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Discussion: Abortion?

I've had some discussions on this website with some people... whom, as all SJW/Snow Flakes, deny reality, facts, etc. and just cover their ears and shut their eyes and hum.... and then accuse me of doing that, while accusing me of 'Hate' speech etc as if that were what the rest of us would call a PHYSICAL "assault"

SOOO!

Lets have a mature discussion here!

ABORTION!
Are you PRO Abortions, or AGAINST Abortions? Why or Why Not?

NOTE: Posting here means you will probably be engaged regardless of what side you view.. ya know, like mature adults. Sorry Berkeley...

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ElfenSciuridae

7 years, 2 months ago

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Though I was almost an aborted baby, I am Pro Life Abortion. It is a tricky line to tread on. I'm not into abortions for convenience but I am if it is necessary. That is a very thin line to determine and everyone has to determine that line for themselves.

Pro for the reasons hereof:

- If the woman is going to get it, she's going to get it no matter what. Look how many women were getting abortions before it became lawful, and how may of them survived. Making it legal ended these "Bath Tub & Coat Hanger" abortions that killed so many women for the sake of "convenience."

- There are cases where it is medically needed, including health/age of the mother, incest and rape. No woman should be allowed to carry a child that was forced upon her.

- In the very least abortion clinics do offer prenatal care. That is a major plus. If the mother is found to have an underlying condition that the abortion can harm or kill her, it is put on pause to the pregnancy, so she can be given medical care first and the abortion later.

CrystalMendrilia

7 years, 2 months ago

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@ ElfenSciuridae

ONE of the things I always found fascinating is that Anti Abortionists really care about the child until it is born...

Timer

7 years, 2 months ago

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Well, here's a dangerous thing to jump into.

I take a very practical approach.  What I consider the safest stance.  Maybe not politically, but for my own well being.  I think abortion is wrong in all cases.  Sure, someone can come up with a case where the mother's life is in horrible danger and I guess we could make a rare exception, but we all know that's not the norm.

When two people share their genetic material and against all odds the sperm meets the egg, something new is created.  So much more than just the potential for a human being 9 months down the line.  This very specific genetic combination will never ever happen again, and has never happened before.  Even if the same mother and father spend the rest of their lives trying they will never make another one just like that one.  In the same way we have an obligation to protect endangered species because once they're gone, they're gone forever, we also have an obligation to what we create.  Intended or not.  Wanted or not.  It's something absolutely unique and it's worth protecting.

And we all know the chances it has are bad enough without us getting in the way.

CrystalMendrilia

7 years, 2 months ago

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@ Timer

"Sure, someone can come up with a case where the mother's life is in horrible danger and I guess we could make a rare exception, but we all know that's not the norm.  "

NOT ALL!!!!!  (joking) hehehe, see you're treating this like an adult, and I appreciate you 'more' for that. I have not read the rest of your post yet.... I just wanted to make that fact clear!  :)

"And we all know the chances it has are bad enough without us getting in the way."

Wow!  you are the FIRST person I've seen make the argument of Biology like that. :p   Well done

But you must understand then, by accepting the reality of genetic make up, that so many fertilized eggs are 'naturally' aborted again, without us getting in the way. So is it 'so bad' that sometimes, selective breeding occurs I.E. 'we get in the way' of one of the few not naturally aborted?

Timer

7 years, 2 months ago

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@ CrystalMendrilia

Maybe not ALL of us.

I mean, technically any time a woman conceives a child she's putting her life in mortal danger.  What the mother's body does for the benefit of the fetus is nothing short of shocking.  The lungs and the heart are pushed out of position, nutrition is routed to the fetus, often to the detriment of the mother.  She may experience bone and muscle loss.  Not to mention the actual birthing of the child.  But this is what we are.  This is how we exist.  I don't think that alone justifies abortion.

When you think about each one of us, what happened from the dawn of mankind up to us as an individual.  That everything had to happen as it happened or else we wouldn't even be here.  The idea that it can be willfully ended seem like cheating our humanity.  Against all odds you happened, to deny that opportunity to someone else is a staggering responsibility.  Sure, the world is full of people, but it's not full of you.  You are the only you history will ever know.  Yes, abortions happen naturally.  People also die naturally.  That doesn't cheapen our worth.  Quite the opposite.

I think the best way to look at it is from a biological standpoint coupled with our humanity.  We're more than just animals who's population must be managed.  We're individuals with unique hopes, dreams, desires, etc.  We all have something to offer each other.  We should welcome each new individual into our fold without judging their worth against our own first.

CrystalMendrilia

7 years, 2 months ago

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@ Timer

I think you want, abortions, when you want them... and not having an abortion, is when you don't want one.... Right?

Timer

7 years, 2 months ago

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@ CrystalMendrilia

No. I don't want any abortions at all. My whole point is we don't have the right to choose since each person that might be born is valuable. A conception isn't a guarantee of life, but we owe it the best shot it has.

I'm only allowing that it might be necessary in extreme cases. Even then I'm not wholly on board.

GreenReaper

7 years, 2 months ago

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Abortions for some, miniature American flags for others!

Honestly, the world has enough babies. Better to spend time and money on bringing up those who are wanted than those who aren't.

CrystalMendrilia

7 years, 2 months ago

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@ GreenReaper

Are you DARING to suggest that once a child is born they should matter instead of, they should matter before they are born?! O_o!

GreenReaper

7 years, 2 months ago

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@ CrystalMendrilia

Who dares wins!

CrystalMendrilia

7 years, 2 months ago

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@ GreenReaper

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3h3dc5

jasperfox

7 years, 2 months ago

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I think it comes down to is it murder or not,
That could only be determined scientifically.
if you have
something not considered a human, then aborting it would
be like scratching skin cells, or wearing a condom and tossing it
after sex, these things obviously aren't children.

But when does it become a sentient human,
I would think first it would have to be fully developed,
After that, I guess it doesn't matter if it's inside or outside the
mother, it's a human.
It would then be murder, I think, in the strict definition.
My opinion is ethically the threshold of murder shouldn't be crossed,
whever it is.

An interesting side point, though, many countries citizens seem
to have gotten carried away with all this birth control, this is becoming
highlighted with the European migrant disaster, where many radical
muslims have even mentioned their observations that the native population
is dying out, and weak. Another example is India's lack of girl children, and China's aging
population.
People should not start families to support their nation, that's not why
you have kids, but on the other hand people should think if everyone is just having
sex for fun, and hardly anyone produces a child, you will exterminate your own culture
over time.

The only other concern I have with abortion or any birth control is when
crazy people hijack it for eugenics, that stuffs real scary.

Timer

7 years, 2 months ago

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@ jasperfox

I think there's a difference between the cells scratched off your scalp, the seed spilled on the floor, and what happens at conception.  The cells taken off your skin and the sperm in a condom have no potential to be anything else.  If left alone they will simply continue to be what they are.  At conception something different happens.  Something new and unique.  A specific genetic combination that has never existed before is created.  Is it a person?  Is it human?  No, but it's a possibility of a person who is completely different from every other person in the world, and every person that will ever exist.  It has real value beyond some discarded cells.

A very compelling argument can be made that a child as it is born is not a human at all, at the very least, not sentient.  It has no self awareness.  It has no concept of anything beyond the most basic of needs.  It's intelligence is nearly nonexistent.  In a sense it's still just a ball of cells.  It just happens to be shaped like something we recognize.  Still, we protect this thankless mass of flesh.  Why?  Because we can see the potential it has.

Does that potential start because it was born?  Or does it start because it was conceived?

jasperfox

7 years, 2 months ago

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@ Timer

Yeah I see what your saying.
The whole topic tends to be kind of sticky ethically.
My humble opinion is that there is a place for abortion in our
society, but it should be somewhat limited.
Not just with the timing, but with who's paying for them, preventing abuse of
subsidies if government funded, (abortion is a last resort, there shouldn't be people
getting like 9 of them in a few years.)
And of course the respect of people's right not paying for them if it isn't compatible for their beliefs,
Because forcing anyone to do anything is a slippery slope.

CrystalMendrilia

6 years, 10 months ago

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@ jasperfox

I feel compelled to point out, a condom isn't very expensive.

jasperfox

6 years, 9 months ago

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@ CrystalMendrilia

True,

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