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furnut5158

IB Chat App a Possibility?

Following Discord's updated rules against posting "tasteless" images like loli/shota (cub most likely thrown in as well), is it possible for IB to make their own chat app, so none of this shit happens?

Discord rules:  https://discordapp.com/guidelines

I have no idea the costs or requirements needed to do this.  What do you all think, to have a place to chat and post NSFW images without moral policing?
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Added: 6 years, 12 months ago
 
KevinSnowpaw
6 years, 12 months ago
an interesting idea but creating and maintaining an app is much harder  then a website forum...but it would be neat.
furnut5158
6 years, 12 months ago
oh i haven't thought of the cost of maintaining an app.  ;__;
SciMunk
6 years, 12 months ago
There is this open source alternative called riot : https://riot.im/ never tried it, but at least there can't really be rules applied to it.
furnut5158
6 years, 12 months ago
ooh interesting o.o   i'll check that out. thanks!

"Paid hosting plans coming soon."   uh oh >_>;
SciMunk
6 years, 12 months ago
if you plan on give it a try, I can help you setup a server, just send me a pm ;)
furnut5158
6 years, 12 months ago
i made a server and it seems you can upload files to it, but there's only 1 room.  if i'm to upload patreon images, i'll need to make a second room dedicated to that only.

i think this will work. :D
SciMunk
6 years, 12 months ago
Well, i was talking about a dedicated server, i under use mine so i could eventually setup riot on it.
furnut5158
6 years, 12 months ago
whats the advantage of setting up a dedicated server for riot?  I don't know much about servers :P
SciMunk
6 years, 12 months ago
Lets say if you use your own computer as a server, what will happen if you shut it down? Or if it crash?
 Or if your internet connection get overused because you download something?

A dedicated server is like a computer that stay on 24/7, so you don't experience any shutdown, they usually are very expensive (can come from 10€ to more than 100.000€),that what people usually rent them monthly at a more affordable price, and are located in place called Datacenter.

So the main advantage? It will stay on non stop regardless of the status of your computer.
furnut5158
6 years, 12 months ago
wait....I thought making a room means it hosts on their matrix network.  kinda like how discord rooms/servers are hosted on their own network.  It actually hosts on my computer??
SciMunk
6 years, 12 months ago
I don't really know what you did, but the point of riot is to be able to host your OWN server, with as much room and user you want, and with the rules YOU set.

now I would assume that you connected on their 'default public server', and tried to create your own room, then yes : it is hosted on their own server, and they can still 'monitor' the message people send through it.
SciMunk
6 years, 12 months ago
just leaving a reply in case you missed my last message, I kinda wanted to launch a com service for furry a moment ago, just didn't found the right oportunity to do it.

anyway, if you're not intersted anymore, that fine by me.

have a great day!
furnut5158
6 years, 12 months ago
it sounds a bit too involved for what i want.  thanks anyway ^^
SciMunk
6 years, 12 months ago
Too bad, cause one it setup, it setup, you just start sending the invit.

No problem then.
tannim
6 years, 12 months ago
What are you looking for in such an app feature wise?
furnut5158
6 years, 12 months ago
i'm looking for an app that i can chat and create a sub-channel that you can only post images in.  It's risky to post cub stuff on Patreon itself, so I heard that I can do that on discord, but now with discord being an ass, I'm looking into Riot now.

Riot seems to work, but I'll have to make 2 separate rooms/servers to do this.  1 for chat, and 1 for images.
tannim
6 years, 12 months ago
Minorly annoying but very easy to do as you say with just making two rooms.  You could always try a mailing list. Old but if all you are doing is sending out a link, it would work the same. Everybody has email : )
JinxMcKenzie
6 years, 12 months ago
What about telegram ?
Also how do you know if cub art is even affected?
tannim
6 years, 12 months ago
telegram requires real phone number, F that.
JinxMcKenzie
6 years, 12 months ago
getting a prepaid number is not an option for you ?
lichu246
6 years, 12 months ago
I think there already exists a group chat on Telegram, and also you can create channels just for pics there
tannim
6 years, 12 months ago
telegram requires real phone number, F that.
lichu246
6 years, 12 months ago
Just for logging in, damn... it does not get public for anyone else later if you don't share it.
fibs
6 years, 12 months ago
It's still another bit of personal information saved on another server that can potentially be compromised, allowing an attacker to link your real identity to your artwork.
nanokoex
6 years, 12 months ago
If i got to talk with you bud im up for an IB chat system
srfox
6 years, 12 months ago
There is Candid, but it is not exactly a chat messenger app. More like an anonymous Facebook.

https://becandid.com/
It was created in reaction to Facebook's whiteknighting cuckold attitudes and censoring.
furnut5158
6 years, 12 months ago
hmm that seems to be phones only.  I heard Riot would work, though, for browsers/desktops.
fluffdance
6 years, 12 months ago
Not sure how an IM client enforces something like that...  :\
furnut5158
6 years, 12 months ago
ive been reading comments about how tumblr (or was it twitter?) did that right before they sold themselves.  its a way to legally cover all their bases before money is exchanged.
fluffdance
6 years, 12 months ago
Right, but those are websites hosting content.  Discord is an IM client.  @__@
SciMunk
6 years, 12 months ago
every message you send from an IM client first pass through their own server before sending it back to the final recipient, this way they could filter any message that go on, to make a simple exemple : they ask the software to display to the moderator any message containing a certain word or text (eg : e621), kind of like a profanity filter work, they replace predefined word by '******'.( but that totally automatic and don't require actual humain moderator)

same principe on how NSA spying work, heh.....
AlexanderValentine
6 years, 12 months ago
Telegram would be nice.
Although there is the issue of getting the account set up on a phone... Pretty sure any cheap throwaway SMS phone can get you logged in. From then, just use the desktop client. Mine has still yet to log me out.

It'd be nice if Telegram could make subgroups in a group channel... And with the recent decision discord has made, I'd like to see if we can get them to see that as a possibility.

(Also, sharing your phone number is not as weird as you think. Just don't share your contact and you'll be fine.)
furnut5158
6 years, 12 months ago
there's other programs that don't need to share a phone number, so i'd rather try those instead.  I do my best to not share my number as much as possible.  >_>;
AlexanderValentine
6 years, 12 months ago
I do wish the number was optional.

But anyone can create an email and make an account in a lot of places. The fact that they require your phone number is a good alternative. At least I think so.
furnut5158
6 years, 12 months ago
i don't trust them to keep my number safe :P
AlexanderValentine
6 years, 12 months ago
Hey, if Islamic Terror supporting groups can use it and not get tracked...
(I heard they use telegram for Secret Chat groups. Since everything gets erased in a specific time period)
furnut5158
6 years, 12 months ago
I can totally see their brand "Our encryption is so secure, even terrorist groups sign up!"
AlexanderValentine
6 years, 12 months ago
I've only heard of them doing so. If anything, at least telegram works well enough with privacy.

Maybe I should ask them how using a phone number works, and how the information is secured...
gaysnakesandicecream
6 years, 12 months ago
Well, either the ban is gonna fall, or Discord is. I know a lot of servers out there with a ton of loli/shota/cub.

EDIT: I'm gonna be checking out Riot and casually keeping an eye on this journal. I could do with a place to host my art.
furnut5158
6 years, 12 months ago
yep!  better stick to the side of caution, just in case.
gaysnakesandicecream
6 years, 12 months ago
True that, true that. Hopefully we know for better or worse soon how Discord is gonna lean.
PizzaKing64
6 years, 12 months ago
That sounds like a great idea. You should inform the Admins about it in the future. :)
furnut5158
6 years, 12 months ago
done! :D
PizzaKing64
6 years, 12 months ago
Yahoo!

Thanks, brother! :D
GreenReaper
6 years, 12 months ago
Possible, in the long term. But we probably wouldn't want to get into hosting images dropped into such a chat due to the potential moderation/liability issues, so I doubt we're a solution for your use-case.

It would be a significant amount of work, and our main purpose is to help furries share their own art, which we already do quite well via this website. :-D
furnut5158
6 years, 12 months ago
Ah I see, its understandable.  And thanks for the many years of service for this site :D  Definitely way better than the others I've been on.
IkkyKrrk
6 years, 11 months ago
Previously before this update to rules (as in a week ago)  porn was just in general not allowed on discord. Then they did say "okay porn is allowed as long as you mark channels nsfw" and now loli/shota/cub isn't allowed. Point of explaining that is to give context for me to say that I've never been banned for posting porn in the past 2 years before this update.

Unless your in large servers that attract a lot of attention that for some reason have channels dedicated to nsfw content and allow underage, I think your safe to post what you want. As for alternatives. Yeah. Riot sounds pretty good. If worse comes to worst. There's always skype
furnut5158
6 years, 11 months ago
skype is evil and made from the dreams of crushed souls, but i still use it because my friends are on there.

Not sure if I can use skype as a means for image distribution.  There's no way to make an archive of pics that is readily available for new patrons.  
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