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I am the type of guy that does not approve of rape or anything that resembles rape. I mean, what kind of satisfaction do you get out of something like that? To me, it's not a fetish, it's more of a mental hiccup. If you even draw it, you might enjoy that type of thing. I don't believe that you will actually practice what you will draw but I still don't think it's pleasant to see. Ether way, you might just be drawing it to relieve that tension that you have. Which most people do on any topic or matter that they're interested in. I'm only saying this because I've seen posts of it. I am definitely not saying these people who like it are bad people. We all have our quarks. But when I see these things that I and ONLY I have problems looking at, it disturbs me to the core. (My observations are not meant to cause drama. They are only that... observations.)

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Meowz

7 years, 1 month ago

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That's alright. Though this probably means you'll have a lot of wtf moments on sites like IB and FA.

To me, it's part of a domination/submission fantasy. You are obviously not going to fulfill every single fantasy you've ever had, because they might include doing harm, or you'd really hate it. Lust and fiction have a tendency to feed into each other though. God, how boring my sexual fantasies would be, if there wasn't any bdsm going on. If there wasn't the door leading to all kinds of things, such as degradation, coercion, and slavery.

I get nothing out of regular porn. If I want to see two beautiful people making love, which is nice and good, I'm fairly sure I can create that moment right here at home. Hehe. Just seeing the act of random people humping is pleasant to look at, but not arousing so much. Because 90% of everything that's going on isn't the lewd acts alone, no, the most important stuff happens inside the persons brain.

You can have that with very soft things as well, it doesn't have to be rape. Getting a very slow and very deliberate tickle attack... and you try not to move? You could draw this out forever, and some people, like me, could get off just by pretending to be unable to move, while somebody tickles my neck and throat and face and all that.

I just prefer naughty, not nice, I guess.

Gennie

7 years, 1 month ago

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I just completely don't agree with you.

peanuts

7 years, 1 month ago

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As far as I'm concerned rape isn't a sex thing, it's an act of violence. Some people like violence with their sex, like me. I hate rape and anything non-consensual, but I know that when it comes to fiction it's only a turn on. Outside of fiction? Well, I've got all the insults in the world for rapists.

GFHCDK76

7 years, 1 month ago

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@ peanuts

Such things as this is not so binary as good or bad.

I do see it as sex with some fantasies such as those involving BDSM, an act of rape implied as role-playing is one thing. At that rate, it is consensual sex of sorts to those involved. It's not so much rape at that point, but just some forced upon sex, just some personal playing around.

It's rape when it's not consensual to the one being forced upon. And I agree, real rape is not something that any should be doing. As for displaying it in art and/or stories, well, to me that is another matter.

Kupok

7 years, 1 month ago

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It certainly is a good thing then that IB is founded on the ideals of tagging one's work so that another may locate or block such tags.

If an artist refuses to tag work, please be certain to ask that artist nicely, then open a support ticket if compliance is not reached.

BillySquirrel

7 years, 1 month ago

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I'm not a fan of it ether.

Poulet7

7 years, 1 month ago

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I'll be honest, I don't like it ether, however i understand that its more of a fetish. i know plenty couples who have roleplayed the rape fantasy scenarios. I know a fur couple I've done several pieces for, who are in a serious S&M relationship. Even though there playing can get rather extreme, they know there limits and know the difference between fantasy, and taking things too far. thats where i come in. they commission me to do art of there more hardcore fantasies. ones they would never do in rl.

In the end i feel its a real life vs fantasy. anyone who thinks actions like that are ok in real life is just bonkers. We could spend all day talking about art imitating life and we'll keep coming to the same conclusion, its the people. People do bad things, true they may claim stupid shit like a movie, video game, or art made them do it, but in the end its that person.

Before working on art here i use to think the same. "oh that guy who got that rape, snuff, or scatt, pic is a gross asshole. fuck that dude." but after meeting that couple, it gave me a chance to meet some rather down to earth, nice people. only difference between me and them is when there lights turn off, the whips, chains, and friends come over to have fun. and thats all them.

There are plenty stupid people out there who will think what they see, fantasy or not, is a life to aspire to. those are the ones you should worry about.

AxleFurret

7 years, 1 month ago

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Rape by its very nature cannot be "enjoyed" it is not something anyone could "want" other than a rapist.

People seem to confuse "rape" for "rough sex" in the fandom.

Ramblo

7 years, 1 month ago

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The justification I was given was that it depends on why the "victim" is saying "No" to sex. For example, if they internally dream or fantasize about the sex on offer and really want to say "Yes", but are afraid of what other people will think of them for having sex with a stranger, or are so inexperienced that the thought scares them into saying no, or are too shy to say anything, then under this circumstance the "rapist" is raping the willing, which in a sense isn't "rape".

I remember when I was at a certain age, I was too gay to date, as my father would never allow it, so I fantasized about someone simplifying the equation for me, by forcing themselves on me. Life is complicated, sex is itself insanely complicated, sometimes the wrong way feels simpler for both the victim and perpetrator.

So, this is why we have the fantasy. Of course, anyone carrying out such a fantasy would have been wrong. Fantasy is not reality, and the realities of actual rape will very quickly destroy any foundation the fantasy was built upon. However, art is not reality. People make art about it so they can enjoy the fantasy, since the reality could never resemble it.

GFHCDK76

7 years, 1 month ago

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@ Ramblo

I think you hit it on the head for some. Yes, it is not so easy to say if such is right or wrong under some various conditions. You can't rape the willing. No matter how it is viewed.

Though I would say "No!" Means "No!" Even if one wished to have sex, but was to say no to it, I'd still say mentally it is rape to the both of them. For if the rapist gave some forced sex knowing that the other did not want it at that time for any given reason, it is rape by that one who did the deed. And it still would be rape to the victim, for even if the individual maybe open to having sex, did not want it that way, nor with that person at that time, so it would be rape for that person as well.

Yes, it might be hard for some to think of such as rape, if the rapist knew the one he was forcing himself upon was only having some trepidation over having sex will not do it over some fear of it. Still, at that point, I'd still call it rape.

Now with one who was at a point where one may fantasies over being raped. You are right, that person may actually be into it, and put the situation into a gray area. As far as it being thought of as being wrong or right.

There is another side to art and stories having rape in it. And that is not for the sake of making something to jerk off to, but to create an image of horror instead. I did that once. I posed a story with rape in it, but not to get off on, but as something scary, and something to make one feel some sorrow for the victim. It was meant to bee seen as sad, not sexually exciting.

Though everybody will see it their own way, no matter what the artist and/or writer intends their works to be seen as.

Now, realistically yes, I would say most who do post rape, likely has a fetish for it. I do, to a point. Both as a victim and rapist. But that is just fantasy to me. A real rapist, in my opinion needs to be, Oh' I don't know, shot in the head. I don't care what some do for fantasy sake, but to go out and do harm to others for real, for such selfish reasons as just getting some, needs a head check, possibly with a bullet.

Now I have said this to another, and I will say it here. I think it is great! If one does not have the stomach for so much as seeing rape in artwork as Ero states for himself as. That is not a bad thing at all to me. Only telling others not to make such art at all, is what I would have a problem with. But if one doesn't so much like the idea of rape, and will have nothing to do with it personally, is cool in my book.

The most I get form this post by Ero, is he is not one to suggest anything that may have any rape in it to him. And I can respect that. And it is all part of getting to know a person to know such tings about them. ^.^

Thank you for sharing Ero.

Oh' and you too Ramblo. Your view is just as valid to me in getting to know you more as well. ^.^

GFHCDK76

7 years, 1 month ago

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To Ero: I get what you are saying. And it is hard for one who does not see things the same as others to feel right about it. Nothing wrong with that.

As for rape as a thought others may have, I'd not say it is not normal. To me it is some very primitive and very old and selfish way of thinking, from a time many have a hard time thinking we once existed in. But in a more civilized society many of us live in now, such things are hard to think of as good, right, or normal. Because in a civilized society doing such is not good. ^.^

Much like in some places, it not right to eat a cow, in other places it's not right to eat a dog, or even a horse. Yet many do eat dogs and cows. It all depends on one's place they grew up in and was influences by the way of life there. Many may not think of it, but in religion it is said one should not eat pig, nor any bottom feeders found in the ocean. Yet, many who follow said religion still do, partly in not knowing it is a law set out in text they should be following. And I am not trying to bring religion in as something to debate about, just using that aspect of it as an example.

I'd say the desire for rape, is normal. I'd also say it is partly why there is so much about it, mostly in art, and stories. It is on the minds of far too many (even those that will not admit to it) to simply state it is just a mental hiccup. It simply has no place in a world where victimizing another for selfish reasons as wanting to get some, or a want to dominate another, is a good thing at all to be doing. Not if one is to think of oneself as a good person who cares about others.

I would say many years back when people were more, "each for themselves," living by the laws of the wild, it probably went on a lot, and was thought of as normal back then. Just as killing back then was considered just a way of life as something you just did for survival, and something to avid having done to you, again for survival.

That is my thoughts on it. ^.^

I am not trying to tell you you are wrong with the way you see it, just giving you another side of it to possibly think about.

And by no means am I trying to convince you to think art and such with any rape is something you should try to get into. Not at all. If you don't like it, it's all good.

Stay frosty.

GFHCDK76

7 years, 1 month ago

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Sorry, just one last note of something to think about.

Many (mostly openly in public) will speak out against sex itself for pleasure as a bad thing. And yet it is one of our oldest desires, and without said desire we would not likely exist.

Also said sex for pleasure many would harp on as something bad to think about publicly. Privately more than likely those same people yearns for it. For it is a natural desire. One I'd say is both normal and good to have.

Despite how many would call others out as pigs, sluts, deviants, depraved sickos who feel the want for some simple sex, I'd say are wrong to think so poorly about the want for sex itself.

Even sex, never mind the subject of rape is one many debate on as OK to want to be doing. I have seen personally how nasty some can get when they find some other person who is one who likes sex. The out right hate for the other who simply likes sex, was quite horrible to see.

We as people can get quite mixed up over even that subject alone. Rape, well, that is just another whole can of worms. ^.^

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