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CuriousFerret

Republican calls for lynching free speech or threats?

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State Rep. Karl Oliver of Mississippi calls for lynching those that remove Confederate monuments.


Congressman Al Green of Houston threatened at a town hall with lynching for calling for the Impeachment of President Trump.

I've been soundly rebuked by some here for publicly hating on Nazi and the Alt Right.  But really how is threats of lynching free speech?
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Added: 6 years, 11 months ago
 
Teko
6 years, 11 months ago
This is where "free speech" becomes "racially motivated hate speech", and it's unacceptable, I agree.
KevinSnowpaw
6 years, 11 months ago
I dont see how it's race motivated unless i missed something. It seems to mean in the first example at least, that the man was upset about peoples disregard for historical property.  I dont see how it is, keeping that in mind, hate speech either.


Tactless and stupid yes! I expect better from a man who holds a public office, though at this point I ask myself WHY i expect better.
Teko
6 years, 11 months ago
Telling people to lynch a black man is as clear an example of racially charged anger as I can think of.
KevinSnowpaw
6 years, 11 months ago
your speaking of the second example correct? the one with the random citizen? thats a pretty ass hatty thing to do yes, but more then just black people were "lynched" by lunch mobs, though it did more often target blacks then It did whites Lynching is just the act of Extrajudicial murder.

So assuming the moron knew what Lynching actually meant, a death threat and is serious on it's own but not automatically racial.

Im not defending the idiot =p but we need to stop throwing around terms like hate speech and assuming racism especialy right now with things so charged as they are. he could BE racist and it coudl BE racialy motivated but threating to lynch a guy who happens to be black is no more racist then offering to buy him dinner and taking him to KFC. It's a Resterount, or a Murder (in in KFC's case possibly both XD) now if he said lynch you nigger! well.... No comeing back from that XD

Still a murder threat though.

if you are refering to the FIRST Link...that was a guy in office makeing an impassioned statement that people removeing Historical objects becouse there confederate, should be lynched not spasificly black people.
mouse24
6 years, 11 months ago
Its a daily thing here in Mississippi, and I get called biased and rage filled ever time i point the true colors of the so called Hospitality State.
umbreon45
6 years, 11 months ago
I hear you. Our state is ass backwards
BrokenPupper
6 years, 11 months ago
Threats are not covered.
moyomongoose
6 years, 11 months ago
It looks like those guys wouldn't be satisfied unless everyone who are not them ride in the boxcars;
CFB Train from Early 1900s by moyomongoose
Montec
6 years, 11 months ago
Hopefully one of them will actually get jailtime, then maybe the rest will crawl back into whatever hole they came out of
foxboyprower
6 years, 11 months ago
I thought this was a joke at first, but holy shit man.
CuriousFerret
6 years, 11 months ago
And the GOP still vocally states that racism is dead and no longer a problem.
KevinSnowpaw
6 years, 11 months ago
i took a look at the two articals above. the second one was a caller, so, some random citizan. Who should not be spouting threats idle or otherwise, but i can understand his impassioned statement as incorrect as it may be. we have all said to our selves or friends SO and so better not do this or im gonna fucking kill them! doesnt mean were actualy harboring such intent.

still calling in and threatening congressmen with lynching is a pretty dumb thing to do, and should and probably will be taken as a potential threat.

as for the first link.. same damn thing, only Being in the public eye and being spoken by somebody who holds a public office, he should know better then to be so tactless with his sentiment.


But hey at least there not setting things on fire! =p in the first example there expressing deep disgust with a here to unnamed group of peoples complete disregard for historical public property! and could have put it better but he did apologize.

the second example is just and idgit, being an idgit.
CuriousFerret
6 years, 11 months ago
Richard Spencer and a bunch of his alt right freinds brought torches to defend a confederate monument in Virginia

They are closers to burning it down then I'm comfortable with.

Even with the apology from the knob in Mississippi, if he had any self respect and care for his party he would resign, and his fellow Republicans should demand he does if not throw him out.
KevinSnowpaw
6 years, 11 months ago
well spencer is from what I can tell, pretty much a tool so I dont find myself terribly surpised by this..still you would think after the bout of publicity he got from being slugged in the face, that he might play nice for a while if he wanted people to listen to him.


this is just further prof that sunlight really is the best disinfectant.
CuriousFerret
6 years, 11 months ago
Richard was being harassed at his gym and a African American women trainer came to his defense during the altercation.

He really only does more harm then good for his cause.

But seeing a black woman come to save him is the kind of irony I live for.

He's such a cuck.
KevinSnowpaw
6 years, 11 months ago
i agree. Im still sorry he got punched that was wrong... but he deserved to get punched even if it was wrong =p
sedkitty
6 years, 11 months ago
This inscription is on one of the monuments in question.   It's not about history.  It's about hate.
KevinSnowpaw
6 years, 11 months ago
It's pretty vile sure, but i still dont think it should be ripped down and destroyed. We should learn from history not erase it. That ugly reminder should stand as a monument to things we did wrong.
CuriousFerret
6 years, 11 months ago
Sadly the Alt Right and too many others don't view the civil war as a fight over slavery and white supremacy.

Even our standing president fails to understand how, why, or even when it came about.

They cover their racist intent under state rights and try to change history while ignoring what the monument they guard actually says etched in the stone.
Teko
6 years, 11 months ago
The Mayor of New Orleans recently gave a speech about why they're removing these monuments. He made the point that these monuments were erected 19 years after the end of the Civil War by a group known as The Cult of the Lost Cause, a white supremacist group whose goal was to 're-brand' the Civil War as a patriotic part of history. But that in 2017 there's no way to defend keeping them in the city -- that all they do is serve to remind people of terror, slavery, and a time when people wanted to destroy the USA.
KevinSnowpaw
6 years, 11 months ago
to be fare it WAS a fight over states rights, the issue of slavery was at the core of that fight since the souths econamy was heavaly dependent on slave labour at the time.

it doesnt make slavery any less Vile, but lets not suger coat it. the north diddent see the cival war through over slaves. they did it over states right just like the south tried to ceceed over being told  they wernt allowed slaves.

but yeah like I said slavvery bad, but historicaly speaking the north was far less alturistic then they like to make it out now adays =p
CuriousFerret
6 years, 11 months ago
The conservitive faction of the Republican party certainly wasn't too concerned with the welling being of slaves, there is a reason Thaddeus Stevens was the leader of the Radical Republicans and ablitionists.

But the southern states stated in their secession declarations they left to preserve slavery.  And the fact they attack first proved they intended to spread it as far as they could.
KevinSnowpaw
6 years, 11 months ago
yes they did but it was still more about economics then White Supremacy that was just a pleasant (for them) after thought.

Slavery was wrong, is wrong has allways been wrong will allways be wrong, and while it WAS a factor the south was just tired fo the north telling them to give up what they felt was there livelyhood. I supose it had to come to war in the end since the south wouldent parlay and the north was unable to fernish them with a salution besides 'were done with slavery now" Still im glad the north won.
CuriousFerret
6 years, 11 months ago
I worry you feel this is getting personal, or that I'm getting judgmental.  I'm really only putting forward the historical facts.  

Go look up what the first Confederate flag looked like and why.  They went through three diffrent banners before the end.  It should illuminating.

The fact it took almost 100 years and over 600000 dead on the fields of battle before we got rid of slavery in America is a stain on our forefathers reputation and at clear hypocrisy of the freedoms they originally fought for.  The war was a horrible sacrifice and a toll on both sides.  Out of respect of those dead we should be honest on the cause.  Their reasons are etched in stone of their monuments after all.

It's late for me, I won't be on till the morning.
KevinSnowpaw
6 years, 11 months ago
Oh im not takeing it personal im just more defensive then useual of people slinging around Racism and other deplorable terms that have been reduced to mere buzzwords at this point.


I agree Slavery was a major motivator for the south, but meny sotherners were fighting over what they felt was states rights at the time.


For what it's worth I feel they were wrong and rights only go so far when there shitting on the rights of other liveing human beings. So they really had no claim to salvery it was an evil that needed to go. You wont find argument from me on that.


But at the same time I CAN understand a desire to preserve the history of the confederacy. It shouldent be erased it should be remembered. Why it happened, why it failed, and how not to repeat those mistakes.
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