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AvaBun

So I just wasted an entire day playing Yooka-Laylee

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What are people complaining about again?

I mean, I'm not completely clueless. I've listened around a little, but avoided spoiling myself too much and just wanted to give the thing a shot before ripping over it myself but... To me the experience is freaking... amazeballs. I wasn't even expecting my interest to last longer than maybe an hour or two, and then I blew 9 of them and couldn't believe it.

To be honest and put things in a different perspective, what's going on with our generation? We tend to be heavily focused toward ripping games new arseholes based solely upon our peers' opinions, and this one definitely isn't the first game that has received ire. I don't expect it to be the last, either...

Is this just going to be the thing that all games have to deal with from this point forward?
Please, i'd love to hear your thoughts.

- Paupë
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Added: 6 years, 11 months ago
 
MistahToonCatUwU
6 years, 11 months ago
i just hear it's soso, more of how 90's games were which i was hoping for a new take on the genre
tkongingi
6 years, 11 months ago
So, people got mad that they got EXACTLY what they were backing?
MistahToonCatUwU
6 years, 11 months ago
oh definitely not lol

publisher and the pr team was actually attacking backers for wanting to back out, and quite honestly after mighty number 9's pr incident, NO ONE

and i mean, NO ONE
wants to back a kickstarter like that, shame they showed their true colors so late
Kavukamari
6 years, 11 months ago
i didnt hear about that, is there articles about it?
AvaBun
6 years, 11 months ago
What new take were you looking for?

The game certainly feels like a love letter to the generation, and honestly I love it for that. But I personally wanted more games that are from that generation, rather than new takes on them, so my own tastes are biased and sated by this. \3
Keeran
6 years, 11 months ago
From what I heard it wasn't the game itself, but what the developers  did to JonTron  because his political views didn't match theirs (even though it's unrelated to the game.
AvaBun
6 years, 11 months ago
Eeh... Life is politics; it's literally governed by them. One cannot speak politically, especially about racial bias, and not expect some form of response in some way (nor should they not get a response, for that matter) so... It's par for the course, as far as I'm concerned.

Besides, it's not surprising that Jon may have offended someone on a game with a staff full of people from different backgrounds. It's why publicly expressing racial bias as a media figure is a bad idea--you literally have no way of telling who is actually watching you until you offend them. It was a bad move all around. >_<
Keeran
6 years, 11 months ago
I'm starting to see a trend with the use of that statement. Both the left and the right like to use that argument when  their side  voices an opinion  about a famous person's statement and there happens to be negative backlash against them. But when a famous person's on their side voices their opinion and they receive negative backlash,  it's always "an attack on free speech."

It's exactly the same thing yet everyone wants to complain about their free speech rights being taken. We had something similar when one of the actresses from  Saturday Night Live said something against Trump that caused negative light on her and that caused SNL to suspend her from acting. a lot of  left-leaning people made the same complaint.
tkongingi
6 years, 11 months ago
Everyone is contaminated with this stupid misconception that "free speech" means freedom only for the speaker, and not freedom for the soapbox owner to choose who speaks in it, or freedom for the audience not to listen.
Keeran
6 years, 11 months ago
well, for the last part, there's a difference between not listening and throwing shit at the preacher on the soapbox.

I't'd be different if it was people ignoring statement, but we're talking about vehement negative reactions  that both sides have shown. How far do negative repercussions go for things to be considered acceptable?
AvaBun
6 years, 11 months ago
Honestly, it's not that people just shouldn't listen; The biggest problem is that consquences are consequences. They never stopped being consequences, we just stopped remembering that we have to deal with them.

Everyone wants a soap box, but everyone also wants to go back into obscurity or anonymity after standing on it. We all need to accept that the words we put out there may actually effect people in our lives in a way we don't like. We all have to know that life has always been that way. It's simply a fact of life.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but If posting your own political views in public will cost you a job (which has always been the case), show restraint.
Keeran
6 years, 11 months ago
I definitely don't disagree with you there.
Aurelius
6 years, 11 months ago
From what I keep seeing it feels like people just wanted an actual Banjo Threeie and they keep comparing their nostalgia to Yooka-Laylee, which won't work. The only way they would be satisfied would be with a proper Banjo game, not a spiritual successor.

I also heard about how the PC controls aren't very good, so that might have contributed to things.

Regarding your different perspective, it feels to me like people nowadays see problems with EVERYTHING, not just games. It's so easy to offend people nowadays. Make a joke about women. boom, feminists. make a joke about transgender. boom, more drama. Someone used the wrong voice for a character. drama.

Essentially, it feels like this generation and society as a whole is becoming a big bag of special snowflakes who have to have things exactly as they imagined, and you better not do anything wrong or you'll face the wrath of the internet.
Felino
6 years, 11 months ago
Eh, we just have to learn how to judge a game based on our own experiences i suppose
Aurelius
6 years, 11 months ago
" Felino wrote:
Eh, we just have to learn how to judge a game based on our own experiences i suppose


This is exactly why I only play games that I think I myself would play. There are plenty of games with amazing reviews that I will not play because I don't see myself playing it.
hybridkid
6 years, 11 months ago
No, people liked it
It was decently recieved (average about 7/10)
It just has some technical quirks and few bad design elements that grinded into some folks.
Most outlets still reccomend the game though
AvaBun
6 years, 11 months ago
Oh? That's good to hear. I was hoping that I wasn't going insane while loving the living tar out of the game that seemed to be commonly panned. Perhaps It's just my own media/review selection that seems to be against it, rather than "everyone"
iankeaton
6 years, 11 months ago
One thing I remember was that Jontron was removed as a voice actor due to drama and it miffed a few people. Also I've started to just not really listen to reviewers much anymore, especially if they give a score to games. Often I play a game but hear it sucks from people who haven't played it, but because some influencer said it was bad, it must be regurgitated massively regardless on what their personal experience on the game is.

Reviewers play a lot of games, so much so that to some they are merely paperwork to them. At least that's what some of them say. So they tend to be more critical of issues. They rush through, hopping to meet some deadline so they can get the most views or it could be to generate traffic for giving a controversial view to a game.

I kind of want nothing to do with it anymore and just trust my own opinion. I have enough things in my life to bring me down. I'd rather it not be a hobby I enjoy.
AvaBun
6 years, 11 months ago
I hear you there. I read the Jimquisition review of the game and he seemed off-put by the whole experience, but despite it I never really ran into the stuff he had issues with...

As a person who also enjoys playing Mighty No.9, I'm pretty sure that games that I actually enjoy will be commonly shat upon from this point forward.... But I really just hoped that people would have a little bit more of an "Let me see for myself" attitude about this.

Wishful thinking though, I know.
Keeran
6 years, 11 months ago
People are miffed that JonTron was cut from the game's development because of what he said on Twitter. People  called out his views as racist and like Pewdiepie,  the Yooka-Laylee devs pulled him out to save on political PR which I personally find it stupid, given the people who ousted him were people who try to find everything sexist, racist, and homphobic in video-games.
AvaBun
6 years, 11 months ago
They didn't necessarily have to look that hard. JonTron's statements echoed so hard through media that people who aren't interested were also able to hear them.

You can't be a figure of importance and expect no one to hear what you say...
Keeran
6 years, 11 months ago
well, that may be the case, but oftentimes,  it's cherry-picked if the person if interest happens to be a member of the non-marginalized or if they're a huge contributor of the current interest group.

The problem is when  you  look into the situation and look at the context, even if you may not agree with the person,  the people that committed the defamation did so in order to generate more views. Defamation hurts people  and it goes to show  everything's govenred by whether or not you agree with something or not
AvaBun
6 years, 11 months ago
I agree with you about the defamation; it's a heinous crime to drag someone's name through the mud about something they never said or did.
Aogami
6 years, 11 months ago
Most reviews of the game seem mixed or positive, just not glowing. Seems like a nostalgia-fest that's cashing in on people who liked the Banjo-kazooie games. Nothing wrong with that, but it's going to feel dated to people who don't have those nostalgia goggles to look through.
AvaBun
6 years, 11 months ago
I suppose that's very true. I never really played Banjo-Kazooie for long, or really liked it much, but I loved DK64 and Conker's BFD, so it still pushes all of the buttons i have for love of the genre~
BreakingCloud
6 years, 11 months ago
I agree. My 5 year old laptop can barely handle it so I played through it (stubbornly) through frame and input lag, and I STILL enjoyed it (granted I can't and didn't get very far) but that says a lot.

I look forward to receiving my replacement and stronger PC to play it in all its glory
Tydaze
6 years, 11 months ago
People who expected the game to be something other than what it explicitly set out to be...

People who are so anti "political correctness" that they find the removal of Jon Jafari's voice clips to be an irredeemable offense...

People who do not understand the nature of pledging a donation and think that anything happening that makes them the slightest bit upset entitles them to take back that pledge...

And people who just love to jump on the bandwagon to bash whatever target is acceptable at the moment.

In other words, hypocrites on the internet have knee-jerk reactions and can't think rationally. No surprises there.
Deretto
6 years, 11 months ago
Ugh, didn't mean to reply to ya, sorry
AvaBun
6 years, 11 months ago
amen >_<;
Dogyuun
6 years, 11 months ago
i don't think it's a bad game per se, i think the long development period got people thinking it would be more than it actually was. glad you enjoy it 0:) have fun out there
Deretto
6 years, 11 months ago
People that LOVED Banjo Kazooie basically see this as a massively inferior attempt to clone the game while bringing very little originality. The devs claim to be MODERNIZING this game. So you can't really argue that bad controls and camera as a defense for "staying nostalgic."

A good example of a game the rides on Nostalgia and does it right (aka modernizing it) is Shovel Knight.

There's also the fact that the devs made a politicall charged move and announced changes to their game. Yes, it's well within their rights. No one can argue you that, but you also can't argue against the public being allowed to react to their reaction.
AvaBun
6 years, 11 months ago
Hehe, basically everyone's allowed to react to anything. I haven't had issues with controls or camera, but It's too bad that people see it as inferior. It's quite fun regardless.

I can't understand how people say that the game is bad based on non-game-related events. \3
TwoTails
6 years, 11 months ago
I don't know what that is, but people especially these days can be irked by false advertising, now added peers.. stuff like " it's just like [popular classic here] but [better and/or with new thing here too]", then they expect alot, get disappointed.
Plus people have different tastes and different buttons..
People generally liked Cave Story, I found it nice, but people compared Undertale to it .. which I couldn't stand even watching footage of because there were a few too many art & gameplay & sound effect styles that annoy me (similar reason I hated some of the classic Mario game remakes, mostly because of the fucking annoying excessively repetitive character vocals).
But then people flip out if you don't like something "popular"! Keep asking why, try to disprove, don't respect that not everyone is the same, not everyone is everyone.

And about worrying about wastes of time, try years of being too ill, burntout & kept busy with annoying tasks especially right when I'm in a creative mood, which it ruins.

[Cliche sigh should go here]
AvaBun
6 years, 11 months ago
I don't believe Yooka-Laylee falsely advertised anything. Mighty No.9 to some extent, but Yooka Laylee didn't.

I don't quite understand why anyone would compare a wonderful indie platformer to a wonderful indie RPG... but I mean, to each their own, I suppose. I guess they just wanted to place two wonderful games on the same pedastool....?
Zaaru
6 years, 11 months ago
I will add that I've heard that many of the complaints the reviewers made were some bugs or camera issues that were actually patched when the game got released, so maybe they put a lower score than usual due to those? Not sure on that though!

Yooka-Laylee is like a Banjo game, for the good and the bad, and I think that's completely fine. From what I saw in trailers and gameplays it was never intended to reinvent anything but to please the fans of Banjo. Maybe it could be a better game? Why yes! But you could say that about anything. I think that, in this case, nostalgia really matters a lot. From what I've seen it looks like a pretty nice game, and a reviewer I trust *only* complained that the camera was kind of wonky sometimes (when it moves from following you to a static point and you move forwards and backwards, so it gets crazy) and that Yooka felt a bit slippery.

I wouldn't worry much at all about Internet opinions, press, etc. I think we've gotten to a point where those influence us too much, and also people also tend to snowball things. In the end, it's just better to just enjoy the games. You will always find someone angry because of *anything*, even if it's a very minor thing, so there's not really a point :<
PantyRanger
6 years, 11 months ago
I don't understand either. The game looks great honestly.
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