maybe even the most ridiculous things I've drawn, with no regard to realism?"

Holy shit there is.

I found example after example of what I'd assumed to be anatomical impossibilities- adipose structures that beggar belief, ages before anyone had even thought of 'Fake.' Real life staring me in the face, going further than I'd even want to. Stuff that I still can't wrap my head around. But the important part here is the conclusion in regards to how I draw big fat butts:

Is it extreme? A bit!
Is it unusual? Depends on where you live, apparently.
Do you have to like it? Of course not! Genetic diversity is preferential by nature.

However, is it unrealistic?
No.
Truth is stranger than fiction, and our own unseen biases color what we see as possible and not. And frankly I'm as surprised as you are.
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Added: 6 years, 9 months ago
 
rick2tails
6 years, 9 months ago
first off thanks for the mention. second thanks for the bit of education there. Learnt a few things there I reckon! very interesting.I do prefer things  a little less on the sliding scale then the highest levels you take it to ,but even when its more then I like you do it well.You are a master of drawing them butts!
Norithics
6 years, 9 months ago
Moreover, I'm hoping this gives people a better idea of what their choices are.
rick2tails
6 years, 9 months ago
more choices  (and knowing about them ) are always good indeed
Lamia
6 years, 9 months ago
wish I could respond with as detailed an explanation for why I like gigantic penetrative genitals on ladies

I've been (and continue to be) challenged by keyboard warriors always bringing forth their amazing logic about realism, but all I can imagine is that they're just stuck and can't expand their minds to the wonders of enormous erogenous environs and other subjects in my interest

it is pretty crazy that you bring up those examples though, reality can indeed be stranger than fiction
Norithics
6 years, 9 months ago
It's true. And you don't have to justify it! But figuring out the reasons why can be so rewarding- it really helps you zero in on what's fun about it and enhance your satisfaction~
Ketsuban
6 years, 9 months ago
" Lamia wrote:
wish I could respond with as detailed an explanation for why I like gigantic penetrative genitals on ladies


I always recommend watching this talk by Ogi Ogas at Google, since it's the only thing I've ever found that actually approaches this question from the position of actual science rather than armchair speculation.
Daneasaur
6 years, 9 months ago
Noice.
PantyRanger
6 years, 9 months ago
You know, I have to ask this cause no one does.
Who gives a flying fuck if it's realistic art or not?
We draw fictional animal people and we fetishize them to extreme levels.

Realism is so far in the back of our minds it's not something we should bother with.
Realism is a foundation to allow an audience to be familiar with something. If a audience can't disearn, for example, this is a cat or this is a big butt, that's when you know the foundations aren't being worked properly.

It's true that reality can be stranger the fiction, but even so, I mean, at the end of the day, realism is a foundation, not something to be closely adhered to, but a practice to allow the audience familiarity.

I practice on photos all the time, but I'm not at all interested in drawing in a photo realistic style. I use that to find ways to exaggerate. I'm not trying to paint the Mona Lisa, I'm a cartoonist after all.

It's cartoon art/porn after all. You can afford to take liberties in your own work as long as it's recognizable.
Norithics
6 years, 9 months ago
" PantyGremlin wrote:
You know, I have to ask this cause no one does.
Who gives a flying fuck if it's realistic art or not?


As I came to learn, a lot of people.
And I mean I take the meat of your message in kind, but the fact is people have all kinds of weird prejudices they aren't aware of. And as mentioned, it felt very worth it to research so I could make the best exaggerations I could. What is it they teach in art? "You have to learn the rules before you can break them?" It's that same idea.
PantyRanger
6 years, 9 months ago
Yeah, that's what I meant by using realism to understand how to exaggerate and foundations.
Like, I use realism for that, but i feel like the thing is, if you're a cartoonist, the audience doesn't really know if you're doing that or not.

Like, the big guys like the ones who make cartoons on TV, you may see realistic phases in there sketchbooks, but proportions are exaggerated.

I'm not saying don't learn from realism. In fact, cartoons look good BECAUSE artist do that, but yeah, I think people get a bit TOO fixated on how realistic something look when it's the artist's choice how they exaggerate.

Though really, one can sorta tell when a artist doesn't use realism or not anyways, for example, I can tell you do have a strong understanding of anatomy through subtle nuances while also can tell when you deliberately exaggerate, if that makes sense.

You can always pick out the genuinely bad anatomy from the intentionally exaggerated (COUGH, ROB LIEFIELD, HACK!)
Norithics
6 years, 9 months ago
You're the second person ever to tell me I have a strong grasp of anatomy- and the first person said so a month ago. Everybody else had a very different opinion. *laughs* Maybe I've crossed a threshold.

But yeah, I get what you mean. You can kinda tell when somebody's done their homework and not.
PantyRanger
6 years, 9 months ago
If you have concerns about your work, no one's perfect, the best advice I can give that's has worked for me is this.

I always ask myself. "Is the way I draw a choice or am I drawing it this way because I don't know how to draw it good or the other way?" Once I came to that conclusion, I focused on the things I draw that I'm only drawing cause it's the only thing I know how so I can draw the things I want as opposed to drawing things I have no choice drawing.

Another fun exercise to help me improve is that I started to deliberately create characters based on things I can't draw. Example being dogs. I have a character named Gwen who is a husky. I love her cause she's the hardest character for me to draw cause I set perimeters I try to reach with her design wise. In some ways she changes bit by bit as I get the hang of drawing that thing *dog snouts*, but she's evolved into me creating more dog chars of dif breeds piece by piece.

So if you have nagging issues, thats the advice I got. If it's not something that works for you that's fine. I only go off my own experiences, here lol.

If I can trick my brain into drawing things I normally wouldn't know how to, it helps me get better. It's why my own projects possibly end up being much harder to do than commissions and contract work. Cause their full of ambitious challenges, lol.

Though I admit I can go overboard and forget to focus on my strengths too, but I suppose balance is key.
Seth65
6 years, 9 months ago
I agree completely on the stupidity of the obsession with realism. Even if anatomy is properly followed, you can still find complaints like "Why does every girl in this universe so busty and show so much cleavage? It's unrealistic!" Maybe it's that way because the real world isn't full of busty babes that flaunt what they've got. Representation is important, but on the other hand why should the artist let reality restrain them when they have the ability to literally create anything they could imagine?
SabreW
6 years, 8 months ago
I want to fave/like this comment 100x over. Why is that not an option here?

GET ON IT, INKBUNNY!
XZeddX
6 years, 9 months ago
I still love how your art evolves regardless
DBunner
6 years, 9 months ago
Oh, wow, okay so that was...way more in-depth than I had expected and I enjoyed very much reading about it. Personally I'm with others, that artwork doesn't have to be one-hundred percent realistic. HOWEVER, throwing that too far to the wind can make for bad perspective, body ratios (in terms of limbs and torsos and head size and such,) and things that widely make a piece of art look just 'off.'

I'll admit, I am deeply, madly in love with your booty art. It's fuckin' sizzling. I like your style because it's a bit on the, forgive me for using the word as I don't have a better way in my feeble vocabulary to describe it, cartoonish side, which fits incredibly well with the material drawn. And, of course, the various kinks and fetishes that you explore are right up my alley.

I guess, to not go on a further tangent, the summary here is...good fuckin' job on all accounts, including the R&D of your own artwork!
Norithics
6 years, 9 months ago
Yeah, I approach art as kind of a scientific problem rather than some intuitive thing; I never get better without some kind of insight, so I'm constantly on the lookout for the next thing I can learn!

Look forward to more fun. =)
YukiAkuma
6 years, 9 months ago
I wonder if Ethnic Asses Guy is reading this and fuming.
colormute
6 years, 9 months ago
I have to disagree with it not being unrealistic

I mean, idk if I've ever seen a cute animal person walking comfortably bipedal let alone with a giant ass on em :P
Norithics
6 years, 9 months ago
Smashcut to I grab you through a television and the Saturday morning cartoon theme starts up as you stare in wonder
colormute
6 years, 9 months ago
smashcut to my funeral

<3
rick2tails
6 years, 9 months ago
*sings* somebody once told me.. oh wait thats Smashmouth..never mind
SenGrisane
6 years, 9 months ago
Very educational collection of images and information.
Cool to see.
Also... giant asses! 😀
Norithics
6 years, 9 months ago
If information were paired with huge butts I might not have dropped out of high school!
SenGrisane
6 years, 9 months ago
We need to invest in Asscreen technology for enhanced learning of the chronically horny :P
rick2tails
6 years, 9 months ago
i can now just imagine instead of chalkboards or white boards all things are written on giant asses ! XD
Norithics
6 years, 9 months ago
Geography got easier but everything else became way more difficult.
rick2tails
6 years, 9 months ago
not everything got harder?
winkin
6 years, 9 months ago
This was informative and quite interesting. Thank you. :3 If only such glorious well rounded firmness were a more common possibility the world would be a better place.
gaysnakesandicecream
6 years, 9 months ago
I find it hilarious people have an issue with fake asses, but nothing with fake breasts. No, seriously. They're two sides of the same coin, people. As for me?

Thicc life for life. Gimme pudge everywhere.
Seth65
6 years, 9 months ago
I'm sure there is pushback against fake breasts as well, however Nori was researching butts and so might not have run into it and didn't share finding on it in this post, as well that cartoon breasts are usually quite round by default, so fakeness is more difficult to get across without just stating it.
Norithics
6 years, 9 months ago
Well more specifically, it's been such a deluge of round breasts because of anime that I don't think critics can even keep up anymore, whereas few people have even started thinking about how to properly draw the backside.
Seth65
6 years, 9 months ago
Good butts are certainly tough to find in anime. Keijo at least gave a fair showing. But I was thinking of how even in western comics that breasts are usually fairly full looking. If you told me Spiderwoman had some work done, I'd be inclined to believe you.

But then I've browsed so many cartoon tits it's tough to tell when a pair is drawn more fake or realistic unless there's obvious sag, so I could be wrong.
Seth65
6 years, 9 months ago
I for one am very pleased with your progress in the ass size department, as well as the many "reference" pics you've reblogged on tumblr. I remember seeing you draw your now seemingly standard size on a one off commission and thought "Wow, that's massive. No way he'll do that consistently though, but it's a nice treat!" and now I have cavities from all the treats you provide.

I do think you might be close to the upper limit of what's possible with your style though. Not that people haven't drawn larger butts, but you gotta save something for when you need to really crank things up to 11. Though if things get bigger besides, I won't mind!
Norithics
6 years, 9 months ago
I mean you're half right. My 'style' meaning the small torsos that I tend to draw, yeah. It's getting a bit much for those. But I'm branching out.
Danni81
6 years, 9 months ago
Honestly you're one of the people I credit for Danund going from this, to this, now this, MAYBE THIS LATER.  

And to think my original concept was to have Danund as the 'straight' man, no pun intended.
LoZeed
6 years, 9 months ago
I question the logic behind "bigger and bigger" but then again I question a lot of things. I've asked many an artist how big is too much but here you've actually explained you quest for an appealing shape, but here's where the question I have comes in; Does it make me the odd man out to put a hard limit on sizes and question the ones even within my personal preference?
(certain folks made me feel like i was at fault for not going up to eleven with sexualized bodies)
Norithics
6 years, 9 months ago
No, of course not- optimal size and shape is completely subjective and has to do with a mixture of nature and nurture of your own tastes. I myself have size limits for what I deem 'optimal'- I just gladly draw whatever people pay for.
LoZeed
6 years, 9 months ago
Ah, this is what I needed. So I'm not a prude when I say "that's too big for my tastes/style" in a fandom full of people obsessed with bigger. Man I really gotta talk with people more.
Norithics
6 years, 9 months ago
I mean if you're just randomly inserting your opinion unsolicited, then I mean that's obviously gonna be annoying, but if you're responding to someone in that vein, then no! That's only natural.
LoZeed
6 years, 9 months ago
I'm not at all the type to force my opinion on folks, I'm still a bit in the process of my own quest to find what I love and expand on that.
SimonTesla
6 years, 9 months ago
I almost want to argue with you just so I can find an excuse to make a "rebuttal" pun. ;3

Still, fascinating stuff. n.n
thestooge
6 years, 9 months ago
I always love it when an artist's skill increases, the butts that they draw get bigger and rounder!
Milkie
6 years, 9 months ago
I always have been, and remain, terribly glad that I was never one of those people who got hung up on the way you drew butts. I recognized it as being what it was: exaggeration, to be sure, and such that was done for the sake of a personal appeal. Guy draws what he likes, who can argue with that? I've seen different takes on it, things that are so much "worse" or just so much more unrealistic, receive so much less flak for it... Never made sense to me why you in particular got so much BS over some butts.

But I suppose if Gideon gets tube dicks, you get butt people. Them's the breaks!

Always nice though, to have this entire subset of genetics entirely devoted to the very thing you d. I have a very special place in my heart for the ability to hold something up and say, "Take that, critics!" I trust that even with such ammunition, you won't let it get to your head though. Just nice to always have that in your back pocket.
SoraWolf7
6 years, 9 months ago
It's really interesting to see that there are indeed bubble-butts out there in the world, and even further than that. Just goes to show that art imitates life and potentially vice-versa.

Kinda sucks hearing that you did have to deal with those kinda people, but I guess we all do at some point.

Now if only I didn't have that butt shape as a guy... Curse genetics from my mom's side.
Xial
6 years, 9 months ago
I should probably chime in on this for obvious reasons.

I never had an issue with the butts as they grew.
It may be because I grew up with women with asses large enough to hold a snack tray while they stood upright (not that I would do it because they would slap the taste clear out my face). I mean, when you've seen something out in meatspace, and then see it in art, it seems to make immediate sense, but for people who have never seen masses of assflesh jiggling and wobbling for real, it's harder for it to be rationalized when facing down a jello-butted wolf woman¹.

I did at least learn a neat word out of all this: steatopygia. I think I like where this word leads.

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¹ - ... I'll bring the whipped cream.
Norithics
6 years, 9 months ago
'Jello-butted wolf woman' sounds like a 1950s boogie-woogie classic. ❤

Yeah, I danced around it a bit, but it definitely is a regional perspective. There are a lot of very homogenous pockets in the world, so for some people this is an eye-opening wonder, and for others, a laughable report by Captain Obvious. That's what's so simultaneously amazing and frustrating about the internet: you can learn anything, but assumptions are king. And also, what standards of beauty and types of bodies you're exposed to depend a lot on the language you use and the people who run the sites you visit. 'Diversity' is more than a buzzword- you need it to fully grasp what's possible!
Hayman
6 years, 9 months ago
wow... What a journey! XD Big Fat Butts have been here for centuries!
Jig
Jig
6 years, 9 months ago
Funny to think people can say butts like that are fake. I was at the Cheshire oaks designer outlet earlier today and well.. Lets just say after seeing about 100 people with butts like those can they really be fake? XD
Tendrak
6 years, 9 months ago
Very interesting finds. And the upward projecting curve of the ass was one of the first things I noticed about about our butts when I started working on my own. It's really intriguing to see that time and again in real asses. You wouldn't think it would happen but it does, and a lot more often than I ever would have suspected.
But yeah, understanding sag, weight, movement, and fine details in breasts are all really important. -Of course- you plug in fantasy physics, that's half the point! And of course the same is true for butts. So keep art journeying and I'll keep cheating off your homework. XD
Norithics
6 years, 9 months ago
It really is just the thing that keeps surprising you, isn't it? Like ya try to apply the understanding of most other parts and aspects but there's just... something going on that's just barely outta reach and all you can do is accept it!
pyrostinger
6 years, 9 months ago
Huh. I never thought this was a thing. Of course, I am quite familiar with chocolate booties, so perhaps my perspective (often silent as it is) never really opted for criticism. I think my only complaint, such as it is, is that there's not a lot of meat on the ladies you draw in general. Yes, yes, exaggerated bums and chests and bits, but not a lot of thick ladies.

Anyway, nice find, dude.
Watchering
6 years, 9 months ago
Man, I wish it was possible to favorite journals.
Norithics
6 years, 9 months ago
Haha, really, this one?
Watchering
6 years, 9 months ago
Yeah, weird huh?
Norithics
6 years, 9 months ago
I looked at your favorites after asking this question.
It's not weird.
It's not weird at all. XD
Watchering
6 years, 9 months ago
Nooooooo, my shame!
A111
6 years, 9 months ago
To be honest even then Natalie had a nice ass, i like both the realistic and "unrealistic" type of ass.
Norithics
6 years, 9 months ago
That's the thing, you know? It's not even like I think one kind is inferior- I just want to celebrate the variety! Carrie has the kind of butt Natalie used to have, and by all rights it's amazing- it's just that it gets literally overshadowed by her girlfriend's. Which she doesn't care that much about, because she's all about grabbin' dat waff back.
A111
6 years, 9 months ago
Yeah Carrie has a nice ass to grab too
bustergundam4
6 years, 9 months ago
nori the big butt little king.

this make a lot of sense.

If you need a butt reference let me know and I can provide one. XD
SkwovetOps
6 years, 9 months ago
When you come here for the porn but stay for enlightening 10 minute read on Exaggerated Anatomy and Fictional artwork. An enjoyable read honestly. Glad I decided to flip through my journal stack to find this.
Norithics
6 years, 9 months ago
It's ever my hope that my long-winded blatherings prove at least passably interesting! I put so much thought into this nonsense, if I don't share my findings I'll explode.
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